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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Marybarton



I think we are just seeing it differently, so I don't expect you to agree but I will explain from my point of view.

I am no millionaire but I know some who don't have their nose up in the air. I went to a rival school of Harvard's and don't think either I or any of my friends are above a real prayaschit like the villagers subscribed to him because of the crime they thought he committed. They did not know he was so educated or rich, a wrong doing is just that, doesn't matter who does it. Kind of like why we should ask for pardon for a particular actor's jail sentence just because he's famous and special. They did not know it was an accident because Yash ran from there and Saras took the blame because he didn't want Yash to risk his mom. The most important thing here is that Saras is making this sacrifice because he understands the value of a mother having lost his.

The punishment is a spiritual one to teach the wrongdoer some humility and modesty. Hard work and labor can teach a person to walk in Ilaben's shoes to see the hunger and pain she will now suffer. I don't think Saras is above it because he's rich and educated. He does not think so either, given that he's a spiritual man. It is afterall the Gandhian way, isn't it?


@ Marybarton - Very well explained !! Law is same for everyone whether he is harvard educated businessman or any regular person walking on the street. Prayaschit is not same as punishment.. it has a more spiritual meaning.. Like Saras said..paying back the money will not lessen the hurt or erase the scars from their heart.. This show is very unique in the sense that it has the old values and morals which are still upheld and have so much to learn from..even in todays generation where a guy is educated from Harvard knows about ''gau dhan'' ..he took the punishment because he didnt want Yash to risk his mother's life by swearing on her..coz he was lying.. there is so much to learn.. Its not the setting, backdrop or which era the story is being told in..its the message that comes across.. People still watch Ramayan and Mahabharat and can still relate to the incidents..why? Times have changed but the basic morals and principles.. something as simple as a son respecting his mother..girl standing up for truth..these things will always remain inspirational and good to watch..
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Marybarton



I think we are just seeing it differently, so I don't expect you to agree but I will explain from my point of view.

I am no millionaire but I know some who don't have their nose up in the air. I went to a rival school of Harvard's and don't think either I or any of my friends are above a real prayaschit like the villagers subscribed to him because of the crime they thought he committed. They did not know he was so educated or rich, a wrong doing is just that, doesn't matter who does it. Kind of like why we should ask for pardon for a particular actor's jail sentence just because he's famous and special. They did not know it was an accident because Yash ran from there and Saras took the blame because he didn't want Yash to risk his mom. The most important thing here is that Saras is making this sacrifice because he understands the value of a mother having lost his.

The punishment is a spiritual one to teach the wrongdoer some humility and modesty. Hard work and labor can teach a person to walk in Ilaben's shoes to see the hunger and pain she will now suffer. I don't think Saras is above it because he's rich and educated. He does not think so either, given that he's a spiritual man. It is afterall the Gandhian way, isn't it?


We can try to rationalize and justify, but it is not convincing for me

While it made sense in the 1971 movie Dushman, due to way it unfolded, here it doesn't

And he is humble and modest, he sees the error of his ways

As a just and rational man he should realize that yash needs to see the error of his ways, his penance will let yash go scot free and commit more such crimes.

His penance will appease kusum, but the issue is the widow and her life, the issue is for yash to see the error of his ways

We are all missing that real justice is not being done, because Saras is not thinking beyond his issues with kumud
The serial shows the entire village and its elders as bigoted and narrow minded, I work a lot with villages on education related issues, and my reality is quite different from what is shown here
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: arshicritic


We can try to rationalize and justify, but it is not convincing for me

While it made sense in the 1971 movie Dushman, due to way it unfolded, here it doesn't

And he is humble and modest, he sees the error of his ways

As a just and rational man he should realize that yash needs to see the error of his ways, his penance will let yash go scot free and commit more such crimes.

His penance will appease kusum, but the issue is the widow and her life, the issue is for yash to see the error of his ways

We are all missing that real justice is not being done, because Saras is not thinking beyond his issues with kumud
The serial shows the entire village and its elders as bigoted and narrow minded, I work a lot with villages on education related issues, and my reality is quite different from what is shown here



i am going to repeat myself again to get the point.
"Kumud is born in a middle class family and is based in a small backward village of Gujarat. She is a girl of 'today' and considering the circumstances of her birth, she is way ahead of the times in her little backward village. " so it's perfectly natural to behave like that. as for saras, although he may be harvard graduate in the 21st century, he still follows the traditions and values which his mother taught him. buying a cow with his money is nothing for him, but the priest told him to stay and work in that woman's house to repay her. he is following his words. as we know saras is selfless and he respects his mother a lot. he only saved yash because he doesn't want yash to make false promise on his mum.
i don't know whether you know this but certain villages in india do follow old traditions and customs. not narrow minded but they value their custom and tradition very much.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Diamond_14



i am going to repeat myself again to get the point.
"Kumud is born in a middle class family and is based in a small backward village of Gujarat. She is a girl of 'today' and considering the circumstances of her birth, she is way ahead of the times in her little backward village. " so it's perfectly natural to behave like that. as for saras, although he may be harvard graduate in the 21st century, he still follows the traditions and values which his mother taught him. buying a cow with his money is nothing for him, but the priest told him to stay and work in that woman's house to repay her. he is following his words. as we know saras is selfless and he respects his mother a lot. he only saved yash because he doesn't want yash to make false promise on his mum.
i don't know whether you know this but certain villages in india do follow old traditions and customs. not narrow minded but they value their custom and tradition very much.



You have just proved my point dear

A middle class family - just look at the haveli !!

Backward village - look at her dresses

In any other backward village that was so myopic and narrow minded, she would have been lynched by now

She could fight to get internet, girls go out to work - she teaches in a school, means some of the villagers have a progressive outlook and can be made to see sense

its not rational to me, its beating the sanskar drum to get TRPs
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: arshicritic



You have just proved my point dear

A middle class family - just look at the haveli !!

Backward village - look at her dresses

In any other backward village that was so myopic and narrow minded, she would have been lynched by now

She could fight to get internet, girls go out to work - she teaches in a school, means some of the villagers have a progressive outlook and can be made to see sense

its not rational to me, its beating the sanskar drum to get TRPs




"Kumud is born in a middle class family and is based in a small backward village of Gujarat. She is a girl of 'today' and considering the circumstances of her birth, she is way ahead of the times in her little backward village. " the above quote is written on star plus website not me. kumud is woman who got her own ideologies and beliefs. villagers do oppose that but they don't do anything about it because of her family and probably the good deeds she does in the village.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: arshicritic



You have just proved my point dear

A middle class family - just look at the haveli !!

Backward village - look at her dresses

In any other backward village that was so myopic and narrow minded, she would have been lynched by now

She could fight to get internet, girls go out to work - she teaches in a school, means some of the villagers have a progressive outlook and can be made to see sense

its not rational to me, its beating the sanskar drum to get TRPs










@arshicritic- I completely agree with you. You put your points across very well. I do not live in village myself but have relatives in rural UP. people are very sensitive about cow hatya but punishments are not given like this.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Diamond_14




"Kumud is born in a middle class family and is based in a small backward
village
of Gujarat. She is a girl of 'today' and considering the
circumstances of her birth, she is way ahead of the times in her little
backward village
. " the above quote is written on star plus website not me. kumud is woman who got her own ideologies and beliefs. villagers do oppose that but they don't do anything about it because of her family and probably the good deeds she does in the village.



Let me remind of a mindset which a village would still have - of treating a damaad as a bhagwan of doing nothing to upset hiim for the fear of breaking a betis rishta. If they regard her and her family then it would extend even more to the damaad
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: svmi

@arshicritic- I completely agree with you. You put your points across very well. I do not live in village myself but have relatives in rural UP. people are very sensitive about cow hatya but punishments are not given like this.[/DIV]



Thanks dear I work a lot with villages and they are open minded and fair

The narrow minded are then so about everything not selectively
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Posted: 12 years ago
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guys this is a television serial. the villagers being narrow minded or whether saras actually went to Harvard is least of our worries.the whole point of this is a love story between kumud and saras not a love story between saras and villagers/ kumud and the villagers. this is why the show is called FICTIONAL.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I read everyone's viewpoint. All i can say is its unvbelievable a rich harvard returned guy can be made to do pots and sell them in market and from that proceeds get a cow for them. Insteap pay the 25K buy them a cow so that they eat food everyday. That house has two girls and a child how many days can they wait for Saras to make pots. They want food everyday right?

You say this village is backward hence such saaza. In backward village unknown men(Saras) are not allowed to stay even in courtyard of another house when not related and no other man in that widows house. And if village is so backward how can kumud wear such dress to school?? Even in cities no teacher will be allowed to class in exposing dress. They will have to come in saree.
And i understand some points on Gua hatya its a sensitive issue. 100 years back in india rules applied equally to everyone rich/poor not anymore. Currently there is one rule for rich and powerful and another for poor. Saras father and VC both live in big haveli and are very rich not middle class or small house. Hence it is more unbelievable they will allow Saras to be punished like this. VC could have influenced and changed Saaza. There is something called law the panchayat is supposed to call police and court must decide saaza. Panchayat has no rights in law to give saaza like this anywhere in india where there is no appeal and panchayat word is final.
Finally VC took loan 25 years back so LNV goes to Dubai. The ticket them must have cost max 20000 Rs for 3 people along with visa 25 years back. Which money lender is that who is taking so much interest that loan is not getting over after 25 years also. 25 years back if we assume VC salary was 5K also per month and he pays 200Rs also with 20-25% per month interest the loan would have got over in around 10 years time.
Edited by myviewprem - 12 years ago

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