3 reasons why Raja is better than Amanat - Page 3

Originally posted by: muskaan1212

I agree with you....Amanats voice is very typical...i dont see anything special in it.....hez a ok...hez just hyped too much for some reason.....but Raja's voice is outstanding

And as for consistency mentioned above...all i wanna say is "After every peek there is a Recession"....life is a rollar coaster ride....

All i know is Saregamapa wont be Saregamapa without Raja!!!

First of all, edit ur post as it is not 'peek', it is peak.😆

U feel Raja's voice outstanding; I don't find it..I find nothing special in Raja's voice but yes, I do feel his speciality is that he sings very naturally. Whereas I find Amanat's voice very soothing especially when he sings slow/sad songs/semi-classical ones. U can say Aneek's voice is nothing special but not Amanat's. (Note: I always try to give an unbiased opinion as far as possible)

Secondly, I feel voice is not everythg in music though it plays a major part in some cases when it is extremely good or bad(extremely good case - Sumedha and I must add here that neither Raja nor Amanat hv an extremely good or bad voice though both of them hv unique voices). More than voice, it is the singing which carries more value. Thats why singers with varied voice quality whether it is sweet, thick, rich, etc can make a place in our hearts if they sing it properly. Amanat's singing is very clean. He's not hyped just like that. If u listen to his earlier performances like 'Ya Rabba', 'More Saiyaan', 'Kadhi aa mil', 'Yeh hosla', his technicalities are very different and unique. It will be very difficult for any singer to replicate his harquaten.(I myself hv tried but I feel it is difficult even though I do hv a classical base and I can easily replicate the singing/harquaten of Aneek, just to give an example) Raja also has a special style of singing but his harquaten also are not so difficult, only that his singing is very natural and thats why his connectivity with audience is very strong.

Originally posted by: lifeztuf

I can give a thousand reasons why Amanat is the best of all(not only better than Raja) 😉

lol well said...amanat's the best...😃

Originally posted by: liquidice

lol well said...amanat's the best...😃

I second that 😛

We have already had a discussion on who is best last week on this forum and Tanaz who I feel is an unbiased opinion giver with knowledge of music I put her posts for u to judge.

1)Tanaz says:
I've given a technical analysis before in another topic, so I will just copy-paste what I wrote there for the remaining contestants.

SUMEDHA.

Positive:
Has a wonderful resonance in her voice. If you press down the damper pedal and play the piano, you will understand that Sumedha's voice has the same sort of effect. The beauty of it is that she does not need studio-editing equipment to produce such a resonance, which is why mentors keep harping about how great she would sound in recording.

Negative:
She tends to go nasal at times, so she needs to be careful about that. Her notes also need careful monitoring so that she doesn't go off-sur.

RAJA.

Positive:
When it comes to high range singing, no one can beat this guy. He also has strong control over his vocals and adds little ornaments here and there with ease.

Negative:
He's straining himself too much with these high-range songs, which is why he sounds tired at times. He also needs practice to perform softer songs with ease. I think that if he's given a year or so to practice bringing softness to his voice, he will be able to do those songs as well.

ANEEK.

Positive: Nice, clean voice. He sings difficult songs with an unusual ease.

Negative: He needs to work on his English diction. His rapping was not up to the mark.

AMANAT.

Positive: Another great technical singer. He has the voice of a Ghazal singer - delicate with a hint of sadness.

Negative: While technically he is very sound, when it comes to songs other than ghazals/semi-classical, he is unable to do justice. He often lacks the feel or energy required for those songs and frankly speaking, they are not as memorable as "Yeh Honsla" from Dor.

POONAM:

Positive: Very very strong vocals. Also she has a different and refreshing voice.

Negative: She has to really learn how to do "legato singing" or smooth singing. Her notes tend to become detatched, which is great when you have songs like Vande Mataram from Anandmath, but very bad when you have a romantic song which requires more flow and sweetness.

I noticed the same problem again when she sang "Jhooth bole kauwa kaate" - her singing was very detached.

2)Anu.Rad wrote:
Great Analysis Tanaz and your choice is????




I'm having trouble pinning down my choice here as well. If I completely ignore voice quality, Aneek and Amanat are the strongest in terms of technique.
3)ranjusweet wrote:
Tanaz,

Thanks for your nice reply.


Seeing the present status of Indian music industry which is searching for a different male voice.

Please say whom do u personally feel will be successful in future

Just your personal feeling.




In my view, Raja and Sumedha have a strong potential to be successful in the music industry.

Raja needs some time to do riyaaz with softer songs in the middle ranges - he is quite capable of doing a good job with them given enough time.

Sumedha also needs to keep perfecting her technique so that not even a single note goes amiss

Originally posted by: joshi23

Raja voice is more mainstream

I disagree that Raja is mainstream. I think Raja's voice is more suitable for songs with a rustic, salt-of-the-earth, call-to-spirituality feel to them. He has a very distinct Raja sound. It makes him stand out from conventional singers and sets him apart from the other contestants in challenge 2007 as well, and when he hones in on that and sings material that plays to his strengths, his distinct Raja sound is a very good thing - not only does it set him apart, he sounds rather divine, invoking the image of whatever one might hold sacred.

Raja's singing, at its best, is full of the kind of raw passion that quiets all the frivolous thoughts and centers the heart and mind on the bittersweet nature of life - all the heartache and the beautiful things at once, the things that matter, like kindness and compassion. He needs to fine-tune this more and keep training, but the raw talent is there.

When Raja tries to sing filmy/romantic numbers or more playful, typical comedy-type songs - songs that have none of the depth that he excels at bringing out in more devotional type songs - his voice just doesn't pop. He sounds somewhat lifeless, the opposite of the passion he brings out when he is in his element. His singing is not awful - it is ordinary. He does not stand out the way he did earlier in the competition..

Now, to be clear, he is singing nowhere near as poorly as HR tries to make it sound in his tirades, and Mussarat did not sing any earth-shattering performances the week before to make it any injustice that he was eliminated and Raja stayed in. Mussarat sang poorly in his last few performances in my opinion (though he too is a good singer). HR is bashing Raja for his own purposes and to drive up TRP and voting. He is not giving constructive criticism..

If Raja really wants to show some degree of versatility and range by singing songs that are more playful/less serious than the types of songs that he wowed over so many people with earlier on, perhaps he could try to compromise with his song selection and choose songs that have a comedic or playful flair but still play to his basic strengths. I'm thinking something more like Kailash Kher's "Tauba Tauba," just for example.

Originally posted by: ranjusweet

We have already had a discussion on who is best last week on this forum and Tanaz who I feel is an unbiased opinion giver with knowledge of music I put her posts for u to judge.

1)Tanaz says:
I've given a technical analysis before in another topic, so I will just copy-paste what I wrote there for the remaining contestants.

SUMEDHA.

Positive:
Has a wonderful resonance in her voice. If you press down the damper pedal and play the piano, you will understand that Sumedha's voice has the same sort of effect. The beauty of it is that she does not need studio-editing equipment to produce such a resonance, which is why mentors keep harping about how great she would sound in recording.

Negative:
She tends to go nasal at times, so she needs to be careful about that. Her notes also need careful monitoring so that she doesn't go off-sur.

RAJA.

Positive:
When it comes to high range singing, no one can beat this guy. He also has strong control over his vocals and adds little ornaments here and there with ease.

Negative:
He's straining himself too much with these high-range songs, which is why he sounds tired at times. He also needs practice to perform softer songs with ease. I think that if he's given a year or so to practice bringing softness to his voice, he will be able to do those songs as well.

ANEEK.

Positive: Nice, clean voice. He sings difficult songs with an unusual ease.

Negative: He needs to work on his English diction. His rapping was not up to the mark.

AMANAT.

Positive: Another great technical singer. He has the voice of a Ghazal singer - delicate with a hint of sadness.

Negative: While technically he is very sound, when it comes to songs other than ghazals/semi-classical, he is unable to do justice. He often lacks the feel or energy required for those songs and frankly speaking, they are not as memorable as "Yeh Honsla" from Dor.

POONAM:

Positive: Very very strong vocals. Also she has a different and refreshing voice.

Negative: She has to really learn how to do "legato singing" or smooth singing. Her notes tend to become detatched, which is great when you have songs like Vande Mataram from Anandmath, but very bad when you have a romantic song which requires more flow and sweetness.

I noticed the same problem again when she sang "Jhooth bole kauwa kaate" - her singing was very detached.

2)Anu.Rad wrote:
Great Analysis Tanaz and your choice is????




I'm having trouble pinning down my choice here as well. If I completely ignore voice quality, Aneek and Amanat are the strongest in terms of technique.
3)ranjusweet wrote:
Tanaz,

Thanks for your nice reply.


Seeing the present status of Indian music industry which is searching for a different male voice.

Please say whom do u personally feel will be successful in future

Just your personal feeling.




In my view, Raja and Sumedha have a strong potential to be successful in the music industry.

Raja needs some time to do riyaaz with softer songs in the middle ranges - he is quite capable of doing a good job with them given enough time.

Sumedha also needs to keep perfecting her technique so that not even a single note goes amiss

I agree with you.

However I will let Raja go for his inconsistencies only because he is singing different kinds of songs with high/low variations in the pitch. Like e.g. the Kishore song saanwariya was a very difficult song so kudos to him just for trying it.

Originally posted by: mojazwal

I disagree that Raja is mainstream. I think Raja's voice is more suitable for songs with a rustic, salt-of-the-earth, call-to-spirituality feel to them. He has a very distinct Raja sound. It makes him stand out from conventional singers and sets him apart from the other contestants in challenge 2007 as well, and when he hones in on that and sings material that plays to his strengths, his distinct Raja sound is a very good thing - not only does it set him apart, he sounds rather divine, invoking the image of whatever one might hold sacred.

Raja's singing, at its best, is full of the kind of raw passion that quiets all the frivolous thoughts and centers the heart and mind on the bittersweet nature of life - all the heartache and the beautiful things at once, the things that matter, like kindness and compassion. He needs to fine-tune this more and keep training, but the raw talent is there.

When Raja tries to sing filmy/romantic numbers or more playful, typical comedy-type songs - songs that have none of the depth that he excels at bringing out in more devotional type songs - his voice just doesn't pop. He sounds somewhat lifeless, the opposite of the passion he brings out when he is in his element. His singing is not awful - it is ordinary. He does not stand out the way he did earlier in the competition..

Now, to be clear, he is singing nowhere near as poorly as HR tries to make it sound in his tirades, and Mussarat did not sing any earth-shattering performances the week before to make it any injustice that he was eliminated and Raja stayed in. Mussarat sang poorly in his last few performances in my opinion (though he too is a good singer). HR is bashing Raja for his own purposes and to drive up TRP and voting. He is not giving constructive criticism..

If Raja really wants to show some degree of versatility and range by singing songs that are more playful/less serious than the types of songs that he wowed over so many people with earlier on, perhaps he could try to compromise with his song selection and choose songs that have a comedic or playful flair but still play to his basic strengths. I'm thinking something more like Kailash Kher's "Tauba Tauba," just for example.

Raja can definitely be a cheaper Sukhwinder, James or Kay Kay for bollywood as his voice ranges are similar to these singers. And you cannot say that his voice doesnt stand out like it used to earlier in the competition. The voice and singing remains the same, the only difference is the choice of songs. He is chosing difficult songs thats it. If he sings straight songs with minimal pitch changes like eg Amanat or Aneek are doing, he will sound much better. He is getting frustrated by judges comments and losing his confidence and thus trying many different types of songs. I dont think Vishal/Shekar are supporting him as good as Darbar is supporting Amanat or Himesh is supporting Aneek.

If he can be a cheaper version of Sukhwinder, James, or Kay Kay, in my opinion that would make Raja a cheap imitation and not very bankable, commercial, or mainstream. I am not even convinced he can do that yet.

Originally posted by: joshi23

And you cannot say that his voice doesnt stand out like it used to earlier in the competition. The voice and singing remains the same, the only difference is the choice of songs.

Please do not tell me what I can and cannot say, thank you 😊

I think certain songs can enhance or weaken a singer's voice, and vice versus, depending on whether the song and the voice are a good fit. Raja's voice sounds washed out whenever he tries to go mainstream.

Regardless of HR comments and bullying, it's a very good thing that Raja wants to challenge himself and that he's not afraid to go outside of his comfort zone, even in the middle of a competition. But, if Raja wants to compete to the best of his ability, he needs to challenge himself at a more reasonable pace.

i dun agree
i thnk Amanat iz betta den Raja

Originally posted by: lifeztuf

First of all, edit ur post as it is not 'peek', it is peak.😆

U feel Raja's voice outstanding; I don't find it..I find nothing special in Raja's voice but yes, I do feel his speciality is that he sings very naturally. Whereas I find Amanat's voice very soothing especially when he sings slow/sad songs/semi-classical ones. U can say Aneek's voice is nothing special but not Amanat's. (Note: I always try to give an unbiased opinion as far as possible)

Secondly, I feel voice is not everythg in music though it plays a major part in some cases when it is extremely good or bad(extremely good case - Sumedha and I must add here that neither Raja nor Amanat hv an extremely good or bad voice though both of them hv unique voices). More than voice, it is the singing which carries more value. Thats why singers with varied voice quality whether it is sweet, thick, rich, etc can make a place in our hearts if they sing it properly. Amanat's singing is very clean. He's not hyped just like that. If u listen to his earlier performances like 'Ya Rabba', 'More Saiyaan', 'Kadhi aa mil', 'Yeh hosla', his technicalities are very different and unique. It will be very difficult for any singer to replicate his harquaten.(I myself hv tried but I feel it is difficult even though I do hv a classical base and I can easily replicate the singing/harquaten of Aneek, just to give an example) Raja also has a special style of singing but his harquaten also are not so difficult, only that his singing is very natural and thats why his connectivity with audience is very strong.

SORRY master jiiiiii i meant "peak".....i didnt know i was writing a test... lol :P