SRGM goes berserk to promote Karzzzzzzzzz - Page 12

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

Originally posted by: Summer3

Yes a lot of his current songs have the country and western type of flavour with systematic rhythm and beat. It also has a lot of punch and his "Naam Hai Tera" is lovely and unforgettable. It just reverberates throughout the body and soul.
His previous works were entirely different and more varied like songs from "Tere Naam"

Originally posted by: punjini

Thanks! I think you have analysed the limitations in Himesh's music brilliantly.

However, I would like to add that I am not always impressed by AR Rahman's unpredictable, complex music. Often, I find it lacks beauty and a soul - it sounds just too 'busy' if I can put it that way.

Coming to RD, I agree with you completely. He could make even the weird chords sound so smooth! How come no one can do it like him? Of course I know he plagiarised a lot; still he could take a basic tune and make it so brilliant.

Originally posted by: ReemAnshu

......I dont lower anyone diginity while criticising them, i believe in that.

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Not really. Going by your posts here, all you seem to be doing is getting personal with those who don't agree with you or your pov and take personal digs at their expense over and over and over again. Below are some examples from ONLY this thread. Read on.......

Originally posted by: ReemAnshu

The 'mistake' you make is to compare AMitabh with anyone else, he is beyond comparison and out of this world. I am his biggest fan. U compare him with HR (who is into his 2nd film) that is the mistake. And what skin of the character are you talking ??? I can give u so many examples of the best actors hamming away to glory, an actor is good but he is dependant on the role in the movie. You must go see BOOM and see how much in what skin is amitabh. But dont compare AB with HR, it is a blunder.

I also like Big B a lot but I am not a fanatic fan. There are others I like equally, like Shabana and Manoj Bajpai and actin-wise, I find them at par with Big B. Third time in a row - since you seem to be missing this point over and over again - I am not comparing AB the actor with HR the actor. I compared AB, Naseer, Sallu, Sunny, Bobby, Aftab THE PROFESSIONALS with HR , the prfessional ( if we can even call him that). One blunder here or there is human but creating an "image" on blunders after blunders.....😆

So why dont you try ? Anyways I will say that AB is a better actor than Aftab surely, but I will not say that he is 3rd class or low class or anything. I dont lower anyone diginity while criticising them, i believe in that. Nor I will say that those who love Aftab are low class and those who love AB are high class.

I never called Aftab third class😆 I said he is a B-class movies' actor YET he has lot more class than HR and carries himself with lot more grace. Once again, spelling out the drivel here - one sees a lot of failed professionals handling themselves with lot more grace and class than commercially successful HR.

Bolded part - your words not mine. Ab agar michi aap ko iss liye lag rahee hai ki aap ek third class bandey ko like karteen hain toh kaheen aap ko bhi aisa na samjha jaye, which I never even hinted...I never called his fans third class, toh iss mein hum kuchh naheen ker saktey😆

The same way how AB, Sunny, salman are not relevant here but u brought them in the discussion.

Once again, explained above the drivel related to these names😆 Hope you get it this time around😛

Anyways, I do pay attention to what he says and what he says is from the heart and honest. He has no qualms about anything. I dont know what is your twisted deff of class and so I dont know what scene can i point out, because to you a criminal like Salman is classy. Need I say more, as it is I have said that I do not label people as high class or low class.

I never brought in HR's personal life in discussion. I still maintain he is third class when it comes to being a singer and actor. You wanna dice up a super star's personal life - your choice. I'll not go there as my intention was always comparing the professionalism and public handling of themselves😊 I loved Sallu's movies and loved the way he handles himself in dus ka dum. Can't say the same about HR though.

I will only say that there are many scenes where I thought HR was true and was speaking from his heart. Dont have to go far, when Asma yesterday told about her parents, and HR instant reaction was itself coming from his heart.

😆😆 I found him fake there but o'well! BTW, How genuine he looked to you while shouting for mussarat's roti aur vinit's pyar😛
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I dont know about his lack of class but I can surely say that lack of vocab in todays youth is a cause of concern.

Are we assuming again and guessing the other person's age etc.? Let's stick to HR and spare the IFians here😉

Jab point nahi mila, toh lets stick to the show ! well i did not get in salman and others into the discussion. I was only sticking to commenting on HR. But if u give examples of your so called class about certain people, i can also give my views.

Sure sure😆 I gave examples and you jumped right into their personal life totally neglecting their professional demeanor and class. Great way to debate😛

I can see your frustration on the lack of arguement. When people dont have anything logical to say they start saying things like these.

Frustrated who - me - naaahh. You don't see me resorting to personal attacks on you - do you😛 Ab khud hee socho frustrated kaun😉 socho socho 😆😆

Ok so thats what you have been doing till now ?? Example is above. Thanks for clarifying. My comment is logical as I have tangible proofs. Sirf hawa main baat nahi karti main.

Fellow posters per usually personal attacks insaan tabhi karta hai jab uss ki hawa nikal rahee hoti hai😆

This is what I call wishful thinking. There have been many critics who had said that HR's film career will be super flop and his first film will be out of screen on day 1. Well need i say that those critics were eating humble pie. This comment of HR's success being shortlived, I am hearing from 2005 and I do not know what people mean is 'short term'. Its been 3-4 years now.

Wow, somebody believes that buying HRs music is a fad ! I think people in India, spend their hard earned money wisely and not because of fads. They buy what they like and what they want. This FAD is a myth.

The sales of his so called hit cds have definitely gone down...way down. As far as movies, I have not heard anyone - I repeat - anyone worth their salt praising his acting skills OR singing skills for that matter. He sucks big time at both and this is no myth.

I am saying TODAY as he has come into the industry only few years ago and got decent position only after terenaam. So hence TODAY. How can I call him a veteran or say his music is evergreen, because for that we will have to wait for 20-30 years and see.

His Tere Naam and Banaras will be remembered for a long time to come. Unfortunately, he prostitutionized his skills as a composer for the want of money and cheap fame.

I can see how desperate you are in trying to impose your view onto me (as marked above), but like i said each person has his opinion. If one expects others to respect his view then he has to expect the others view aswell.

Nope. I am not at all desperate and neither do I want to convince or convert you. I have been saying from my very first post that we all have our own tastes. I am merely pointing out why your HR praises are TOTALLY baseless. I really don't give a damn about who you like or hear but if you start praising them to skies on a public forum - you better have some rhyme or reason besides your personal taste. People start attacking others when they are desperate. We all know who has been going around here attacking fellow IFians and going after the personal lives of people used as examples here😆 That, to me, is height of desperation😆

Yes, she was not. But you said in your last post that no one hears to Bappi da Today and I proved to you that its not the case.

You don't find people buying Bappi da's cds today - means majority have forgotten his disco era songs that were a rage at that time. Drivel was that HR's ABA etc will be forgotten in a similar way. Good songs are remebered though - like gori hain kalayina example you gave below just like HR's Tere Naam and Banaras etc. will be remebered. Kapish now or still lost😉

The Head of the country is wanting to hear him today (i give her ex as it is published in newspapers and I can prove my point that he is still heard, i could have said that I still hear his songs but then it would not qualify as proof)

Uffffff....missed the drivel again!!!! Read my posts again. I was talking about his disco era songs and comparing them to HR's sorry excuses for "songs" of late😆

Do you agree with me or not when I say, "Bhappi's songs like I am disco dancer are not popular today"

Answer in YES or NO and you'll see who is being random here😊

No I am not agreeing. If you mean, is it being sold then 'no' but if you mean, is it popular or heard then 'YES". Even my 10 year old niece has heard his songs and forced me to buy the cd of "Gori hai kaliyan".

YES or NO only...and don't bring in other songs. I expalined the reason above😆

I agree that RDB & ARR give great music, where I have ever said anything which suggests something else. I am saying that ARR / RDB / VS / SEL / HR are all good composers.

NO, HR does not belong to that class anymore. He lost it when he sold his soul for chand chandi key tukdey and cheap gimmicks. Please do not insult ARR, RDB, SEL and even VS by putting HR's name along with them. HR's name belongs with the likes of Rakhi Sawant/Mika Singh/Mallika Sherawat - the "paisey key liye sala kuchh bhi kareyga" clan😉

Sometimes they give extraordinary score sometimes not, but it does not mean they are not good. I toh even feel that when Anu Malik gives original music, his music too is great. How can u be restrictive in music, music is to be loved and I love music from diff MD's

I am glad you brought in Anu Malik's name here. He is one MD whose music, some of it, I love but I can't stand Anu Malik the person. The whole debate started when you claimed that HR is "loved" by the masses because his music sells. Well, all I am saying is that one can like the work but still not "love" the artist. Anu Malik is the perfect example. But even he has more class than HR. I still like some of the music HR composed but I can't stand him as a person. There are others who don't like his singing/acting but are not averse to his personality. At the same time, there are some who just can't stand him or his work. Just because his recent gimmicks got sold doesn't mean people love him.



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Originally posted by: ktktktkt

hey why don't you guys see the positive side of this (if you don't like Himesh that is). he's not doing any music outside of the films he's acting in so you have to hear him less often compared to the last two years. 😊

ek saal baad to bechare ki koi album aayi hai... let him have his moment.😆

Masand's Verdict: Karzzzz, a lazy rip-off

Rajeev Masand / CNN-IBN

Published on Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 22:51, Updated on Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 10:53 in Entertainment section

Cast: Himesh Reshammiya, Urmila Matondkar, Shweta Kumar, Dino Morea, Danny Denzongpa, Rohini Hattangadi, Raj Babbar

Direction: Satish Kaushik

I never thought the day would come when I'd feel sympathy for Dino Morea, especially since he's inflicted such terrible performances on us in his short but shameful acting career. But after watching Karzzzz, I have to say my heart went out to the poor guy even though he doesn't perform much better this time.

To be cast as a character who's bumped off prematurely only to be reborn in the body of Himesh Reshammiya is a humiliation nobody deserves........................................................................

The new Karzzzz doesn't work because it has no soul. It's a lazy rip-off where everything from characters to dialogues has been more-or-less duplicated, the only changes being superficial ones which grate rather than update..................................................

And pray who is going to digest Himesh Reshammiya playing a 25-year-old while Urmila's meant to be, what, 50?..............

.......................................The film feels like a showcase of the worst ensemble acting you've ever seen. Every single actor – the leads, the supporting cast, even the junior artistes who appear in insignificant bit roles seem to be trying to outdo each other in the over-acting department................................

His body language is awkward, his facial expressions are contorted, and his dialogue delivery lacks modulation. Suffice to say he doesn't hold a candle to Rishi Kapoor who pulled off the original film on the strength of his charm alone. Yet it's only Himesh who actually appears convinced about the plot and it's only him who seems to want to make this film work.

Much of the appeal of Subhash Ghai's Karz lay in its timeless music – who can forget such evergreen hits as Om Shanti Om, Dard-e-dil and Ek hasina thi?

Himesh Reshammiya's remake has catchy numbers in his signature style, but it's unlikely that we'll be humming tunes like Tandoori Nights and Lutt jaoon twenty years from now.

.........................................................I'm going with one out of five for director Satish Kaushik's Karzzzz. I wouldn't even recommend it as a film that's so bad it might be fun.

This one's just plain bad and I recommend you stay far away.

Rating: 1 / 5 (Poor)

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/masands-verdict-karzzzz-a-lazy-ripoff---pics/76105-8-p1.html

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Looks like the exact same thing written about the "catchy" music that I have been saying again and again. Remember Hawa hawa O hawa song? I don't blame you if you don't. It used to be on pretty much everyone's lips during early 90's....was a chart topper too, just like Bappi da's I'm A Disco Dancer but no where today. This is precisely what will happen to all those so called "chartbusters" the HR fans are claiming as the root cause for masses "loving" HR😆😆😆 These types of songs are called "catchy" because they catch the fancy. They, however, fail to make a dent and fade as soon as they rose. Flukes should not be termed as successe😉

Thanks Rafifan#1 for posting this link in one of your threads. that highlighetd line about Karzzzz songs pretty much put the nail in the head😃