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Posted: 12 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: mandygill

thx a million hotdogg for the effort u made in collecting that info! i didn't know much about what system exists in india, its actually digitization abroad of which i only knew that we have a cable box! thanks again..phew! a lot of typing for u eh!



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Posted: 12 years ago
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What a post this has become. @hotdogg, you have shared so much information about TRP with us. Never knew about it so much. Thanks. All the others as well, interesting conversation and questions. Was a delight to read. @hotdogg, I was actually going to ask do you have any connection with the TV industry or do you work with any of the channels 😊 I read you don't but your knowledge about it astonishes me.
Arshi, I read your comment about wanting the same ending for SC. if it was a movie I would not have minded it, but as a TV show I want it to be "abh poori hogi mohabbat ki adoori dastaan". When you see a movie you don't get attached to the characters, you just come out thinking their acting was good. But when we watch it as a show, the characters after some time become almost part of our daily life and watching a sad ending for them is bit difficult for majority of the viewers. SLB should keep up with the original but I want the ending to be changed according to the 21s century. We are not still in that age where a widow shouldn't remarry, that would be so against SLB. Anyway ending is far, so we will enjoy episode at a time. You have put up a great post as usual Arshi, thanks. We will be soon opening a blog for you on SC and become members. 😉
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Posted: 12 years ago
#63
There went lots of discussion as we had been out on week end. Just got a window and there is lots of fodder here! Quick response...😊
Hotdogg and arshicritic great inputs, will try to respond individually...
Hotdogg, as usual, it's a treat to learn about such a complex marketing system in your typically lucid style that makes the complexities such easier to approach for a layman like me.
Though one point I missed. You wrote about DD's rating system. But what about DD's direct share in securing the broadcast rights? Would channel SP not have a decreased input cost for its ROI model with that share?
I agree completely about your views on the end, even accounting 'preservation of the essence' angle...I wud write my impressions...

Edited by smrth - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: hotdogg



dunno...i am kind of agreeing with @smrth on this one.. would like to have the better ending...

consider the Romeo & Juliet example, while we know the end, it comes quickly at the end in the last scene...

what limited info I have of the SC story ...it is almost like death through a thousand cuts...my friends tell me it is one awful thing after another for kumud...unrelenting waves of tragedy...which starts at the same time as we are now...in the novel too SC meets her once and they confesses their love...when he returns back the sh*t hits the fan...and in the long run everyone fails her in her time of need...

it seems the author had set the novel in the 18th-19th century when India was still governed by stiffling tabboos, rigid societal norms etc...he has made kumud's character as the proverbial scapegoat on whom tragey is constantly brought upon and in whose helplessness he tries to make a point about the ruinous nature of a particular societal norm...and net net the pain is more than the love...

so either you make a period drama which sets the right context...any other adaptation (like this version) and a TV show in this century will need an adaptation of the end...and why can't an adaptation be a reinterpretation for these times? (Just look at Quentin Tranatinos Inglourius Basterds or Django Unchained)


@ arshicritic, hotdogg or all who are rooting for 'preservation'.
A personal take on why an improved ending is a case here. Though I would have liked to take up this topic at some later date, in a more specific discussion, since here it's discussed as part of TRP affecting discussion, I wud share my impressions which are deriving from the treatments delivered in line with the above.i Had noticed these 'failed' relations much earlier than serial, and am questioning about these 'failures' frequently in forum too...


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hotdogg, Whoever gave you these informations on Kumud is spot on. The character is constantly degraded and demeaned in her marital life. The onus was on two men in her life; SC and her father. First SC, who fled away literally in mid of night, despite explicit warning ( by his wise friend) about huge injustice to his beloved fiancee and a calamity that would befall her. By this time, love was full bloomed. They had fallen head over heel for each other during his first visit to RN after the engagement. This, he disregards in a fit of renouncing the world over a fight with his father ( instigated by Gumaan and her brother). And then SC sends her 'a withdrawal/ rejection' letter (it was then), telling her to get married elsewhere! (Actually a beautiful poem, " priya ramya vibhavari.."🤢)...What followed was a 'life time' guilt trip for the 'Hero'...In disguise as Navinchandra, He witnesses even her ruinous degradation in the hands of her philanderer husband. Her abject disintegration...Previously VC got panicked ( broken engagement was a serious social stigma then) and hurriedly married her off to a complete mismatch...aim of recounting this sequence here is twofold; 1) which audience wud like to watch such failures by two supposedly sound characters and boost TRPs? 2) which kind of deification/'bitter sweet' pain wud now be attributed to such failed relations? 😕
In fact we already saw two huge deviations from the story line, to make Hero palatable and to remove some wimpy feet from him. They have introduced 'insecurity fed' superstition accruing from mother's suicide and Dukhbaa- LN tiff. None of these exist in Novel. Chandra Laxmi (not 'Saraswati') died natural death. SC has no superstition. And Dukhbaa never even knew LN or SC. A much minor character (for two three pages), she was long gone before SC even visited RN first time...I have no objection to such improvisations. SC in the serial is much more attractive and rationalised. But, if such 'deviations' from the original is not affecting the 'essence' of the original, then why would a most imperative correction in the 'end' do?...
Add to this, even more horrifying reason that has been advanced in the end to settle him with Kusum, or rather not writing him down with Kumud. Let me tell you there is no 'bitter sweet' epiphany in there. There was pure orthodoxy. Even more unreasonable in writing a hero, originally responsible for the ruin, accepting a substitute sister while heroine was almost ready (she WAS in her first take, before 'recomposing' herself for nun-hood) to realign her life with him! Only Author's one track 'sanatan Brahmin' mind was dead set against this, " Hindu aryanari once married, never takes second husband'! Never mind that dead philanderer husband had multiple affairs. Or a 'pure' hero can accept another sister! The 'epic' indeed!🤢
Edited by smrth - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: smrth

Hotdogg, Whoever gave you this informations on Kumud is spot on. The character is constantly degraded and demeaned in her marital life. The onus was on two men in her life. First SC, who flee away literally in mid of night, despite explicit warning ( by his wise friend) about huge injustice to his beloved fiancee and a calamity that would befall her. By this time, love was full bloomed. They had fallen head over heel for each other during his first visit to RN after the engagement. This, he disregards in a fit of renouncing the world over a fight with his father ( instigated by Gumaan and her brother). And then SC sends her 'a withdrawal/ rejection' letter (it was then), telling her to get married elsewhere! (Actually a beautiful poem, " priya ramya vibhavari.."🤢)...What followed was a 'life time' guilt trip for the 'Hero'...In disguise as Navinchandra, He witnesses even her ruinous degradation by hands of her philanderer husband. Her abject disintegration...Previously VC had got panicked ( broken engagement was a serious social stigma then) and hurriedly married her to a complete mismatch...aim of recounting this sequence here is twofold; 1) which audience wud like to watch such failures by two supposedly sound characters and boost TRPs? 2) which kind of deification/'bitter sweet' pain wud now be attributed to such failed relations? 😕

In fact we already saw two huge deviations from the story line, to make Hero palatable and to remove some wimpy feet from the him. They have introduced 'insecurity fed' superstition accruing from mother's suicide and Dukhbaa- LN tiff. None of these exist in Novel. Chandra Laxmi (not 'Saraswati') died natural death. SC has no superstition. And Dukhbaa never even knew LN or SC. A much minor character (for two three pages), she was long gone before SC even visited RN first time...I have no objection to such improvisations. SC in the serial is much more attractive and rationalised. But, if such 'deviations' from the original is not affecting the 'essence' of the original, then why would a most imperative correction in the 'end' do?...
Add to this, even more horrifying reason that has been advanced to settle him with Kusum, or rather not writing him down with Kumud. Let me tell you there is no 'bitter sweet' epiphany in there. There was pure orthodoxy, even more unreasonable in writing a hero, originally responsible for the ruin, accepting a substitute sister while heroine was almost ready (she was in her first take, before 'recomposing' herself for nun-hood) to realign her life with him! Author's one track 'sanatan Brahmin' mind was set on this, " Hindu aryanari once married, never takes second husband'! Never mind that dead philanderer husband had multiple affairs. Or a 'pure' hero can accept another sister! The 'epic' indeed!🤢


Hmm, I can see that today if SC was to be made as is, it would be unacceptable to all of us, for we just won't be able to relate to Saras, and nor to Kumud.

I don't remember too much about the movie, having seen some bits and pieces, just remember the garba of bhool chali babul ka des, and nothing much before or after. I tried to look for it on YouTube but the links were not working.

Yes, I agree a Saras who is weak and wimpy, and Kumud who is the self sacrificing and suffering will not work.

But then it comes down to the need for then making a story which is not relatable.

Why make SC at all? What of the purity of adhering to the story? How much liberty can you take with the original and still call it a remake?

I think Samarth, you are right, we need to discuss this issue as distinct from the TRP issue.

Lets park all these for now, but i am sure all of us would like to debate and discuss this.




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Posted: 12 years ago
#67

Originally posted by: kaadal

What a post this has become. @hotdogg, you have shared so much information about TRP with us. Never knew about it so much. Thanks. All the others as well, interesting conversation and questions. Was a delight to read. @hotdogg, I was actually going to ask do you have any connection with the TV industry or do you work with any of the channels 😊 I read you don't but your knowledge about it astonishes me.

Arshi, I read your comment about wanting the same ending for SC. if it was a movie I would not have minded it, but as a TV show I want it to be "abh poori hogi mohabbat ki adoori dastaan". When you see a movie you don't get attached to the characters, you just come out thinking their acting was good. But when we watch it as a show, the characters after some time become almost part of our daily life and watching a sad ending for them is bit difficult for majority of the viewers. SLB should keep up with the original but I want the ending to be changed according to the 21s century. We are not still in that age where a widow shouldn't remarry, that would be so against SLB. Anyway ending is far, so we will enjoy episode at a time. You have put up a great post as usual Arshi, thanks. We will be soon opening a blog for you on SC and become members. 😉


Yes, Kaadal, hotdogg, has really given a lot of insight into TRP and its mechanisms. It was really educative!

As for same or different ending, lets take that up as a discussion on the creative license available to anyone wanting to re-make.

That SC in order to succeed will need to be modified and altered seems to be a logical conclusion for now.
Edited by arshicritic - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: SARUNBST

vry well written 😊


So true, it is really very informative
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Posted: 12 years ago
#69

Originally posted by: jyothi-m

I am sure they will change the script according to the TRP.SLB knows this is not movie this is TV show if he wants to see his show for longer time then he has to change script.No one likes tragedy.He may bring some twist and turns that will give some turns to TRP also.Hope there will be rise in trp by next week.After IPL we can see the trp.


True Jyothi, IPL too maybe a contributing factor to low TRPs, and lets hope for better TRPs
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@smrth, thanks for this info about the original novel. All I knew was they get separated because of the step mom and she gets tricked to marry someone else, but SC spends his life being dedicated to her and her family. But after reading what you have written, I hope SLB doesn't go down the same lane. Now I understand more clearly the categories who stay away from this show.
1) the people who didn't even want to try seeing it, who might have read the book
2) the purists who read the book and can't accept the new changes in the character
3) those who know the story and think SLB always stuck to the storyline.

Now the only left are the people who are ready to see anything happen on the show or people unaware of the book or the story just enjoying a good show by SLB. No wonder the count is less. After reading this info I think I would enjoy SLB's version rather than him sticking to the novel. I wish he hadn't advertised the show as a remake of the book, but a remake can be made differently with the base being the novel. Yeah as for how much liberty we can take remaking an original, I am not sure. But as far as the story is concerned it was an ancient novel based on the social norms of that period. A story can't be made in this century with the same so how can it adhere to the original. I am sure SLB would have thought about it before starting off this project, so we will see how it goes.

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