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Posted: 19 years ago
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The year before last we had a BOngo sammelan in Alberta, Where Sabita Ji & Antara performed.She was teeling us how unhappy she would become, when Salilda would give some of his best songs to Lata Mangeshkar to sing !

I love one of his bengali fast numbers"o mor moina go".


By the way, can any one give me the link to the song "o more moina go" ?

Thanks, Juggy.Yaar, call me Adi. 😛 Ad bolo to lagta hain, kisi ke ghar ke pata pooch rahe ho..
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: juggyE


Qwest ji, I'm fine... Not so fun anymore for me here on IF ever since Abhi, NSinha ji, musicpulse ji left so just log in to read posts from you, Appa ji, ad, deepboy, Swar Raj ji, Punjini ji, KB ji...
Couldn't resist posting since it was about Salil da...

Thanks u Quest for your addition. And juggy E for reading the post

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Posted: 19 years ago
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'O mor moina go' is a nice song. Among the songs he has composed both in Bengali and Hindi, I find the Hindi versions better such as "O sajana barkha bahar aaiyee", "na jeeya lage na" and "tasveer teri dil mein". The orchestration is better in the Hindi version.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Films of Salil Chowdhury


Salil must be the only Indian Film music director who composed music for films in most of the Indian languages. During his early years Salil was very much influenced by the large and diverse folk tradition of India. Added to this was the vast resource of the Indian classical music. He realised that that's where the melody is. An Indian melody must be totally 'Indian' in character. Not a sad copy of a western song. An Indian will never accept it. No matter how westernised the orchestration of a song is, it's the melody which counts. During his childhood in Assam he grew up listening to his father's large collection of western classical symphonies. His favourite was Mozart. This had also influenced him considerably.
Later Salil realised how important the orchestration and the arrangement in a song is. There are many examples of his incredible ability to arrange a large number of musical instruments and voices in this symphonic style. In fact as early as 1944/45 Salil was composing Bengali songs and experimenting with alternative voicing and 3-part harmony.
So, Salil rapidly established his unique style. Wonderful melodies with close-knit orchestration. His songs and the accompanying prelude, interlude and the background music can not be separated. Each song became an entity. His songs often sound simple and hummable until one tries to sing them.
After his huge success in Bengal with the film 'Rikshawala' (for which he wrote the story) he was invited to Bombay by Bimal Roy to compose music for 'Do Bigha Zameen' which was in fact the Hindi version of 'Rikshawala'.
After a series of successful films in Bombay including 'Madhumati' for which Salil was awarded the Filmfare award, he composed the music for 'Chemmen', his first Malayalam film. This was given the National Award in 1970 and immediately made him very popular in Kerala and he became one of the most successful composers in the Malayalam film industry with more that 25 films.
After his fame in Kerala, other South Indian Film producers lined up for him and Salil became a regular composer in the south often seen in Madras recording studios.
In Bengal, Salil is highly respected and revered. He is often quoted as the thinking man's composer. Salil always wrote his own songs. He wrote the lyrics, composed the melody, the background, the prelude and the interlude. He wrote down the notation and the chord-charts. A full sevice! There was no one in those days (even now!) who came even close to him. The musicians loved him and would do anything just to play for him. In more than 40 Bengali films for which he composed music, he is nearly always the lyricist and the composer.
Obviously, he couldn't do that in other languages. However, he did find some lyricists with whom he worked regularly. Shailendra, Yogesh and Gulzar became his regular lyricists in Hindi Films and in Malayalam films Salil frequently got Vayalar and O.N.V. Kurup.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Films with only background music composed by Salil Chowdhury

I don't know any other music director who composed only the background music for so many films. Well, Salil was incredibly good at it and composed just the background music for a large number of Hindi, Malayalam, Tamil films and quite few Film Division documentary films. quote of Salil on why he did so many background music :

"You've asked me why I have done so many background music scores for the songless films that crop up from time to time. This requires a certain degree of skill in timing the length of the footage with the duration of the piece to be recorded. I had established some sort of reputation for this soon after I had begun composing regularly in Bombay. I remember once there was a knock on my door at about 2 am and I found Bimal Roy, Hrishikesh and S.D. Burman standing on my doorstep, the latter wearing a worried expression. Sachinda had been signed up for Bimal's "Devdas", but apparently Bimal had not been happy with his background music for the last few reels of the film. So, at short notice early next morning, I was compelled to compose and record four reel's worth of music for the ending of "Devdas", uncredited, as our relationships were very cordial."

The first songless film of Salil, which has the most incredible background music was 'Qaanoon'(1960). Since then Salil composed the music of 'Sara Akaash',' Kal Patthar', 'Ittefaaq', 'Chiruthaa','Chehre Pe Chehra' etc. There was even an LP released called 'Dramatic scenes of Kala Patthar (ECLP 5645)'.
Interestingly, B.R.Chopra's MD was always Ravi, so why did he choose Salil for Qaanoon and Ittefaq ? Probably B.R. was very much impressed by the background music Salil composed for a number of Documentary films for the Film Division of India such as Gautam Buddha, From Indus Valley to Indira Gandhi etc and also several other films before that. For a complete list of his documentatry films, TV Films and TV serials go to the TV Films and TV Serials page. Here's a list of all his songless hindi films I could find. Often Salil used snippets of his background music to create new songs and sometimes used a song's melody line with some variations as background music....

Nr Year Film
SL1 1959 Anokhi Raat
SL2 1960 Qaanoon
SL3 1966 Jawaab Aayegaa
SL4 1969 Ittefaaq
SL5 1969 Sara Akaash
SL6 1978 Naukri*
SL7 1979 Kalaa Patthar
SL8 1980 Chehre Pe Chehra
SL9 1980 Chirutha
SL10 1981 Plot no. 5
SL11 1982 Darpok ki Dosti
SL12 1984 Qanoon Kyaa Karegaa
SL13 1986 Zevar
SL14 1989 Kamala ki Maut
SL15 1972 Achaanak **
SL16 1975 Mausam ***
SL17 1991 Netraheen Saakshi
SL18 1995 Sarita ki Shartein

Strictly speaking not every film listed here are songless. There are one or two exceptions and are identified below.

The MD of 'Anokhi Raat' was Roshan. Salil completed the background after his death.
The MD for 'Kalaa Patthar' was Rajesh Roshan and there are of course songs composed by him The dramatic background music is however composed by Salil.
The music director for 'Chehre Pe Chehre' was in fact N.Dutta. Salil only did the background.
Film 'Kamla ki Maut' has a background song by Runa Laila - 'Ranjish hi sahi'. It's not a Salil composition.
The story and the background music of Naukri* directed by Hrishikesh Mukherjee is by Salil. The MD was R.D.Burman.
**Achaanak' is a Gulzar Film (with Vinod Khanna) and Basant Desai is the MD. Salil's permanent assistant Sebastian was also assisted him in this film.
*** Mausam is also a Gulzar Film. MD was Madan Mohan and there are 5 songs composed by him. After his death Salil did the background.
'Jawaab Aayegaa', 'Darpok Ki Dosti' and 'Netraheen Saakshi' were produced by the Childrens Film Society. Video cassettes of these films are still available at the Childrens Film Society in Mumbai.
"Sarita ki Shartein" was produced by the Ministry of Health and Family Planning in 1995-96. This was censored as a short film and not as a feature film (Film length is 65 minutes). Basu Chaterjee was the director of the film while Salilda is credited as music director. I am not sure if the film features any song.. The film featured Harsh Chhaya, Sangeeta Ghosh, Prabha Sinha and Rajendra Gupta as lead cast.
Salil also composed only the background music for three malayalam films - 'Dweep' and 'Abhayam' and 'Vellam' and a Tamil Film called "Uyir". Seems like Uyir was Salilda's first entry into Tamil Films. Received some more details on Uyir from an ardent admirer: Its a TVS Productions film certified on 10.3.1971 and released on 12.3.1971 Director/Dialogues - P.R. Somu, Music - Ramana & Sreedhar, Cast : S.P.Muthuraman, B. Saroja devi etc.

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: juggyE



Qwest ji, I'm fine... Not so fun anymore for me here on IF ever since Abhi, NSinha ji, musicpulse ji left so just log in to read posts from you, Appa ji, ad, deepboy, Swar Raj ji, Punjini ji, KB ji...
Couldn't resist posting since it was about Salil da...

I am also planing to leave soon because you are right this place has become to !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for me. If you have realized that if there is any good topics I only contribute as much I can, trust me I do not use 100 different ID to be in this forum but I am sure they will realize soon how good writer those people were like Abhi, NSinha ji, musicpulse ji and there more who had left and do not come back this way. My day are in counting too.

Hi, Dawn05 these are some good people I was talking to you the other day.

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: ad_0112

The year before last we had a BOngo sammelan in Alberta, Where Sabita Ji & Antara performed.She was teeling us how unhappy she would become, when Salilda would give some of his best songs to Lata Mangeshkar to sing !

I love one of his bengali fast numbers"o mor moina go".

Adi

I got the info of this website..see if you can find the songs you are looking for here

http://www.salilda.com/songs.asp


By the way, can any one give me the link to the song "o more moina go" ?

Thanks, Juggy.Yaar, call me Adi. 😛 Ad bolo to lagta hain, kisi ke ghar ke pata pooch rahe ho..

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Posted: 19 years ago
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One of my fav songs, by Salil-da..

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: SolidSnake

One of my fav songs, by Salil-da..

SS ji.

It is also one of my favourite Song, Thanks for the link

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Posted: 19 years ago
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"He Said He Was Mozart Reborn"


What is surprising is that Salil Chowdhury gained popularity without even being really understood.

Papa's girl sings to his tune

He was a naughty man – my father! My brothers are married, so it was mum, my sister and me with dad - three women against one man, he would say and we never let him be. He loved Pan Parag and we would get after him to leave it so he would eat it on the sly.


Aaja ri aa nindiya tu aa…, Jhilmil sitaron se utar aankhon mein aa,

sapne sajaa… - If dewdrops could be rendered in human voice, Lata Mangeshkar did it with this lori she sang in Do Bigha Zameen. And who else but Salil Chowdhury could harvest these dewdrops, weave them into his music strings to form a piece of eternity – yet delicate, so ephemeral that the melody tapped your soul provocatively and vanished before you could even touch it?


The maestro was born in 1925 and would have been all of 75 this year. But he bid his goodbyes on September 5, 1995, and left his musical legacy to wonder at, or analysed and dissected.


Salil Chowdhury, unfortunately, was far ahead than his times permitted. Little wonder, his music bears analysis today and will continue to do so till his listeners can assimilate the subtle synchronisation of western classicism with the most ethnic of Indian melodies and the wonder their merger could produce.


What is surprising is that he gained popularity without even being really understood. Even Lata Mangeshkar has gone on record to exclaim, "I required Mannada (Manna Dey) to help me with Salilda's tunes!"


Today his daughter Antara makes her debut as a solo singer with an album titled Madhur Smriti in which she has most appropriately chosen to sing her father's tunes. Here she walks down memory lane to speak of her illustrious father and his influence over her life.


"Daddy used to say jocularly that he was Mozart reborn, he loved his music so much! It was from him that I got my love for Beethoven and Chopin. For me, he was naturally more a father than a composer. He was a naughty man – my father! My brothers are married, so it was mum, my sister and me with dad - three women against one man, he would say and we never let him be. He loved Pan Parag and we would get after him to leave it so he would eat it on the sly.


He loved to cook and quite impulsive as well. Suddenly he'd say one day, 'Today I'm going to cook!' and we'd say 'Oh God! Now the kitchen will be a mess!' He drooled over non-vegetarian and generally loved to eat. He made deadly biryani and mutton curry. That's what I remember the most about him.


He would go berserk when one of us fell ill - he would keep bringing in one doctor after the other till we became well. But food… that was his single most important obsession! Fried stuff was banned for him. But he wouldn't listen and dug into his favourite fried potatoes with absolute abandon. We have this thing in Calcutta called muri which is dipped in chane ka aata (gram flour) and eaten. He loved it and he'd have this flour and mirchi all over his face – just like a child but he didn't care. He would gorge into till as long as he wanted to.


He was so ordinary in his behaviour that it wouldn't occur to us that there was anything special about him. He loved to hang around in his shorts and he had a little paunch and he looked so sweet. One day he was in his shorts outside the house washing the car. A producer came and asked for him. He got a little cheeky and said: 'Oh yes, he must be inside!' So the man came in and we told him dad was outside. You can imagine his embarrassment seeing dad only in his shorts washing the car but dad just laughed!


Today when he is no more I wish so much that I had spent more time understanding his music - his thoughts and what made him compose the way he did. I knew he was a genius but it didn't mean so much when he was around. Now, I wish I could have learnt more from him. I now realise people will take another century to really understand his work.


Dad loved Rabindra Sangeet too and he was so upset when the poet passed away that he didn't eat for a whole month and walked without chappals. He enjoyed the music of Vanraj Bhatia, Iliyaraja and Madan Mohan. I believe a huge portrait of my father hangs in Iliyaraja's house. Such was his openness that he enjoyed listening to all kinds of music – some years ago the number Ek do teen char… from Tezaab, became very popular and we kids were criticising it when he said 'Listen to it… Why has it become so popular? There's a fabulous rhythm and scanning there… hear it and see how attractive it is!'


He taught us to recognise and understand what made something so popular.


For him Lata Mangeshkar was like Ma Saraswati – he didn't have to worry about scales and pitches when he was composing for her because he knew she could sing anything. I personally think the song she sang for dad in Annadaata is just fabulous - Raaton ke saaye has beautiful arrangement – and has been rendered equally well. I think the way dad has used Lataji's voice was simply wonderful. Like in the Half Ticket, he used her to do the interlude which just has her crooning hahahaha.... He adapted this bit from a Russian dance and she sang it to perfection.


Yesudas sang a lot for dad and he made sure he gave him a range that suited him. Once Kishore Kumar was got a little upset when dad asked him for his pitch. But dad just said a song could sound marvellous if one sang within one's pitch and gave him the Guzar jaaye din din din….


Dad belonged to IPTA (Indian People's Theatre Association) and composed a lot of music for their movement, their freedom struggle etc - so there are sections to his music he enjoyed composing for choir music and you'd see him a lot on Doordarshan conducting the CPC choirs. He often said that if he wasn't married he'd have been able to do so much more and I'd say but then you wouldn't have had us! And he would agree saying 'you're my ribs!'


He wanted me to sing and taught me to aim high. He loved sports and often mouthed Mohammad Ali's famous line –'I'm the greatest!' He believed that you could achieve anything if you believed in yourself. He also taught me to compose in case I got the opportunity. So, I composed with him for a couple of TV serials like Daraar and Kurukshetra etc. I played the keyboards and learnt a lot from him. I learnt only then how much creativity and imagination it takes to compose to a given scene so as to uplift and highlight it. It is a lot more difficult than singing. It was a lesson for me to see him put his heart into composing even for a small budget serial.


He even sang well and was a great admirer of Ustad Faiyyaz Khan - I remember him getting up early in the morning and singing. I shared a wonderful relationship with him - I could confide in him and tell him anything. But he could be strict too - he'd make sure I got up early and did my riyaz and went for a walk. He called me Manna and even today I feel he's with me.


Unlike composers of today, dad did his own musical arrangements. In Western music, he'd moved beyond the major and minor chords. Just before he passed away, he was experimenting with chord 11 and 13 etc. He loved the complexity of it all. But in personal life, dad was utterly simple - you'd never know he was such a genius."

Edited by Qwest - 19 years ago

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