ughhh... please, MOVE ON from ragvir now

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khaz

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Posted: 16 years ago

#61

wow, when i posted this thread, i didn't think it would get so many replies. so good to know people are interested in what i wrote, and actually give it a listen 😊 anyways back to the topic. i didn't have a chance to read all the replies, so i'll respond to those i've read. first of all, the day when i posted this thread, i think it was on a monday, so i think the latest episode which i saw at that point in time was this past monday's episode (oct. 27th), and this was when ranveer was still confused about ragini, and all the melodramatic rhona dhona was still going on... i just got kinda' frustratred and annoyed with the whole track cause i felt it was getting too boring and stretchy. ok, so i admit, maybe i shouldn't have wrote, "move on from Ragvir" more so than "move on from rhona-dhona". i really don't mind them showing ragvir, or focusing primarily on them, cause i know salekh will have their days coming soon as well, and its not like they've been completely sidelined, they're still pretty much a big part of the show, and have had many cute scenes. its just that i felt the way they were showing ragvir was getting kinda' boring, and stretchy, and not to mention painfully predicting, they needed to move on from the STORYLINE, not from ragvir. the thing with me is, go ahead, show ragvir all you want, but keep it interesting, which i didn't think they were doing. but after watching thursday's episode, i did feel their story took a turn for the better, and did seem to be getting a little interesting now, so not much complain from my part anymore, at least, for now.

~peace~

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khaz

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Posted: 16 years ago

#62

also, as for those of you who've stated that they can't show everything all at once, just wanted to let y'all know that, i never asked for that either. i know they can't show everything all at once, cause then, there would be no show. plus, i do not want that to happen either, just wanted it to get going a little faster, that's all. and after watching thursday's episode, things do seem to be back on track again.

as for those who've commented on the TRPs getting better primarily (if not completely) cause of ragvir, i think that's a pretty silly statement to make IMO. first of all, bidaai was still the #1 show back in the salekh days, and second of all, we must understand that back in the salekh days, bidaai was still fairly new, so not as many people knew about it back then as they do now, nor was the word-of-mouth back then as strong as it is now. and third of all, no show (especially a show like bidaai where it gives importance to ALL of its characters) gets bigger with just one of its characters (or i guess in this case two characters cause of ragvir). its a group effort, and frankly, i think its kinda' unfair to make such statement to the other cast members, who too have contributed to the show at large.

that's all...

~peace~

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khaz

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Posted: 16 years ago

#63

Originally posted by: *Kruthi*
I totally agree pricey... it has been WAY too long. I dont think even Salekh track took this long. They're really overdoing it with this track. The whole phone/love thing is ridiculous in the first place... its so convienient that the wrong # Ragi dialed just happened to be a young, good looking, nice guy like Ranvir instead of an old predator preying on young girls. And then to plan all these meetings with this person w/o telling anyone?? Sadhna got involved in this whole thing only cuz it was Ranvir. What if it was someone else, and Ragi never confided in Sadhna abt this nor anyone else and just went to meet him somewhere? I mean, anything could have happened... this is something that u should never do in real life, same like u shud never meet anyone in person you meet online, or even give ur personal info out. What basically I'm trying to say is, they have sent out a completely wrong message to the youth... and then encouraging them to meet in person anyone they chat with on phone. Like in Fear Factor, they cud have mentioned below after Ragvir episodes to not try this at home😆

Now, getting back to the topic... Alekh-Sadhna have been completely sidelined. Even I think now they've kind of forgotten that Alekh is not normal... but his recent behavior is anything but that. All that needs improving now is his speech, otherwise I dont see anything abnormal in him. They kind of lost focus on that in this whole RR mess, which is making Alekh's abnormality look ridiculous now.

Thanks for opening this topic pricey, I've been wanting to vent abt this for so long but never got around to do it. I really hope they end this RR track anyway they want to, but SOON. Can't take it anymore.

OMG, your first para, basically took the words out of my mouth. i couldn't have agreed more. as much as i like to say that Bidaai is a realistic show, and by far the most realistic show indian television has seen seen in a LONG time, the whole ragvir love story, even ragvir fans have to admit, is pretty far fetched. i mean, do people even have phone friends anymore in this internet day and age...? and even if they do, do they fall in love, and that too such an unconditional love, where one can't live without the other...? come on, let's be honest here, it is pretty unrealistic. also, the whole "danger" thing that's associated with it that you've mentioned kruthi, its a very valid point. i know its just a show, but there are uneducated, illiterate people out there who watch this show, and unfortunately try to imitate art into life, for those, it could prove dangerous. no person should ever decide to meet up with someone they've just talked to on the phone or the internet, cause it could cost them their lives. numerous cases have occured where girls ragini's age on the show have been preyed upon and murdered by predators online or on the phone. so be cautious, very cautious.

as for salekh being sidelined, yes they have been kruthi, but i don't think they're invaluable to the show in any way, shape, or form, even now. they still show a pretty chunk of the show on salekh, and who could forget about the whole love-confession scene that just occurred a week ago. the thing is, i don't mind them showing ragvir, just keep it interesting and not so boring and strectchy with all the formulaic rhona dhona stuff... cause let's be honest, when salekh track was going on, they hardly ever even showed ragini let alone ranveer, so its only fair that they focus more on ragvir now. and unline salekh days where ragvir was given virtually no importance, now during the ragvir days, as i've mentioned earlier, salekh are vital to the show. so as long as they keep the ragvir story interesting (which they've judging by the thursday episode), i'm satisfied. then sooner or later, we can rejoice when salekh becomes the primary focus.

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orbittle

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Posted: 16 years ago

#64

im just waiting for them to get married and then all the skeletons will come out of the closet of the rajvansh family....its so interesting how they told us little snippets of the backstories of alekh and the elder members of the family....im curious to knw what vasu did to make alekh like that (she is the antagonist so its safe to assume she had a hand in it) and then what happened to choti ma and all that....but i do love this ragvir track as well....yea its unrealistic...but that doesnt matter....besides we all need a bit of fantasy in a harsh reality....anyways theyve set up the story so nicely at this point that i dont want them to rush it too much...but i dont want them to lose momentum either...im just hoping that this whole fiasco ends by this week or by tuesday the week after...but that seems highly doubtful...we have to find vinu....ranvir has to get evidence against naveen...raginis marriage plans....mamijis consent...mamaji and vinus reunion...maltis atonement...etc etc...looking at all the stuff that needs to happen just for this one hopeful marriage...id say itd take a minimum of two weeks....but who knws...maybe theyll give into our demands =]

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deepa-

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Posted: 16 years ago

#65

I am so bored with Ragvir track. I end up falling asleep.🥱 OMG they have none chemistry - the guy looks like her little brother. How can someone take this couple seriously. 🥱

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khaz

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Posted: 16 years ago

#66

Originally posted by: deepa-
I am so bored with Ragvir track. I end up falling asleep.🥱 OMG they have none chemistry - the guy looks like her little brother. How can someone take this couple seriously. 🥱

lol. that was harsh, but funny. 😆 i do agree, they have ZERO chemistry.

~peace~

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AreYaar

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Posted: 16 years ago

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I really don't understand the argument that showing the Ragvir phone love story is a 'bad influence' on society.....that's a little far-fetched, don't you think? Yes, the falling in love part may be a little far-fetched, but I don't think it's totally unheard of in this day and age of internet matrimonial websites.

So no, it depends on each individual.....I don't find the Ragvir love story the most 'unrealistic' ever.....I find K-show love stories far more unrealistic where after two staring sessions, a couple is in love and three songs later, married to other ppl. The Ragvir story may not appeal to all, I can understand that......it has a more old-fashioned approach to love....which doesn't work for everyone....but is not unheard of, no matter how 'modern' society is today.

There is such a thing as creative liberty as it is in any fiction show obviously but I don't find it that 'unrealistic' as it seems to be to many.....and I hardly think that ppl out there will start rushing to find 'true love' on the phone just cuz they watched Ragvir do that in a show😕😆......that's like saying, "Don't show ppl stealing/committing murder in any show, cuz it will encourage crime in society'😕..

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talkativetaurus

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Posted: 16 years ago

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what i think is tht RR's track is the main theme of the shw. so even though its predictable we dont knw hw will they meet atlast. thts what is fun. almost all the soaps r nw predictable. specially love stories. 99% of the love stories have a happy ending but wht matters nw is hw they succeed. this is something to watch in bidaai which i think no other soaps can give.

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khaz

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Posted: 16 years ago

#69

Originally posted by: nureat01
I really don't understand the argument that showing the Ragvir phone love story is a 'bad influence' on society.....that's a little far-fetched, don't you think? Yes, the falling in love part may be a little far-fetched, but I don't think it's totally unheard of in this day and age of internet matrimonial websites.

So no, it depends on each individual.....I don't find the Ragvir love story the most 'unrealistic' ever.....I find K-show love stories far more unrealistic where after two staring sessions, a couple is in love and three songs later, married to other ppl. The Ragvir story may not appeal to all, I can understand that......it has a more old-fashioned approach to love....which doesn't work for everyone....but is not unheard of, no matter how 'modern' society is today.

There is such a thing as creative liberty as it is in any fiction show obviously but I don't find it that 'unrealistic' as it seems to be to many.....and I hardly think that ppl out there will start rushing to find 'true love' on the phone just cuz they watched Ragvir do that in a show😕😆......that's like saying, "Don't show ppl stealing/committing murder in any show, cuz it will encourage crime in society'😕..

well, most people know murdering and stealing is wrong, even those who do it, know it is wrong, but do it anyway. but the whole "phone-friends-then-meet-up" situation, many people find it fantasy. they can become dellusional and think they've met their prince charming on the phone, and decide to meet up with him anyways even when everyone who knows the person advises them not to. and this can occur especially to those who are uneducated or illiterate. i don't know about India, but i know in Bangladesh (where i'm from) the little, uneducated girls, who work in households as servants, who watch these shows, can be easily influenced by them. but they do know when someone's murdered or someone steals, etc. it is wrong, so they do not act upon that. however, they do fall into fanticizing about such phone friends when they're shown on TV, and can even be willing to risk their lives to meet up with such people. trust me when i say that this happens, and it is a FACT. i just came from a 2-month vacation from bang, and SEEN these things happen. now i'm not saying bidaai is becoming a bad influence to society, but it however IS sending a wrong message, you gotta admit that. as for the whole unrealistic thing, it is highly, HIGHLY unrealistic. but can it happen, of course it can happen, anything can happen... but it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY to happen, is what i'm saying. as for the matrimonial sites you mentioned; that is TOTALLY different. the matrimonial sites are DESIGNED for people to interact with one another, become friends, and if all seems well, eventually marry each other. there's also a LOT of security and safety issue that is involved with such sites, something which accidental phone friends (like in ragvir's case) or just email friends or myspace friends however, doesn't have. and the way ragvir decided to just meet up with one another... was very foolish if you ask me. but of course, it is a show afterall. but what i find so unrealistic about the ragvir love story is that how madly they have fallen in love with each other just by talking on the phone, and how "convenient" is it that it was ranveer that ragini ended up calling wrong number to. what a "coincedence" right, like the chances of that ever happening in real life... again, yes, it is possible, but highly, HIGHLY unlikely. well anyways. at the end of the day, bidaai in my opinion, is still the best indian show out there, and still the most realistic. definitely a refreshing and a nice break from all those formulaic, ridiculous kekta shows. it still can't be 100% realistic though, cause it is afterall a show, and i fully understand that. 😊

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AreYaar

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Posted: 16 years ago

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Originally posted by: pricey28

well, most people know murdering and stealing is wrong, even those who do it, know it is wrong, but do it anyway. but the whole "phone-friends-then-meet-up" situation, many people find it fantasy. they can become dellusional and think they've met their prince charming on the phone, and decide to meet up with him anyways even when everyone who knows the person advises them not to. and this can occur especially to those who are uneducated or illiterate. i don't know about India, but i know in Bangladesh (where i'm from) the little, uneducated girls, who work in households as servants, who watch these shows, can be easily influenced by them. but they do know when someone's murdered or someone steals, etc. it is wrong, so they do not act upon that. however, they do fall into fanticizing about such phone friends when they're shown on TV, and can even be willing to risk their lives to meet up with such people. trust me when i say that this happens, and it is a FACT. i just came from a 2-month vacation from bang, and SEEN these things happen. now i'm not saying bidaai is becoming a bad influence to society, but it however IS sending a wrong message, you gotta admit that. I think that just because some ppl are naive or uneducated and choose to take something shown on TV literally, doesn't mean that that stuff should stop being shown on TV.....that doesn't make the creators of a show responsible for anything.....it is the ppl in question who should be educated or ultimately learn to rise above their naivete....life teaches everyone eventually.....but I do understand your point about their being predators in society who prey on young, innocent boys/girl and so ppl should be careful about who they strike up a phone/internet friendship with.....that is a very valid point....but I don't see that to be much of a factor in the Ragvir story since this is fiction.

as for the whole unrealistic thing, it is highly, HIGHLY unrealistic. but can it happen, of course it can happen, anything can happen... but it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY to happen, is what i'm saying. as for the matrimonial sites you mentioned; that is TOTALLY different. the matrimonial sites are DESIGNED for people to interact with one another, become friends, and if all seems well, eventually marry each other. there's also a LOT of security and safety issue that is involved with such sites, something which accidental phone friends (like in ragvir's case) or just email friends or myspace friends however, doesn't have. and the way ragvir decided to just meet up with one another... was very foolish if you ask me. but of course, it is a show afterall. but what i find so unrealistic about the ragvir love story is that how madly they have fallen in love with each other just by talking on the phone, and how "convenient" is it that it was ranveer that ragini ended up calling wrong number to. what a "coincedence" right, like the chances of that ever happening in real life... Yes, it was a rare co-incidence that she just happened to dial his number....but I don't think it's that far-fetched....some things may have a one in a million probability of happpening, but that it IS still a fair probability.....wrong numbers ARE dialed in real life and while it is obviously romantic to imagine that you would meet the love of your life thru dialling a number accidentally, it is not impossible......Strange things happen when it comes to love....some things can be dismissed as the flighty imaginations of a romantic mind, but that does not mean they are impossible. Now I can understand if some ppl have reservations about how deeply they fell in love over the phone....but it can be chalked up to creative liberties in a fiction soap....

So I guess for you it is the 'highly, highly unlikely' part of Ragvir that bothers you most, while I don't find their situation quite that 'unlikely'.....again, not 100% realistic, but not THAT unlikely either.😊 Cuz frankly then, no sisters exist out there who would marry a mentally challenged man just to get their other sister married either. That is where the fiction/creative liberties of a show come in.....but I'm not going to say I mind that....cuz I really like the Saalekh track as well.....cuz of the treatment....and it is the same for the Ragvir track.....while the basic premise of the beginning of their love was a bit far-fetched, the way it has been developed is very sweet, just my opinion😊

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