AR R won GG ; 3 nominations for the oscars! pg38 - Page 4

Originally posted by: holymary

Make it a practice not to bring in to discussion the paki artists whoever they are. Atif or whosoever is from pak is out of discussion - period. pakistan sends jihadis and bombs one one and artists on the other hand for them to make money and exploit India's generosity. The music industry is oversupplied with artists - it is spread so thin that talented Indian singers like Sonu or Shreya are not getting work and we have to accomodate these people - let them find some other line of work if there is not enough opportunity in their country.

@ Bhaskar m

Luckily I am not the only pagla there are others like Amitabh Bachchan (wearing fierce pride up sleeve) who think we shouldn't see too much into Oscars. Read it if you care.

Originally posted by: Bhaskar M.

Hey Ram!!! Kaise kaise paagal log hain is duniya mein?!

I don't even know where to begin but I will give it a try.

I don't know what "hullabo" means. I think you meant to say hullabaloo.

Nobody is in the business of giving certificates to anybody, not in the least Golden Globes and HOLLYWOOD FOREIGN PRESS ASSOCIATION. A bunch of movies were nominated out of which they picked winners in each category based on a consensus. Whether you agree or not, it's very prestigious. So are Oscars. Entertainers from all over the world clamor for these awards. It's like a Nobel prize for them. If you have the right connections, which I doubt you do, ask Rehman or Aamir or Shahrukh and they will tell you what it means to bag such a coveted award.

Let me give you an analogy. Sachin tendulkar could be the best cricketer in his gully and you might know him personally and think he's the best in the world. But unless he makes tons of runs on the toughest pitches around the world (yes, that includes the grounds belonging to "Goras") and unless he faces the toughest bowlers from all parts of the world (again, that includes some "gora" bowlers as well), he will not be considered the best. That's the way it is. If he consistently scores centuries in some Ranji trophy matches, he might or might not be considered the best. On the other hand, if he consistently scores centuries against Australia, New Zealand and South Africa he will put himself in a situation to be considered the best.

Rahman didn't go looking for awards. The awards came to him. A filmfare (highly dubious and highly questionable) still means something but NOT the same as a Golden Globe or an Oscar. Take it or leave it.

As for your comments on the movie itself, well that's your prerogative. The movie is a celebration of love, life and hope but I wouldn't expect people like you to understand that. But let me ask you this. Have you questioned Traffic Signal by Madhur Bhandarkar? Have you questioned Salaam Bombay by Mira Nair? Have you questioned Satyajit Ray movies? Do you even know what the underlying theme is in those movies?

Whether you agree or not, what's portrayed in the movie regarding Mumbai is what the reality is.

Coming back to the award, it's a wonderful thing for brand Rahman. He will get a better exposure now to the international audience thru this award. Again an analogy for the intellectually challenged. Unless you have a certificate or an award on your resume, it's tough to market yourself in this world. If I work in Saki Naka in Mumbai and get a paper certificate and try to score a big contract with a multi nationalcompany, it ain't happening. On the other hand, if I work for say, IBM and patent a couple of ideas and become employee of the year or something and then look to move on to other greener pastures, the IBM experience and rewards will be extremely helpful to further my goals and ambitions.

Bottomline, this is a great thing to happen to Rahman and all sane individuals from India should celebrate this.

Originally posted by: Indradhanush

PS I am not against the award but against attaching too much importance to the awards from West . I again say Bollywood and its music doesn't need them to survive. BTW why was Lagaan music not noticed (I think it was an Oscar nominee) that was also by ARR. Hmm ..

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

Slumdog Millionaire is an HOLLYWOOD movie, sir. Hence its being recognized in Golden Globe. Lagaan was a Bollywood movie, why would it receive recognition in the Golden Globes? If Lagaan was a Hollywood movie then it would most definitely have received recognition there. Now, coming back to ARR's talent. You're right, Slumdog Millionaire may not be ARR's best work, but from what I know, this is ARR's first successful Hollywood project. Think about it this way, if ARR's less talented work is receiving so much recognition, then in the future, wouldn't his even more prestigious work will receive even more recognition, do you see where I'm coming from?

AB remains the unchallenged super icon and if he is saying some thing it has to be serious. Regarding his credentials or he copies Al Pacino or not I think bigger movie buffs would comment honestly.

Originally posted by: Indradhanush

Another very interesting article:

http://news.id.msn.com/entertainment/article.aspx?cp-documentid=2069263

India is claiming "Slumdog Millionaire" as its own after the film's Golden Globes success and is eagerly awaiting next month's Oscars, amid suggestions that it could prompt a change of direction in Bollywood. Indian media coverage of the film has eclipsed even that for the country's official entry for the Oscars -- actor-director Aamir Khan's "Taare Zameen Par" (Stars on Earth) -- and is likely to reach fever pitch in the coming weeks.

Originally posted by: Indradhanush

AB remains the unchallenged super icon and if he is saying some thing it has to be serious. Regarding his credentials or he copies Al Pacino or not I think bigger movie buffs would comment honestly.

This is a fact that West wants to see India (and S Asian states as such ) through prism of poverty, corruption, slum, communal riots etc. Here is an article on the movies from Bollywood nominated for Oscar till now and make decision yourself.

http://www.helium.com/items/144230-bollywood-movies-nominated-for-oscars

Was Satyajit Ray's creation any inferior or was Lagaan any bad movie? What about TZP or Wednesday: great great movies, most of them failed to get recognition on OScar front and reasons are not difficult to guess, now in light of this development I would take any appreciation by gora only with pinch of salt, this is the reason why Amitabh Bachchan thinks on the similar line. I feel pained when I see our people jumping down and up with XYZ prizes because they are coming from the house of US et al.

Though digressing from the topic I would add that this over dependence on West is the reason we have not been able to prevent any further terrorist attacks on our country irrespective of our cabinet ministers running with dossiers (toilet papers) all over.

Now back to music: songs of Lagaan (nominated for Oscar) actually were strict raag based at least two songs are based on raag Kafi one on Bhimpalasi, Our Hindustani classical is far more evolved than any other form of music, we shouldn't be looking towards West for its recognition. Honestly to me ARR is the best at the moment, he gets an award or not doesn't matter, now it is the other thing his compositions are going downhill.