CLONES - A DATABASE - Page 14

Originally posted by: Musiqar

As I have said in an earlier post that MK had the ability to reach high notes but could not sustain at that level for the any length of time. Contrary to what many think Mukeshji too had a high range and was excellent at bass. But did not or could not experiment at high levels. Lack of experimentation is the inability of the voice to maintain at such a pitch for a long period of time. Most singers who try and do this end up getting shrill . This is what sets Rafi apart from other male singers. Rafi when reaching high pitches could not only maintain that pitch but his voice continued getting better at that level which is why he could experiment with different notes in his songs when singing at a high pitch.
Rafi had the ability to maintain a bass voice and has showed this in many of his songs. Infact he had the ability to sing in a bass voice and reach a very high pitch at the same time.

Most singers experiment with their voices at their normal range or with lower notes because they know their voices are suited to that level. Experimentation with higher notes is very difficult and requires excessive training.
SPBalsubramanya made a comment one time that when he listens to Rafi he doesn't even feel like half a singer. Such was the ability of that man to reach different levels which is proof of the fact that the majority of male singers consider Rafi to be their idol.

In 'O Duniya Ke Rakhwale', the original song was set at a very high pitch that is very hard to replicate. SPB made a comment about this song and described it as "impossible" when you hear the last part of it. The levels at which he has sung this song requires a singer who can scale all notes efectively and maintain that level. When Rafi sang this song at a concert in 1979, in Bangalore which I attended he brought in a new raaga into the song and made up his own tune for the part "Mehal Udas" which was very mind-blowing. Rafi had such a deep knowledge of classical raaga's that he was able to do this. The original of this song is very very hard to replicate and only a rare talent such as Rafi can come close to singing this song.

Yes, undoubtedly Rafi Sahab was the greatest of all. I have that version of Mahal Udas....he is fantastic. This is what singing is all about.👏

Originally posted by: adwarakanath

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I have a live recording of that concert. Audio only.

Thank you AD for reading. I too had one but still looking in my suitcases, as I moved a few times switching countries.

qwertyji, you are refuting the facts. These are proven and certified facts...certified by experts..more qualified than you and me. Some things in life we have to accept and live with. Howmuchever you say it is not possible, it is there for all to hear. Yes, from your point of view it is impossible, but we never claimed you are Rafi Sahab, in the first place.. No offence plz. These are beliefs. We Rafi Fanatics believe in him.

Originally posted by: qwertyasdfgh

I would be highly obliged of you can give me some link to enrich my knowledge about these things.. I am not trying to challenge your claim.. but am searching for valid info on this.... 😊

sure.

Originally posted by: qwertyasdfgh

Definitely its not impossible to reach 3.5 octaves even for you and me but to sustain a melody at that pitch is the beauty of these classical singers... You or I can go to Qila rai pithora and give a 3.5 octave scream.... veri easilly..just need to have first aid ready... 😆

Common qwertyji, this is an insulting thing to say. It means all these greats were shreiking at 3.5...singing implies, they continue to hold melody at that range too.

Don't get sarcastic...we will give you links,bcz that is the way to go about this. We saying something, you refuting it, is not the way. that will be endless. Give us time.

In the meantime, why don't you research and give us the link where it is said, Rafi sahab has not reached 3.5, but only has reached only 2.5, or whatever that you have claimed.😊

Originally posted by: qwertyasdfgh

r u reading what i write end to end - read the bold part - these singers are just too for me be cast aspersions on their ability - how could misconstrue my statement so much..... 😭

Man this is not about crazy SRGMP and debu and vinit that i will resort to sarcasm... 😆 😆

Also, again if you read my posts carefully all i am saying is about our physical ability to sing as human being...and a calculated guess about Rafi's range... 😊 😕

ok. Lets get clear here. Are we talking about human beings reaching that 3.5 in general or just Rafi Sahab, and Lataji in particular. You are really confusing me here.😕

And your earlier part did imply that what is so great abt 3.5, even we can do it. Is this argument not about Rafi Sahab, Lataji reaching 3.5 octave....You added a touch of sarcasm to it, but the underlying meaning remains the same.😊 Again no offense.

Originally posted by: qwertyasdfgh

Beautiful - thanks for pointing it out... my 3 favorite rafi.. i dont know how many have heard
1. Aaj purani - aadmi - unsurpassable
2. Maine rakha hai muhabbat - Shabnam - even mehmood looks divine cos of this playback 😆
3. Sau baar janam lenge.. - another immaculate song

Dear qwertyji, the examples that you have pointed out speaks volumes about how little you know about Rafi Sahab. I really mean no offense here. I am sure every body has heard those songs upteem number of times. There are far far superior songs that he has sung, which has established him as the Best that ever was and the best that ever will be.

Originally posted by: qwertyasdfgh

ok here is what i said - 95 percent of all singers sing in upto 2.5-2.75 octaves... some can reach 3 octaves and sound melodious...like Lata, or 3.5 octaves lieke Parveen sulatana... or use a falsetto and reach 4 octaves.. like the opera singers.... Rafi I believe oculdnt have more than 2.75 on his range.. at least for now...until i get some more info... 😊

When i said we could scream to span 3.5 octaves I just meant that if we have to span a range of 3.5 we can but then we wont be melodious and will require first aid... 😆

plzz read yourself what you are writing. you are again comparing yourself to Rafi Sahab and saying that even you can reach 3.5, if only by screaming. It means what is so great abt it, Rafi could have reached 3.5, but could not have held his voice and sounded melodious.And yes, not to forget,the first aid part. A joke is one which is understiood by both the sides and I fail to understand what is so funny here.

And to end the matter, until the time you are ill informed about the facts, are we to believe and accept that Rafi Sahab could not have reached and sang as well at that 3.5. That he has merely reached 2.5. If you yourself claim by"until I get some more info" that your knowledge is not complete, how do you enter in to the argumeant?

Originally posted by: qwertyasdfgh

like which???

ok, listen to his foll songs, I am not claiming he has reached any particular octave here, but this is to establish that he was endowed witha massive range and a equally gifted voice.

-bichade sabhi baari baari

-insan bano karalo bhalai ka koi kaam

-aye muhobbat zindabad

-zanana zanan baje payaliya

-baat chalat nahi chunari rang dari re

-tu hai mera prem devata

-na to caravan ki talash hai

-tu hindu banega na musalman banega.

ok qwerty ji, i have given you a list of songs, any comments?