What they showed about U.S. is not true!! - Page 3

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Posted: 12 years ago
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I have been reading various posts in this thread and almost everyone has added their point of view brilliantly. This is an awesome thread, something different from the usual ATs and the drool threads and such discussions are so refreshing to see at any forum. So Kudos to the topic maker for that !!

As for the topic...I have a completely different point of view and I hope it doesn't offend anyone.


I believe that there is a difference between a documentary, a chat show, a table discussion and fiction.

In Fiction, a writer deals with the characters he has created and his / her experiences which affect his life in a certain way. There comes a point in the story when the character, if he doesn't face hardships, cannot be shown vulnerable, cannot become an underdog and cannot gain audience sympathy. It is important at that point to show his hardships and struggles.

We all know that the concerns regarding security have become tighter in US, esp after 9/11...mainly regarding Asians...if they can detain SRK on airport for hours and harrass him on security reasons then, if that happened with Jai Kishan in Sanskaar, why do we raise a brow. He has lost his passport there. What does a person expect to do with an immigrant without passport ?? He wasn't harrassed without any base.

That 'does not' mean that they have show all Americans in bad light. I take it as Jai's individual experience which made the ground for him to meet Ummi and Bhoomi. I don't understand why it was found offensive ??
To show an experience by an individual on TV doesn't mean it is a Universal phenomeon...It's strictly individual. If a girl is shown getting raped in Delhi, it doesn't mean that all Delhiites are rapists, if a girl is cheated by a film producer in Mumbai doesn't mean that all Bollywood producers are same, if someone's bag is stolen in Chennai and he suffers a hardtime, how does it mean that Chennai is being shown in bad light...simple !

As for the American goons that has become a stereotype when shown in Hindi films and TV, if SRK faced such goons in Ra.One...then Kristen Stewart faces the similar goons in New Moon. It is not about Indian or American movie, it is just that some characters are shown in a particular way...you 'can' meet such goons...it is not something unusual.

I personally feel that the show talked about Jai's struggle in America, it can be a one-off case, but isn;'t totally impossible. It happens !!!! And there is nothing wrong in showing it.

And if we say that Americans and British don't do that... Trust me , I have been super pissed off at a number of Western shows and films for portrayal of Asian / American people as cheap, pushy, cheats, loud, mannerless jokers with broken pathetic English language, who are trying to 'fit-in' their country ...!! They do that too !!
A country is not racist...some of it's individuals are !! So I don't see any reason to generalise a case... A fiction is fiction and I try to see it like that.

I would have taken offence if it was shown on Discovery Channel / History or any News channel with some proofs, studies, data, analysis... but on Colors, in Sanskaar...I am a bit generous to allow those creative liberties which talk about an individual character's struggle, without taking a strong stand !!

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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Manita
superlike your post
you said everything so brilliantly and flawlessly with due respect to everyone in this discussion
I agree with you 100%
creative liberties are essential but then again there is this fact of generalisation which looms large over the entertainment industry
agar ek munni badnaam hui hit hoti hai toh thousands of movies come up with crappy songs to replicate the effect
they are too afraid to go against the tide and experiment
That is why only two such films released last year which were super entertaining but then they had a beautiful message to convey-Kahanni and Barfi
I am not saying that others were not that good but the fact is that ppl always try to show the same thing time and again like this portrayal of western people
this counter racism is very dangerous which is developing in the non priviledged countries
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Posted: 12 years ago
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This topic was made, in the light of what they showed at the airport...At that point, JK still had his documents and papers...But it was shown that he was treated badly by the customs officers...His boss was unsympathetic...People turned him away from their home etc...That is what started this whole topic...

Though we understand, after the terrorist attacks, US security will be stronger and atittudes have changed...

Many of us have said that every country has their good and bad points...Most ethnic minorities have experienced racism, at some point in their lives...But a balance should be shown on TV...I never said the UK and US media or shows were perfect...It's just seemed over the top in JK's case...

To the point that, after 15 episodes, I find myself forgetting about JK's plight and start to think... 'He is an educated person, why didn't he contact the Indian embassy/consulate in New York?...What about his rights?...Why didn't he keep xerox copies of his documents in the suitcase?...Why didn't he check his bag before leaving Bhoomi's house?...'
Anyway...I have said all I need to on this topic...I suppose like many things on TV and in films, we should all put our brains away while watching fiction😆...
Edited by The_May_Rose - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I agree with Simi di and Mani di..😊 I didn't comment before since I'm not watching the show only watching Bharti's scenes!!!

@Simi di:Agree di..😊 Television needs to show progressive things and good and bad about other countries..Seems like now show is focusing on the other part..

@Mani di: You are very right di..😊 But audience will think why they showing bad about other countries..That's what general audience think..No one think it as fiction be it a film or a soap..For example you can take the banning and controversy surrounding Kamal's movie Vishvaroopam!!!

I do watch few English series..Thankfully they didn't show anything like that about Asian!!!

The thing here in this show is they are stereotyping..

Edited by poo_j - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: The_May_Rose

Anyway...I have said all I need to on this topic...I suppose like many things on TV and in films, we should all put our brains away while watching fiction😆...

Very true May!!!😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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kash iss topic ko ek baar CVS padhe...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: DiehardYMfan

kash iss topic ko ek baar CVS padhe...


and v pass on our views to swapna mam or cv's personally by any other means for ex: fb or twitter
v can tell them about US track and yashashri's track
may or manita or simi can do this very nicely they explain things in a very good way 😊

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