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Posted: 17 years ago
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ah such is the fate of an indian serial heroine. you take all of the world's problems on your shoulders and no one ever appreciates it...but it's still all worth it just to see their happiness. i do wonder what these creatives have against showing women who have actual limits as to how much pain and humiliation they can tolerate.

the buzzword here is "endure." these shows are trying to teach us that a great indian woman is one who endures extraordinary pain and suffering with no expectations in return. as soon as you start commanding gratitude, kindness, and respect, you will cease to be a goddess.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Yes the show is called Sath Phere. One of the vows is to treat his family like her own and to help him in all the rough times. So that's what she has been doing. She's been being an example of a great daughter-in-law. That's the difference between an idealistic daughter in law and one that only thinks of her husband's family as that - just her husband's family. Yes her husband and baby should come before anyone else, but at the same time she can be that super great daughter-in-law if at the end, everything is good with her husband and her baby.

Tara is just that - an unappreciative person.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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The Saath Phere is for saath of husband primarily . The husband's family , even the children that one bear's in the marraige , come after the husband .....the bond is of two souls and the rest is the perks .
And is really everything fine with her and her baby ? She has not lost it till now by pure luck , not coz she paid attention to it . Otherwise the herculean feats that she has done r a sureshot invitation to miscarraige . The only person who loves Saloni is Nahar and Neel . We all saw what her immediate family did recently and now what her in laws r gonna do .
Doing things for husband's family does not mean losing track of the main person....ur husband . Nahar had resorted to drinking when he had been puzzled by her bad behaviour during the Jiji episode after she left the house . what kind of nonsense was that ???

And what is wrong in thinking of husband's family as husband's family ? Thats the reason there r two names ....Maayka and sasuraal ! In fact , a woman steps around gingerly in her sasuraal and takes liberties in her maayka ....why , may i ask ? Coz till she dies this distinction remains in her mind.....my husbands family and my maayka ! So why pretend ? I think finally when a woman says ' my family ' it means her husband and the children they sired . The other two familes she is attached to r the sasuraal and the maayka .

And yes , it is ok to be idealistic too ....but can't an idealistic person be practical too ?
Tara is unappreciative but doesnt Saloni love this unappreciative female ?
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Posted: 17 years ago
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I disagree with a lot of what you said.

As far as Saloni and her baby go. I've seen people run in marathons up until the 9th month of their pregnancy - so if they gave birth to healthy baby's, I highly doubt Saloni would've had a miscarriage over petty things.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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People who run in Marathons when they r pregnant r generally very fitness conscious and take adequate care , doctor's advice , and even time their breaths and pace . Nevertheless it is a risk and ultimately they do so at their own risk . Even the doctors ultimately tell them that ....and no one can deny this .

Saloni hasnt taken petty risks ....the fall she took when Neel and Nahar were fighting at the railway station wasnt petty . she has been hospitalised twice for stress . She waves it aside and rushes to help others .....fact of life is , others can sometimes manage totally on their own . Narpat ran away but she ran after Kalika to pick up her father's pieces. It was very very naive of her to assume that Kalika wud heal so quickly and to assume that a drinking problem vanishes with one promise . This is what idealistic thinking sometimes achieves coz of its naivete .....danger . It is not wrong to be practical .

I am sorry 😊 i do not agree with ur viewpoint on idealism ....i prefer idealism blended with practical thinking . It is much more realistic and oh so acceptable .

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000


I am sorry 😊 i do not agree with ur viewpoint on idealism ....i prefer idealism blended with practical thinking . It is much more realistic and oh so acceptable .



I wrote a paragraph and you make assumptions and jump to conclusions about my viewpoint on idealism? Psssssshhhhh - please. There is sooooooooooo much I could say to you but I figure your not worth the time or the effort.
On a side note, it's one thing to disagree with what I said (not that I ever asked you to agree) but to make assumptions based off that is pathetic.


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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: punjabihypnotic



I wrote a paragraph and you make assumptions and jump to conclusions about my viewpoint on idealism? Psssssshhhhh - please. There is sooooooooooo much I could say to you but I figure your not worth the time or the effort.
On a side note, it's one thing to disagree with what I said (not that I ever asked you to agree) but to make assumptions based off that is pathetic.
When i referred to ur viewpoint on idealism i meant purely the point where u said about the idealistic bahu [ Saloni] being better than a woman considering husband's family as just that ....her husband's family . That particular statement I meant and naturally expected u to understand as we r talking in this common thread . Why would I be even remotely interested in your views on idealism in general ? I come on this forum to discuss this show and the characters .....someone's personal views on various isms is none of my business and doesnt interest me.

Your saying ' Pshhhhh...please' ' That I am not worth the time or effort ' is totally uncalled for . These r personal comments , mine were not . When i wrote my views in this forum i was fully aware that they wud not be so popular as Saloni is a very popular character but i wrote my viewpoint on it . And thats what this forum is for....diverse views but no personal comments.

You also said ' not that i ever asked u to agree ' .....well , u were the first one to say u disagreed with me but I never made this kind of comment . So many people in this thread disagreed with me , and I enjoyed discussing with them .....no one gave such responses . Kindly refrain from personal comments is a request .

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

For all those blaming Tara , I ask some questions .

Who took her own marraige for granted , left Nahar , jeopardised her own child , and made it a mission to preserve someone else's [ Tara brij] marraige , someone else's child [ advitiya] ? Saloni .

Yes she did that becoz thats she is portrayed to be selfless and caring and besides Singh family lauded her efforts so somewhere they approved this.

Who , instead of letting things be , invited the wrath of her own family [ Ambika and Samar], and plonked Kalika on them inspite of knowing how upset they wud be , once more jeopardised her baby and was admitted in hospital for the sheer pressure of things ? Saloni .

There are two things here. Most imp is every child has right to parentage and belongingness. And Narpat wished that Kali be given her due. Ambi not accepting Kali is normal but cursing & blaming her is wrong. The child isnt responsible for his/her own birth. Regd her baby that was stress and nothing more.

Who suggested Kalika's name and took it upon herself to get Shitij married inspite of being heavily pregnant .....when she shud have focussed on her baby and some rest and shud have left the matter to others in the house ? Who brought Kalika in the house in the first place ? Saloni !

Sal didnt take it upon himself but Kakasa was thinking of getting his son married and her nature is shown to be helpful and caring. Match-making😆 is not an exhaustive activity to effect pregnancy. Shitij did like her and as revealed now it was the duo's scheme for revenge.

The name of the show is Saat Phere , and Saloni very conveniently forgets that the Saat phere r with Nahar and he shud be of prime importance . His baby shud be of utmost importance . That husband's family is ultimately only there coz of the main link....the husband . Today all r saying Tara this Tara that but Tara had not asked Saloni to make such big big sacrifices had she ? Saloni did them coz of her own will ! Infact , Tara , wrong though she is currently , gives supreme value to Brijesh alone [ let the rest of the world go go bhaad me i want only my husband is her blunt motto] .....and even more value to Advitiya , who is her priority above all ! Whereas Saloni's baby is devalued by the mother herself ....Saloni !

The name of the show is Saat-Phere: SALONI ka Safar so its about her journey towards and after marriage. Since its a joint family other members have imp too and it was she who got Nahar acquited from Chandani case.

Like I said all of them lauded her efforts and somewhere were pleased that she risked her life for their happiness. Tara was elated to have her baby back and thanked Sal for her efforts never caring abt her travails. Sal sacrifices were enjoyed by Tara hence she must show gratitude for it and now exhibiting ingratitude is deploring.

Its not recent that she has turned self-serving. Tara is shown to be impressionable and attention seeking. Her obsession with baby and Brij speaks more of her own insecurity than Sal so called 'intrusiveness'.

If all of them turn self centred and just thought about their husband and child then the joint fly struc wld break. If everyone turns selfish then who wld help the other? and what wld reln mean? Tara never cares for others hence in times of trouble she seeks help from others. If others turned like her then she wld be at loss the most. Tara doesnt think or analyse sitns judiciously hence her thoughts/decsn arent sought. Bhabho is more involved in the family decsn making.

Sal baby is very much cared after and valued too. The property was put in the child name by Kakasa too.

So Why blame tara so much ? Infact if the character of Saloni had an iota of sense she wud study Tara and learn what life's priorities r !

Well if Sal was to learn from Tara then we will see two hyperbolic reactions!!😆

Now my thoughts are if you value family then you enjoy the privileges which come with it but be ready to make sacrifices too. There are some over the board sacrifices shown and even hyberbolic reactions which may be becoz its a serial or scripted for drama. If its abt ethics then too if someone cares for us then either we acknowledge it gracefully or ask the person to stop the affection. All relations are bounded by trust and affection and its upto the indiv to define whom to trust a person known for a couple of years or someone whom u know for few days. If one person gets overly suspicious and insensitive then its bound to break down the reln, irrespective of who says what. Looking from this point of view Tara stands guilty.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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dear realitybites , first let me thank u for ur very enjoyable reply ....it was a superb read . 😊


If u have read all my posts in this thread , I ask u only one question . 😊

When finally the truth comes out , and Tara comes with a crestfallen face to say sorry to Saloni , what is Saloni going to do ?

Is she going to tell her please dont even bother to apologise Bhabisa ......this is normal for u ......ur apologies r as convenient as ur about turns in a jiffy when any stranger comes along and poisons u against me ? U did same thing with Jiji , now kalika , and u will continue doing it in future so dont even apologise , i might as well get used to it ? It is Brijesh Bhaisa , to his credit who really knows me at least a little and I endured ur childish insults only coz of him ? So when ur never gonna change , why bother with these apologies ?

Is Saloni going to say this ? Nope . Infact Saloni will rush to Tara , catch her hands and tell her Bhabisa dont make me ashamed by apologising to me as ur big in age . It was not ur fault Bhabisa . U were misled .

Now tell me ....who is pampering Tara here ? Saloni . Who is letting Tara go unchecked here ? Saloni . A voluntary choice of an idealistic behaviour is really perfectly ok but nowhere does this choice imply that one shud forgo her self respect , right ? Tara may be big , but Tara badly needs a lesson now , even after this Kalika episode blows over . U simply cannot pamper a wrong person only coz he is big in age , or big in relation , or under the excuse that it is not classy to talk back ....or that hey I am preserving the shaanti in the house . If u do that , the person will always go unchecked and go on wrecking the peace in the house . Sometimes it becomes extremely necessary to stop this kind of ridiculous pampering and this is what Saloni simply doesnt do and gives it the name of sanskaars ......when there is nothing wrong in standing up for ur self respect .......it shud never be mixed with rudeness or being unclassy .

In yestrdays Kitchen scene too , Saloni is apologising to Tara who is cold and unrelenting . Who shud be doing this apologising ......Saloni or Tara ? Tara ! If Saloni is going to go on pampering this extremely spoilt and ungrateful woman this way who is at fault is my question . Why blame Tara then ?

I hope all u guys who have stood up for Saloni remember me when u see her forgiving Tara in an instant after the Kalika episode . In my opinion , Kalika and ungrateful Tara r on par . Kalika is sick in the head , Tara , a horribly ungrateful person like Dheer , and Saloni , the most to blame as she will expose Kalika but forgive Tara immediately . 😆
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Posted: 17 years ago
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I am glad koolsadhu1000 you liked the reply. 😳 I have observed u do make insightful posts, great post dear 👏

I am not trying to defend Sal or attack Tara. I am just trying to point out how they have been portrayed or characterised till now. See dont compare with real life none of the things will make sense then. The story shd have semblance of reality and stay true to the charac crafted out. As I said Sal's charac has been shown to be caring, tolerant and most of all she loves family ( better word is in Hindi> bears 'parivarik' thought. Hence she makes efforts to bind all together. Sal has b een forgiving since her childhood thats her natural tendency, she lets go and lives for present. May be the belongingness she missed in childhood is what makes go out of the way to please people. She is depicted to be kind hearted and mature. What purpose wld be served if Sal scolds Tara? As you said Tara regards Brij the most but still doesnt listen to him, so where does Sal stand. Its futile to try and reason with Tara who is portrayed to be impressionable and exacting. Sal is doing that so that peace prevails and it doesnt demean her becoz she values family more than her own self esteem. In her thinking thats more desirable hence she works towards it. Tara regards her baby and Brij of primary importance to her hence her energies are channelised for their well being.

Dheer well is an opportunist but a harmless one. Kali is purely senseless revenge 😕

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