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Posted: 15 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: Bini311




Yeah...I wonder the same that if aalekh was a puppet? Sometimes I even wonder..who is more important to Sadi...Ragini or Aalekh?


I feel that this question does come to many minds, however, according to Sadhna's charactarization - this thought perhaps does not occur to her.
Yes, she is incapable of this thought. She is incapable of classifying her love. She probably is incapable of giving more love to someone and less to the other. She is incapable of division ...

Sadhna is capable of broadening her love. Her love grows, therefore ... she does not have to share with the love for someone else when relationships developed in her life. HER LOVE IS A LIVING LOVE ... IT GROWS ...

She loves Alekh ... She loves Mamaji ... and she loves Ragini too. Each in their own respective position. She loves them accordingly ... with respect to circumstances, her love is expressed.

Mamaji is someone who brought her up, and without Kaushi this man in his old age would loose everything. She is not only doing this for Mamaji, but also for her father and mother ... their respect ... she is paying off the blessings Mamaji bestowned on her helpless self by accepting her in the house ... she is making her dead parents proud ... So that they can keep their heads higher always ... even when all (including mamaji and sadhna) return to the Kingdom of Spirits.

Ragini is the only person who actually atleast showed some care (although Ragini's true intentions have become increasingly debatable ... however, atleast externally and relatively she accepted Sadhna more than anyone else - except Mamaji). Now, we might not realise the value of a drop of water to a thirsty traveller - months into a desert under the scorching sun. It is difficult to realise the value of that drop of water if we ourselves are not there ... THEREFORE, PERHAPS, if we try to comprehend, we will realise how much obliged Sadhna feels towards Ragini, and thus how much she always wanted (from her childhood) to fill Ragini's life with flowers and joy!!! IT BECAME SADHNA'S MISSION, HABBIT, CRAVE.... to do everything for Ragini (its nothing uncommon ... in Rajasthan - India and parts of UP ... sometimes the adopted sibling is supposed to sacrifice all to the real child ... all and everything).

I remember the movie "Dil Hai Tumhara" .... and they showed similar stuff. Its NATURAL.. but hard to comprehend for those who dont go through this thing. NATURAL ONLY FOR GOOD SOULS.

Alekh was her responsibility, and then her husband. She took care of Alekh and she systematically fell in love for him too. This love came out of CARE, LIVING-TOGETHER, OUR CULTURE TO VIEW MARRIAGE .... and the things that she actually did for Alekh's betterment. All this added up to a love. IT WAS NOT LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT. NEITHER FRIENDS AT FIRST SIGHT ... NOR CURIOSITY ... NEITHER HOPES ... NOT EVEN RESPECT AT FIRST SIGHT.

She did much for Alekh ... and wanted to spend her whole life with him. She loves him, but unlike Mamaji and Ragini - her history with Alekh is not at all fulfilling.

When I was a child in India (I left at 3 yrs age) ... I had an Aayah (special attendant, even though my whole family also attended me) ... I used to be crazy to this Aayah I am told. I used to shout and cry if anyone even raised their voice on her. I used to be always with her ... I wouldnt drink milk if she would not be given milk. IT WAS SO INTENSE PROBABLY!...But was that LOVE? ... I wonder.... its debatable ... because it didnt GROW...

Anything which doesnt grow...or dont receive proper sunlight ... eventually dies. This is the way life and anything related to life operates. I feel that love cannot be static either ...

Alekh never showed any love, instead, the first real expression in his HOSH HAWAS was that of ignorance, avoidance and often disgust. He even went ahead and blamed her for his pain, sorrows and problems. He trusted her the least ... and declared that she was his mistake, and a decision he would never have even thought to take if his circumstances were normal. IN SUCH A CASE, ALEKH REJECTED SADHNA's FIRST PROPOSAL OF LOVE ...

Marriage of Sadhna and Alekh have been very much a paper-work till now. Papers are subjective to damage, by the external and internal environments. Even a little worm with a few millimeters of length can be its greatest challenge. Without Alekh's expression ... which should be known to Sadhna ... Sadhna's motivation towards Alekh cannot be full. ITS NOT REAL.

Sadhna loves Alekh ... but her options were very clear ... There cannot be a doubt.

She has taken a bold and curageous step. If Alekh really had any true feelings for Sadhna, he should've listened to her. IN NO WAY, even a mad man ...would leave his LOVE without trying to proove her correct. And even if she is incorrect .. how often have we seen the Majnus die on Laila's doorstep? ... WHEREAS HERE, SADHNA CAN DIE ANYTIME FOR HIM. SHE DID ALMOST...WHEN SHE GOT SHOT.

A husband-wif relationship is one of great trust and understanding. If it can be said that this relationship has not yet develped between them ... then the question arises "Have love flourished?" ... if the answer is "From Sadhna's side, there have been honest tries" .. then the remaining story should solve remaining curiosities.

Edited by Ice-Thinker - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#72

Originally posted by: Ice-Thinker


I feel that this question does come to many minds, however, according to Sadhna's charactarization - this thought perhaps does not occur to her.
Yes, she is incapable of this thought. She is incapable of classifying her love. She probably is incapable of giving more love to someone and less to the other. She is incapable of division ...

Sadhna is capable of broadening her love. Her love grows, therefore ... she does not have to share with the love for someone else when relationships developed in her life. HER LOVE IS A LIVING LOVE ... IT GROWS ...

She loves Alekh ... She loves Mamaji ... and she loves Ragini too. Each in their own respective position. She loves them accordingly ... with respect to circumstances, her love is expressed.

Mamaji is someone who brought her up, and without Kaushi this man in his old age would loose everything. She is not only doing this for Mamaji, but also for her father and mother ... their respect ... she is paying off the blessings Mamaji bestowned on her helpless self by accepting her in the house ... she is making her dead parents proud ... So that they can keep their heads higher always ... even when all (including mamaji and sadhna) return to the Kingdom of Spirits.

Ragini is the only person who actually atleast showed some care (although Ragini's true intentions have become increasingly debatable ... however, atleast externally and relatively she accepted Sadhna more than anyone else - except Mamaji). Now, we might not realise the value of a drop of water to a thirsty traveller - months into a desert under the scorching sun. It is difficult to realise the value of that drop of water if we ourselves are not there ... THEREFORE, PERHAPS, if we try to comprehend, we will realise how much obliged Sadhna feels towards Ragini, and thus how much she always wanted (from her childhood) to fill Ragini's life with flowers and joy!!! IT BECAME SADHNA'S MISSION, HABBIT, CRAVE.... to do everything for Ragini (its nothing uncommon ... in Rajasthan - India and parts of UP ... sometimes the adopted sibling is supposed to sacrifice all to the real child ... all and everything).

I remember the movie "Dil Hai Tumhara" .... and they showed similar stuff. Its NATURAL.. but hard to comprehend for those who dont go through this thing. NATURAL ONLY FOR GOOD SOULS.

Alekh was her responsibility, and then her husband. She took care of Alekh and she systematically fell in love for him too. This love came out of CARE, LIVING-TOGETHER, OUR CULTURE TO VIEW MARRIAGE .... and the things that she actually did for Alekh's betterment. All this added up to a love. IT WAS NOT LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT. NEITHER FRIENDS AT FIRST SIGHT ... NOR CURIOSITY ... NEITHER HOPES ... NOT EVEN RESPECT AT FIRST SIGHT.

She did much for Alekh ... and wanted to spend her whole life with him. She loves him, but unlike Mamaji and Ragini - her history with Alekh is not at all fulfilling.

When I was a child in India (I left at 3 yrs age) ... I had an Aayah (special attendant, even though my whole family also attended me) ... I used to be crazy to this Aayah I am told. I used to shout and cry if anyone even raised their voice on her. I used to be always with her ... I wouldnt drink milk if she would not be given milk. IT WAS SO INTENSE PROBABLY!...But was that LOVE? ... I wonder.... its debatable ... because it didnt GROW...

Anything which doesnt grow...or dont receive proper sunlight ... eventually dies. This is the way life and anything related to life operates. I feel that love cannot be static either ...

Alekh never showed any love, instead, the first real expression in his HOSH HAWAS was that of ignorance, avoidance and often disgust. He even went ahead and blamed her for his pain, sorrows and problems. He trusted her the least ... and declared that she was his mistake, and a decision he would never have even thought to take if his circumstances were normal. IN SUCH A CASE, ALEKH REJECTED SADHNA's FIRST PROPOSAL OF LOVE ...

Marriage of Sadhna and Alekh have been very much a paper-work till now. Papers are subjective to damage, by the external and internal environments. Even a little worm with a few millimeters of length can be its greatest challenge. Without Alekh's expression ... which should be known to Sadhna ... Sadhna's motivation towards Alekh cannot be full. ITS NOT REAL.

Sadhna loves Alekh ... but her options were very clear ... There cannot be a doubt.

She has taken a bold and curageous step. If Alekh really had any true feelings for Sadhna, he should've listened to her. IN NO WAY, even a mad man ...would leave his LOVE without trying to proove her correct. And even if she is incorrect .. how often have we seen the Majnus die on Laila's doorstep? ... WHEREAS HERE, SADHNA CAN DIE ANYTIME FOR HIM. SHE DID ALMOST...WHEN SHE GOT SHOT.

A husband-wif relationship is one of great trust and understanding. If it can be said that this relationship has not yet develped between them ... then the question arises "Have love flourished?" ... if the answer is "From Sadhna's side, there have been honest tries" .. then the remaining story should solve remaining curiosities.



But why is Sadhana crying for Alekh ? Even after losing the competition she could have asked Ranveer or Ragini for help, instead of taking help from Vasu. Whats so special about Vasu and her deal ?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@ICE THINKER, hats off to you, you have given full life to Sadhana's character.
@Anu, I feel Sadhana feels so indebted to the people who gave her shelter , she can sacrifice herself completely if required , just to keep them happy.
She had to get the money, it was her responsibility, how could she ask somebody else?, even it was Ranveer .Ragini at this point would have been out of qs. with venom spitting all over from her mouth.
Even if she had asked Ranveer, what would Alekh think, Mamaji think?
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Posted: 15 years ago
#74

Originally posted by: --Anu--



But why is Sadhana crying for Alekh ? Even after losing the competition she could have asked Ranveer or Ragini for help, instead of taking help from Vasu. Whats so special about Vasu and her deal ?

1. Mamaji and his swabhimaan is special about a deal ...
In our Indian Heritage, it is not at all considered acceptable to take money from your Damaad. Sadhna has taken the money from Vasu on EQUAL terms.

Mamaji almost had a heart attack when he knew about Ranvir paying the debt he had... remember??? Even though Ranvir's intentions were pure, Mamaji is just not the man who would feel content with that money.

Its true that Mamaji would not be happy with this money either, but its not hurting his swabhimaan, but just hurting his feelings for Sadhna. Which is very different if we try to think about it from Mamaji's perspective. And obviously, Sadhna's main concern for whatever she has done for Sharma's have been either Mamaji or Ragini. ... Sometimes our TODAY is so close to us that we miss the background of YESTERDAY from where it came from. Mamaji is not at all comfortable with the idea of DAAN-KHAIRAAT from his daughter's sasuraal. THIS IS VERY DEBATABLE ... ON WHETHER HE SHOULD BE OK WITH IT OR NOT. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, ITS THE WORSE THING HE FEELS TO HAPPEN TO HIM, DUE TO WHICH HE ALMOST HAD A HEART-ATTACK IN THE ENTIRE SERIAL (since the time I have been watching it atleast).

Another reason can be that if she would inform Ragini, it would upset her further (which is also debatable to many fans ... in both PRO and CON groups ... but thinking from Sadhna's perspective here ... a prediction which may have flaws ... PREDICTIONS such as people's feelings and reactions are supposed to have a 50% probability of moving either side).

Its not about Sadhna's maan or apmaan ... she never cared about that. She doesnt give so much weight on this Mortal World. But for her, Mamaji is that PRAKASH CHAND for whom God sent this blessing 😊. Remember, my story about the child and the cave?... ... However, for the realists here ... She needs to care for this Mamaji for the sake of the respect of her parents soul, and his contributions to her in providing shelter and leading a respectable life.

The world is a very painful place, and women in our country are often the first to be the victim of injustice. Mamaji have saved Sadhna ... and not only Sadhna ... but her Parents respect too in their Eternal Dwelling. They can atleast be assured that Sadhna is safe.

These things are important aspects of Sadhna and her life. Do give these things a deeper thought ... 😊

2. She cries because her heart wishes and hopes for Alekh. She dreamt for him. First time she wishes for a man, and that man being Alekh. But how often do all our wishes come true?
Will her wish come true? 😔 ... lets wait and watch.
Edited by Ice-Thinker - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#75
They have just turned her character into a total vamp for me.
It is not a bad idea to experiment human behavior, but don't make a character go so low that it becomes hard to redeem his or her character.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rarewatcher

@ICE THINKER, hats off to you, you have given full life to Sadhana's character.
@Anu, I feel Sadhana feels so indebted to the people who gave her shelter , she can sacrifice herself completely if required , just to keep them happy.
She had to get the money, it was her responsibility, how could she ask somebody else?, even it was Ranveer .Ragini at this point would have been out of qs. with venom spitting all over from her mouth.
Even if she had asked Ranveer, what would Alekh think, Mamaji think?



You are right. Sadhana feels so indebted to Sharma family, so she can sacrifice her life for them. But her thinking is wrong. She has done enough for them already and its high time that she comes out of this mode and live her own life.

@bold : What would Alekh and Mamaji think now when they come to know that she took money from Vasu for signing the papers ?
Edited by --Anu-- - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#77
@Anu:

Well I can get what you are thinking 😊 ...

But, wrong and right depend of circumstances ... and the interfering conditions shape circumstances...

Here Sadhna is not only helpless...but its her INERTIA ... she is moving in the same mode helplessly...

If I were Alekh, I would blank out on everything ... come to her ... ask her to sleep for sometime ... rest 😊, and then do whatever she want!....She would quickly say "I need to help him and her and them....!!" ... I would hug softly and say "Accha baba!!!... karogi!... And I will be with you 😊 ... but ab thordi der so jao!!!... aram karo ... !!! ... phir takhat ayega ... phir zyada help kar sakogi 🤗"

What I mean is ... she needs that kind of love. Poor bird ... her heart is beating HARD.... remember DB days ... she is always the first one to be blamed....whether anything happens!...

Needs SHIPLOADS OF LOVE 😊
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Well for once i think Ragini as a character is dead to us all. She needs to see the World in all its glory not black or white.
As for Mamaji and Alekh finding out about the money they may smell a rat. Mama would know hopefully where the money came from for the operation Alek who knows
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Posted: 15 years ago
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lekin apni shaadi ka sauda karna hamari Indian heritage mein nahi kaha gaya hai.
Agar mamaji ke sanskar is what Sadhna always upheld, then trading her divorce for money will never be blessed by mamaji as a sensible, sacrificial yes, but definitely not sensible.
For a married couple, saving their marriage is their biggest dharm. Aapas mein baath kar ke issues ko suljhana chahiye.
why cant these serials show strong, sensible woman who know how to manage their lives? ek ke baad ek, serials show silly, sacrificial, subversive women who cant help but be the victims. ufffff
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Originally posted by: serialjunkie

lekin apni shaadi ka sauda karna hamari Indian heritage mein nahi kaha gaya hai.

Agar mamaji ke sanskar is what Sadhna always upheld, then trading her divorce for money will never be blessed by mamaji as a sensible, sacrificial yes, but definitely not sensible.
For a married couple, saving their marriage is their biggest dharm. Aapas mein baath kar ke issues ko suljhana chahiye.
why cant these serials show strong, sensible woman who know how to manage their lives? ek ke baad ek, serials show silly, sacrificial, subversive women who cant help but be the victims. ufffff



@blue: Exactly. I agree 101%.
Edited by --Anu-- - 15 years ago

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