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Posted: 19 years ago
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Here's an mp3 for you all:

Malkauns, also known as Malkosh or Malav Kaushik, is a majestic pentatonic raga.

Nikhil Banerjee on the sitar with tabla accompanyment by Kanai Dutt. The tala (rythmic pattern) is tintal (16 beats). Recorded in the 1960s.

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: simplyskud

Here's an mp3 for you all:

Malkauns, also known as Malkosh or Malav Kaushik, is a majestic pentatonic raga.

Nikhil Banerjee on the sitar with tabla accompanyment by Kanai Dutt. The tala (rythmic pattern) is tintal (16 beats). Recorded in the 1960s.

Download mp3



Thanku Skud Bhai 😊
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Here's Another .... Raga Bilaskhani Todi.

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Posted: 19 years ago
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How well Nikhil Banerjee puts it when he says:

You know this is a very important thing for Westerners to understand about Indian music: Indian music is based on spiritualism, that is the first word, you must keep it in your mind. Many people misunderstand and think it's got something to do with religion, no, absolutely no! Nothing to do with religion, but spiritualism-Indian music was practiced and learned to know the Supreme Truth. Mirabai, Tyagaraja from the South, Haridas Swami, Baiju-all these great composers and musicians were wandering saints; they never came into society nor performed in society. This is the history of Indian music, and this music was learned and it was practiced in search of truth. This is the background of Indian classical music; you must keep it in your mind always. In the temples, this music was sung every day in front of the statues, the idols. In Mathura-Brindaban, the home of dhrupad, this music is still sung. Another technical point I can tell you here: you know dhrupad has got four parts, asthai, antara, sanchari and abhog. But if you go to Mathura-Brindaban, they have got seven parts, and you cannot deny they are the originals. After the evening worship of the idols they sing in a group, purely based on rag and purely dhrupad with seven parts. If you really want to hear that, you've got to go there to the temple. Our music was either practiced by the wandering saints or it was in the temple. This is the background of Indian classical music, it was coming like that for many thousands of years. Then during the Muslim invasion of India in the 12th century, the music was composed and was sung in front of the kings to entertain. Then the passion came in our music; actually it was not there before. Passion and the worship of kings-the king is next to god-the wording of many old compositions you'll see, are all in praise of the king. And the king used to give orders, "Do this, do that." So music became part of entertainment after the Muslim invasions, before that no, absolutely no. Old compositions are all about Lord Krishna and Radha, their eternal love, all are based on this love affair, but when the Muslim invasion started then it took a dramatic change.

From the 12th century Indian classical music was bifurcated-one went to the North, one went to the South. The South preserved this rigid orthodoxy; it's still a long argument but they claim that they have maintained the purity of Indian classical music. If you keep something from any touch of the outside world perhaps that sanctity is there but it is like stagnant water. That broadness doesn't come, whereas in North Indian music, after so many invasions from Persia, Greece, Afghanistan, and so many other places, it was enriched with different combinations. That is one of the reasons why this music being so old still has got its power, whereas in Japan, China, Korea, and all these places with old civilizations, it has almost dried out. The North Indian music is always flowing, and still today also it is flowing very nicely, like "a rolling stone gathers no moss." It is very crystalline, and still full of power. Indian musicians have heard many other kinds of music, and have tried to take something from other music also, and they're still seeking. That's a very good point, I think. I like this. Unless you take some ideas from different cultures or different people, how can you really enrich your own ideas? If you do not expand, that means death and stagnation. So what happened to our South Indian music is really a great point to think about. Nowadays there are many great musicians, of course, but many of them are trying to take something from North Indian music. But perhaps you know many great musicians who often visit the U.S. are not accepted there in South India. Why? Because they have gone to the West, because they have heard other music; it's a very orthodox style. However, in North Indian music that constant flow is there.

Edited by punjini - 19 years ago
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Posted: 19 years ago
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NB was a highly enlightened soul. He knew the difference between religion and spirituality. This spirituality in Indian classical music is what distinguishes it from all other music. An Indian (Hindu or Muslim) would perceive the process of learning and playing classical music as a means of communicating with God.

I also like what he says about the differences between Carnatic and Hindustani. The former has maintained its purity but stagnated to some extent because it did not allow the touch of the outside world. Hindustani, on the other hand, by absorbing foreign influences has become so rich! I love the comparison with a rolling stone and a flowing river.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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This forum has not been interesting now a days. Please post the topics related to SRGMP EMET Atleast I am not interested in reading interviews and articles published in 1985.... Its OK if you refer those articles by posting the link to justify your views but starting a whole new topic with those articles is not right in the spirit of EMET as this place is meant for EMET discussions only...Just my opinion...
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: simplyskud

I somehow feel that Hindustani music is much more relaxed .... more accessible and much more languid. Easier to understand. In carnatic music, too much stress is given on aroham and avarohanam, beat cycles and so on ... techinque is more respected and regarded than bhaava. The essence of the song is actually missed ...

Infact the difference manifests even in the teaching methods ... hindustani music explores so many ragas in so many types of songs whereas carnatic music demands endless hours of practising sarali varisai or janda varisai ...

great topic, skudly! 😆 lots of home-runs

i always feel that we reveal a lot of ourselves when we describe the things that drive us, the things that we spend a good part of our lives doing. NB could have chosen to talk of endless hours of practice, but he did not. in describing his passion in terms of spirituality, we get a sense of where he was coming from. practice may still have been key to his art, but he saw his music as much more than that, like "sadhana" perhaps?

btw, totally subscribe to the flowing water version- survival is first order of the day! if there is no one around to nurture the art, what good would the purity be in the first place? some of the best things i find in our society is the openness, flexibility and tolerance of the water that flows... Does not mean still waters do not have value in other great respects- they provide the discipline which comes from purity of mind which is needed in so many other fields...

just my POV. [sorry they closed that topic before i cld get to it with my ans...]

Edited by chatbuster - 19 years ago

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Chatbuster, NB HAS spoken about his hours of practice. Read the first part of his interview in which he describes how he was kicked and pushed! God, I can't imagine Ravi Shankar going through the same treatment!
Edited by punjini - 19 years ago
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: affluent

This forum has not been interesting now a days. Please post the topics related to SRGMP EMET Atleast I am not interested in reading interviews and articles published in 1985.... Its OK if you refer those articles by posting the link to justify your views but starting a whole new topic with those articles is not right in the spirit of EMET as this place is meant for EMET discussions only...Just my opinion...


One man's poison is another man's food. 😊 Sorry woman's, in this case.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: affluent

This forum has not been interesting now a days. Please post the topics related to SRGMP EMET Atleast I am not interested in reading interviews and articles published in 1985.... Its OK if you refer those articles by posting the link to justify your views but starting a whole new topic with those articles is not right in the spirit of EMET as this place is meant for EMET discussions only...Just my opinion...



Why dont you start good threads on EMAET? This place is dedicated to SRGMP – a music show which gave birth to great singers like Shreya and Kunal for last 11 years. Anything musical is very related here – isn't it?

First time I heard live Nikhil B. is in Dover lane music conference many years back (man I am old) 😕

One friend of mine dragged me to the show – I was quite reluctant (I didn't think that I have the patience to listen classical for whole night).

Nikhil Banarjee played for 3 hours continuous (with Ustad Zakir Hussein for 1 hour) and turned me into a fan. Next day I purchased the first cassette of him.

Thanks Skudbhai for the thread and the download links. 😊

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