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Posted: 18 years ago
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First of all, I mildly suspect that this topic might get locked down by the administrators. I hope not.

OK, after a few weeks of watching C2007, I have decided that I have been patient enough with this program. There is just no way that we are going to see extraordinary talent a la Nihira, Himani, Hemu or Vinit emerge from this.

I was wondering why C2007 went so astray. Here are my thoughts (pure speculation of course).

  • First and foremost, the exit of Gajji seems to be the main factor for the decline. Gajji, with his experience knew that it takes a lot of patience to find and harness talent (he is showing this amply on the other program that we are not allowed to discuss/compare here).
  • Zee on the other hand seems to have compromised in favor of being 'first on air'. I get the distinct feeling that they rushed through the auditions before coming up with the shortlist
  • They went overboard with this 'vishwayuddh' thing. They probably would have found enough good singers if they had focussed on auditions in India rather than spreading themselves thin by holding auditions overseas
  • Maybe, they decided to not accept any of the singers who had previously participated in SRGMP (excellent singers like Irfan, Karishma Kini, etc. who are now participating on that other show). Big mistake if they did that
  • They did not publicize the auditions (where/when/how) well enough. As a result, very good singers might have just missed out on the auditions. The exit of Gajji could again have been a factor here
  • Maybe, they decided to focus on singers who are better at new-age music (item numbers, Himesh songs, etc.). I say this based on the song selections. Not too many classical or semi-classical based songs or songs from the golden era
  • Bappi Lahiri is too nice a guy. If he was responsible for selecting 25% of the contestants, I can see him going "Tum accha gaata hain. Thoda sur ka idhar udhar tha lekin chalega"

As you can see, I am quite disappointed. I just cannot believe that they could not find a better group of singers, esp. after seeing the parade of talent on the other show.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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First of all - don't worry. This topic won't get locked down (unless you explicitly start comparing other shows here, which could start a deluge of sorts).

As for your reasons, the only one that seems logical is that they may have rushed through auditions, and didn't publicize it enough. However, I don't think that is due to Gajji's absence. Even if he was here, he would also have a deadline to meet, and he would have rushed it too. As for advertising (or lack of it), that again wouldn't have been affected by the presence of Gajji. It remains to be seen whether rushing the show pays out better dividends in the future.

Your argument that they would have found better singers had they focused on auditions in India rather than holding auditions overseas makes no sense when you consider that some of the best singers in the competition have been got from abroad. Simply increasing the spots for Indian contestants at the expense of overseas contestants would only have diluted the quality of talent. Let's be thankful for the opportunity we have got to hear the Pakistanis, Canadians, and yes, even the American contestant (even if it was one amazing song).

The Bappi Lahiri argument makes no sense when you consider that he has picked some of the better contestants in the show (other than the Pakistanis, who weren't selected by the mentors). Simply because he is quiet or is nice to all contestants doesn't mean he'll pick any Tom, Dick, or Harry for his gharana.

The way I look at it, the male contestants are at the level of the C2005 male contestants at the same stage in the show. No reason for complaint there. Yes, the female contestants are not quite as good, but other than Nihira and Himani, I think they compare well with the C2005 contestants as well. So I feel all the griping is a bit farfetched.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: anarvekar

  • Zee on the other hand seems to have compromised in favor of being 'first on air'. I get the distinct feeling that they rushed through the auditions before coming up with the shortlist



Agree with this, Ashish.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: anarvekar

  • They went overboard with this 'vishwayuddh' thing. They probably would have found enough good singers if they had focussed on auditions in India rather than spreading themselves thin by holding auditions overseas


Yes, they certainly seem to have gone overboard. But if they had managed the process well, it was possible to get good singers both from India and overseas. I think the fault lay in the management. In the female singers department, especially. I think they really missed out on some good talent, which I came to know only when I watched VOI.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Well I am very disappointed this time with the show when the other one seems to have attracted lot of great talent. I feel the show did not try hard enough for there is no shortage of good talent out there in India as has been evidenced on the other show. C2005 had some great singers like Nihira, Hemachandra etc.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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I totally agree with you that when the director of the show leaves with most of the staff and with the best host at the last moment, it can have a devastating effect on the show..The C 2007 is the first Zee saregama without Gajji and his staff..

On the positive side, they were able to rake in Ismail and Himesh, Got Aditya, a reasonably fine host and they are at present topping the trp's..

If you consider it as their first show and done in a hurry, you will find the show to be reasonably good..We should think this show not as continuation of C2005 but as the first show with a new team..than it will make more sense..Just my pov
Edited by Sur_Sangam - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: shadyhtown


Your argument that they would have found better singers had they focused on auditions in India rather than holding auditions overseas makes no sense when you consider that some of the best singers in the competition have been got from abroad.


The way I look at it, the male contestants are at the level of the C2005 male contestants at the same stage in the show. No reason for complaint there. .

Oh,really........I don't think so.I don't find anybody who is at par with hemu,debojit,vinit .Zee has achieved nothing by going overseas.This srgmp07 is going to be the worst show talent wise.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: shadyhtown

First of all - don't worry. This topic won't get locked down (unless you explicitly start comparing other shows here, which could start a deluge of sorts).

As for your reasons, the only one that seems logical is that they may have rushed through auditions, and didn't publicize it enough. However, I don't think that is due to Gajji's absence. Even if he was here, he would also have a deadline to meet, and he would have rushed it too. As for advertising (or lack of it), that again wouldn't have been affected by the presence of Gajji. It remains to be seen whether rushing the show pays out better dividends in the future.

Your argument that they would have found better singers had they focused on auditions in India rather than holding auditions overseas makes no sense when you consider that some of the best singers in the competition have been got from abroad. Simply increasing the spots for Indian contestants at the expense of overseas contestants would only have diluted the quality of talent. Let's be thankful for the opportunity we have got to hear the Pakistanis, Canadians, and yes, even the American contestant (even if it was one amazing song).

The Bappi Lahiri argument makes no sense when you consider that he has picked some of the better contestants in the show (other than the Pakistanis, who weren't selected by the mentors). Simply because he is quiet or is nice to all contestants doesn't mean he'll pick any Tom, Dick, or Harry for his gharana.

The way I look at it, the male contestants are at the level of the C2005 male contestants at the same stage in the show. No reason for complaint there. Yes, the female contestants are not quite as good, but other than Nihira and Himani, I think they compare well with the C2005 contestants as well. So I feel all the griping is a bit farfetched.

Let me elaborate on some of the points. Holding auditions overseas would be more of a logistical nightmare compared to holding them in India. The time spent in organizing an overseas audition would have been better spent in organizing a good audition in India. If the auditions in India had been better organized and given the proper attention, it would have only ehanced the talent pool rather than diluted it. As I said, most of this is speculation on my part. It is not just random speculation though. I have given it some thought to try and rationalize why C2007 has seen such a decline in quality.

As for the male contestants being equal, I don't agree. I don't see a Hemachandra or Vinit or even a Sharib here. They don't have that 'Dil ko choo lene vaali baat'. Musarrat may have sung 'Laagi man se man ki lagan' as well as Sharib at the technical level but it did not tug at your heartstrings the way Sharib's did. I can listen to Sharib's rendition any number of times. Not so with Musarrat's.

I am still hoping that I am pleasantly surprised in future rounds by some of these contestants but I know it is a feeble hope.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: saan1997

Oh,really........I don't think so.I don't find anybody who is at par with hemu,debojit,vinit .Zee has achieved nothing by going overseas.This srgmp07 is going to be the worst show talent wise.

Well you gotta agree that C2007 males singers are better than the female singers. So somehow the males singers are comparable with the male singers from C2005 but the female singers are no where close to Nihira & Himani. And this show is not all that bad actually. Sure the singers aren't that great but they don't totally suck...

Edited by snowflake0555 - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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100% agree with the guy who posted this topic.

Can't believe someone said that male singers are comparable to those in 2005!!!! He most probably didn't follow C2005.

Also the TRPs might be good now for Zee, but not long enough. THe othr show is still in auditions, let that on start. Then we can talk about TRPs. word of mouth goes fast.



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