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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar



LOL well I was trying to put it diplomatically...I can think of a few more choice words but this forum won't take it too kindly, so😆

But since you've said it...yes, she comes across as remarkably SELF-ABSORBED, SELFISH and OBTUSE. It is indeed VERY ironical that in a hate wedding scenario which is generally thrown into shows to garner sympathy for the female lead by making her cry and raise TRPs, it is the hero's POV, his pain that we are sympathizing with...cuz nothing comes through from Paro other than "This is how I see it"...not once does she bother seeing the ramifications of her actions, her behavior.

I'm also amazed by how remarkably obsessed she is with shaadi and how childishly she views it...like a 6 year old playing with her dolls might view it...she seems more enamored by the CONCEPT of marriage rather than the person she's getting married to...I'm yet to see her showing any true understanding of the man she claims to love...such that everything that comes out of her mouth ends up looking farcical.

Maybe cuz in the attempt to do a "different" sort of hate wedding wherein the heroine doesn't exactly hate the hero, the writers have lost the plot a bit...Paro's already shaky characterization suffers more in the bargain.



Exactly. You hit the nail on the head. She is more enamored by the idea of marriage than the actual person she is married to. In her rose tinted world of destiny, and soul mates, and happily ever afters she has crafted this scenario in her head that Rudra and her are meant to be together, and that's that, there is simply no other way but her way. Its so unbelievably childish!

I still don't get how she fell in love with him so fast. This was the man who treated her horribly, tortured her emotionally, made unwanted sexual advances on her during that farce wedding week, and she forgets all of that in a jiffy. Okay, granted he meant well along. But that should give rise to respect, gratitude, and maybe infatuation to some extent, and maybe even affection a serious dose of Stockholm syndrome later. But love? Naaah. She doesn't love him. Not yet. If she did then she wouldn't be so blind to his pain, to his plight.

Also, where's her sense of being violated, being forced to act against her wishes? She doesn't seem to care two hoots about the fact that her husband (by force might I add)claims to hate her very sight, thinks she is a cheat and fraud, and has promised her life long misery. She is least bothered by all this and is happily playing wife? What are the writers sniffing again? 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: laddoo598


Exactly. You hit the nail on the head. She is more enamored by the idea of marriage than the actual person she is married to. In her rose tinted world of destiny, and soul mates, and happily ever afters she has crafted this scenario in her head that Rudra and her are meant to be together, and that's that, there is simply no other way but her way. Its so unbelievably childish!

I still don't get how she fell in love with him so fast. This was the man who treated her horribly, tortured her emotionally, made unwanted sexual advances on her during that farce wedding week, and she forgets all of that in a jiffy. Okay, granted he meant well along. But that should give rise to respect, gratitude, and maybe infatuation to some extent, and maybe even affection a serious dose of Stockholm syndrome later. But love? Naaah. She doesn't love him. Not yet. If she did then she wouldn't be so blind to his pain, to his plight.

Also, where's her sense of being violated, being forced to act against her wishes? She doesn't seem to care two hoots about the fact that her husband (by force might I add)claims to hate her very sight, thinks she is a cheat and fraud, and has promised her life long misery. She is least bothered by all this and is happily playing wife? What are the writers sniffing again? 😆



From what I gather, the writers are TRYING to go for an INNOCENT character when it comes to Paro...a girl so innocent, so pure in her intentions, emotions that she doesn't quite COMPREHEND layered personalities vis a vis Rudra...the brief they seem to be going with is that she's the foil to Rudra's emotional/trust/abandonment issues/hangups...but unfortunately there is MAJOR jhol in execution...none of this comes across...half the time I have to really scramble to make sense of this.

Wasn't that exactly Rudra's point? How can a girl who hated him so much for mistreating her for so many days magically fall in love with him overnight and want to marry him? The story is heading in such a direction that I only find myself nodding along with Rudra's outbursts at her sheer stupidity cuz what he says makes complete sense.

I can even swallow some of Paro's divine destiny jaap to a certain extent...again I'll use the word simple-minded cuz to her things really ARE that simple it seems.

What I want to see from the writers though is some evolution...in their quest to show Paro as this pristine, innocent doll type character, they aren't realizing that there needs to be some layering in her characterization as well in order to make the love story work...ziddi clashes are also fun only when there is SOME brainpower behind it...right now only Rudra seems to be getting the few brains available in this set of characterizations and Paro is zero on that front...Her inane babbling and sobbing really don't inspire much sympathy unless there is SOME sense behind it.

Paro claims to be in love with him and wants to be with him at any cost...do you really think she will then complain about being FORCED to marry him? She gave up on that right when she all but thrust herself at him and told him to marry her in front of 150 or whatever people...she may have gone all "Teri Deewani" in her own eyes and lit up with mad love but on ground toh she threw herself at him and demanded he marry her, no? So then what is she going to cry about?

I found it laughable yesterday also that she was busy playing dress up at home with his mother's sari, his mother's jewellery...clearly this girl lives in her own world...then by what stretch can we expect her to show ANY real understanding of the GROUND realities of being married to such a complicated man?

No wonder Rudra feels like bashing his head in a wall half the time...how do you get through to someone who's THAT obtuse in the name of "innocence" and "zidd"?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#13
@ AY
Just saw the apisode- absolute mindf**ed!
It was utter nonsense- absolute nonsensical- seriously what are the writers sniffing? If they are trying to show that She is THAT innocent- its just not coming across at all!

Today it seemed like they put together the screen play 5 min before- or may be they were just flowing along- achha hate over- aansun over- now play happy shehnai music- bahu ghar aayi hai?!!!! God- absolute disconnect- arre ek episode ke liye toh sabko sad rehne dete! And that Sunerhri - going all Hip Hip Hurray- BHABHI? Total mindf*kery! Today even Rudra seemed all over the place to me- after the pheras- not convincing at all! And they dont show Paro remembering her maami-sa, thakurain maasa- all those that mattered to her- even fleetingly in her mind- ki I am getting MARRIED LIKE THIS! Paro ka toh caricature bana diya hai- it was really as if she was actually sort of gaga later- Hai meri Shaadi- Hai Meri first night!! Show her inner turmoil- her inner revulsion ki this man I revered- did this? Really show something that makes her alittle believable for god's sake

I have never watched any Saurabh Tiwari shows earlier- is that what he does generally- make the female leads so blas?

Edited by CyberOstrich - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#14

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@Dexterocks: That is the biggest irony to me right now...Paro claims to love him, be his soulmate, destined to be with him but she's unable to understand HIS pain even ONE bit...infact it's quite amazing that in this whole epi, even after Rudra shows and even talks about his pain quite categorically, no one blinks an eye and instead they get busy doing grihapravesh?😕

exactly my thought . leave Paro, even none of the family members, esp Danveer, none of them has any kind of supportive gesture for Rudra, moreover they irritate him like hell by constantly siding with Paro and telling that she is innocent. Rudra had enough of Paro and her innocence, he did pay a huge price for that, and its unfortunate when he is hurt, he has expressed it in a drunken state, still no1 bothers to think about his perspective including Paro. She was more like, the marriage has happened, i got my soulmate . But what soulmate when you do not even realize the turmoil and suffering he went through and nor do you attempt to know about it. Atleast in that case i understand Rudra more, whenever he sees Paro in trouble, we get a valid reaction from his side, that somehow proves that he loves her but he denies to accept it, but in case of Paro she screams her lungs about her divine love for Rudra, but her actions always fail to create any impact which makes us believe that yes she is madly in love with him. From the situation, i can only depict Rudra being madly in love with her and madly angry with her.

I could have understood everything else about Paro if they had shown her having SOME understanding, SOME perceptiveness regarding Rudra's state of mind...but there is just a BLANK in Paro when it comes to that...like nothing exists in her mind except shaadi and being his patni...what is the point of wanting to be his wife if Paro can't even begin to understand his state of mind? 😕

ANd the fact that she does not even try to consider his opinion worsens the matter. heck no1 cares to consider Rudra's opinion, that why he is denying, why he does not want to marry, seems like his consent does not matter at all as long as Paro and her innocence is viable . She definitely does not understand him, otherwise till this time she would realise that he has love for her, much more and pasionate love than that off hers for him. and yes Love is not about being vocal or winning it, it can also be about denial and letting it go for the sake of the person you love, Rudra falls in the second category while Paro falls under the first one, atleast from the current situations.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: CyberOstrich

@ AY

Just saw the apisode- absolute mindf**ed!
It was utter nonsense- absolute nonsensical- seriously what are the writers sniffing? If they are trying to show that She is THAT innocent- its just not coming across at all!

Today it seemed like they put together the screen play 5 min before- or may be they were just flowing along- achha hate over- aansun over- now play happy shehnai music- bahu ghar aayi hai?!!!! God- absolute disconnect- arre ek episode ke liye toh sabko sad rehne dete! And that Sunerhri - going all Hip Hip Hurray- BHABHI? Total mindf*kery! Today even Rudra seemed all over the place to me- after the pheras- not convincing at all! And they dont show Paro remembering her maami-sa, thakurain maasa- all those that mattered to her- even fleetingly in her mind- ki I am getting MARRIED LIKE THIS! Paro ka toh caricature bana diya hai- it was really as if she was actually sort of gaga later- Hai meri Shaadi- Hai Meri first night!! Show her inner turmoil- her inner revulsion ki this man I revered- did this? Really show something that makes her alittle believable for god's sake

I have never watched any Saurabh Tiwari shows earlier- is that what he does generally- make the female leads so blas?



LOL this is a first even for an ST show that I've seen a female character THIS mindless...I've seen both his previous shows and the female lead was never shown THIS stupidly...RR is a first that way in terms of ST shows😆

Problem is that RR is a very watered down version of LTL in many ways😆...I feel like they are vaguely trying to go for a Nakku type character with Paro...cuz contrast Paro's reaction today with Nakku's when Dutta married her in that fit of drunk rage...world of a difference...and what emoting from MV...Nakku's numbness, her pain, her shock, her heartbreak all came across so brilliantly.

But Paro's mind really doesn't seem to have anything but SHAADI in it...so where's the scope for any kind of nuanced reaction?😕

They need to give some THEHRAAV to the characters, their emotions in order for the audiences to CONNECT...but they are too busy zooming through...what was the need to jump to SR/grihapravesh within today's epi? They could have spent more of the epi focussing on Paro's emotions, her feelings but nope, nothing...it's like they couldn't care less😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: DexterRocks


exactly my thought . leave Paro, even none of the family members, esp Danveer, none of them has any kind of supportive gesture for Rudra, moreover they irritate him like hell by constantly siding with Paro and telling that she is innocent. Rudra had enough of Paro and her innocence, he did pay a huge price for that, and its unfortunate when he is hurt, he has expressed it in a drunken state, still no1 bothers to think about his perspective including Paro. Exactly...even people who are technically his family couldn't care less over the anguish he's going through...yes it's not Paro's fault directly but Rudra deserves a bit more empathy and understanding from his own uncle atleast who WITNESSED his humiliation firsthand! Why does that not matter to these people at all in their blind love for Paro?😕 Can anyone really blame Rudra then for acting up and lashing out in his drunken state like this...Is it any wonder then that Rudra considers all relationships a MOCKERY and a FARCE...cuz even people who claim to love him and care for him don't seem to understand his feelings one bit😕

She was more like, the marriage has happened, i got my soulmate . But what soulmate when you do not even realize the turmoil and suffering he went through and nor do you attempt to know about it. Atleast in that case i understand Rudra more, whenever he sees Paro in trouble, we get a valid reaction from his side, that somehow proves that he loves her but he denies to accept it, but in case of Paro she screams her lungs about her divine love for Rudra, but her actions always fail to create any impact which makes us believe that yes she is madly in love with him. SO true!



ANd the fact that she does not even try to consider his opinion worsens the matter. heck no1 cares to consider Rudra's opinion, that why he is denying, why he does not want to marry, seems like his consent does not matter at all as long as Paro and her innocence is viable . She definitely does not understand him, otherwise till this time she would realise that he has love for her, much more and pasionate love than that off hers for him. and yes Love is not about being vocal or winning it, it can also be about denial and letting it go for the sake of the person you love, Rudra falls in the second category while Paro falls under the first one, atleast from the current situations. I also wondered about this...why does no one bother really trying to delve into the reasons that Rudra doesn't want to get married? Paro talks about how he can't understand love cuz he's never received it but isn't love about understanding too? Where is SHE giving him the understanding then? Where were his feelings considered in all of this? Usually in TV shows they show the woman all majboor and coerced into stuff like marriage but in this show it's totally the opposite😕😆...here no one gives a damn about the man's feelings, his opinion as long as they get what they want...like in Paro's case, all she wanted was shaadi and she got it...by hook or by crook...or like she said...toffee deke ya dhamka ke...she's gotten her way😆

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: laddoo598

Simply minded? Naaah, she is just self absorbed. Right now she comes of as this person who is always all about her own self, what she feels, what she wants, how she wants it done, when she wants it done, and how she knows best. She baffles me!

In scenarios like this where a girl is literally arm twisted into marrying someone you are supposed to feel sympathy for her, and feel angry with the hero for violating her wishes, forcing her into a marriage wagera wagera. But I feel the complete opposite. I feel sorry for Rudra instead. 😆

Loonie residents of Ranawat haveli are no less. How they can go from being traumatized to blushing and giggling over Rudra and Paro's SR in the blink of an eye is beyond me. The only person who made sense was Mausam aunty, bas.


Word, could not agree with you more.
Yesterday there was a huge cry in this forum because most people sympathesized with Rudra, and then in Paro's defense members claimed that he is a cruel man who is dragging an innocent woman for marriage due to her unintentional blunders.
Firstly her actions were not unintentional at all, the one legged stand, the public proposal, constantly forcing herself over him was all done intentionally but with the hope of a positive outcome. But her intentional acts led to a negative outcome, as such that Rudra paid a huge price for it.
So when today he married her forcefully, she does not even react ? neither she feels bad for herself and nor for the major.
She claimed to love him and make him smile, but when he blasted out in grief and anger about how his dignity has been trashed, all she does is says " main kasam khati hoo k maine kuch nahi kiya ' ?? moreover, she sheds tears of self pity and not because her man suffered because of her dumb acts. I still bought it, then how to buy her ever so confusing and disconnected reaction after the marriage ?
Once she entered his room, she forgot everything and started behaving like a typical wife to him ? 😕. neither she felt angry at him, nor did she feel hurt for him, no sympathy for him ,. nothing, she failed to convey any emotion which a girl could have felt in such situation.


The only people whom i relate to are Rudra and Kakisa, Rudra's actions and words are in place, atleast he justified his action through yesterday's episode, his every word, esp about her fortune and his misfortune falls in place. Usually in such cases we end up pitying for the female lead, i guess this is the first time the female lead gets zero sympathy and male lead gets the higher score. Rudra is flawed, but he is human, his actions relate within his reach, he does not boast about his love and strength but still he does have those emotions inside him and he does utilize them for Paro .
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thats what even Rudra said na ? while Danveer started his Paro is innocent jaap, Rudra interrupted him and asked him to tell Paro that how Rudra was humilited and suspended, how his character was questioned. Danveer all he does is tells him to talk about this later ? not only this, even when Paro proposed Rudra in the ceremony, Rudra utters out his frustation to Danveer that what kind of love is this ? yesterday i was her hubby's killer, and then her saviour, and now her lover ? how is it possible ? All Danveer replies him is that Paro is gutsy to propose him with that doll in front of this much crowd.
I swear, anyone in Rudra's place would just bang their own head on a nearby wall.
Even when you see Dilsher, he gets up from coma, and first normal convo, he tells Rudra about how innocent Paro is ? He was in coma, he just got up, does he have even a simplest idea that what his son went through ? but he does not bother, he is more interested in hooking him up. and m sure, when tomorow dilsher returns, he will say nothing but that Rudra is faulty but lucky to get the innocent parvati and very conveniently he will escape the fact that Rudra lost his job, more than that his heart was stabbed several times, each time his badges was removed, each time his character was misjudged.
Thus as you said, is it really Rudra's fault if he is bitter to his father, who does not ask him about him but about how innocent paro is, neither his kakuksa, who saw the whole fiasco through his own eyes and still chose to ignore it, as if Rudra is tailor made to tolerate any sort of hurt and pain, but he cannot complain because he is Rudra right who is a cruel man.


coming back to Paro, once she propsed him, she had set a notion in her head that i am made for him, so its not a big matter if he does not love me, but we still will be together. amongst his family, maithili slightly tries and delves into Rudra's eyes, his actions, she finds out the reflection of his love for Paro, she does understand that he has feelings, but again all she does is encourages Paro with her self torturous and self obsessed acts. About Dislher, he is pity, pity as a parent, all he does is challenged mohini about how Rudra will produce kids to save this haveli. but did he ever try and ask his son that if he loves Paro then whats the repulsion for ? No, he will be more busy on how Paro will nurture Rudra, they are waiting for it and nothing else.
Lastly, its plane sad that Paro claims she understands him, but she cannot even read his eyes, she does not even realise that he loves her but something stops him from accepting it, and due to her constant forcing he is becoming more firm in his decision. Rudra no matter what he says or does, am quite sure that he will not be able to hurt Paro as much as he has promised, because in this love story he has been the more selfless, silent, restrained, passionate and the suffering one.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar



LOL this is a first even for an ST show that I've seen a female character THIS mindless...I've seen both his previous shows and the female lead was never shown THIS stupidly...RR is a first that way in terms of ST shows😆

Problem is that RR is a very watered down version of LTL in many ways😆...I feel like they are vaguely trying to go for a Nakku type character with Paro...cuz contrast Paro's reaction today with Nakku's when Dutta married her in that fit of drunk rage...world of a difference...and what emoting from MV...Nakku's numbness, her pain, her shock, her heartbreak all came across so brilliantly.

But Paro's mind really doesn't seem to have anything but SHAADI in it...so where's the scope for any kind of nuanced reaction?😕

They need to give some THEHRAAV to the characters, their emotions in order for the audiences to CONNECT...but they are too busy zooming through...what was the need to jump to SR/grihapravesh within today's epi? They could have spent more of the epi focussing on Paro's emotions, her feelings but nope, nothing...it's like they couldn't care less😕


Arre- why make the 'LTL for dummies' version? Copy toh achhe se kar sakte ho- I am sure people - even the TRP junta would have empathized and understood more if just one episode they would have shown that THEHRAAV. I just dont understand the hurry at all- they had the hate marriage- they got their back for somehow putting these two HAWT beings in one room- the drooling junta would also not have minded if they had postponed the suhaag raat games for one more day.
Ab tomorrow we have daaaru- milk drinking competition? 😲 I am just...??? uske baad Bapusa will come and say- OH!! Shaadi ho gayi- my prartna successful- YAY! Ab go to kitchen and make nice roties- and hasnta khelta parivaar vaapis. I only have some hopes from a sober Rudra now- but only just- coz he'll be brushed aside saying- yeh toh hai hi aisa.
I dont expect them to show Paro's pain at all- if she really is suppossed to have some- or its another Bhagya and niyati thing for her- or Ma Parvati type tapasya?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: CyberOstrich


Arre- why make the 'LTL for dummies' version? Copy toh achhe se kar sakte ho- I am sure people - even the TRP junta would have empathized and understood more if just one episode they would have shown that THEHRAAV. I just dont understand the hurry at all- they had the hate marriage- they got their back for somehow putting these two HAWT beings in one room- the drooling junta would also not have minded if they had postponed the suhaag raat games for one more day.
Ab tomorrow we have daaaru- milk drinking competition? 😲 I am just...??? uske baad Bapusa will come and say- OH!! Shaadi ho gayi- my prartna successful- YAY! Ab go to kitchen and make nice roties- and hasnta khelta parivaar vaapis. I only have some hopes from a sober Rudra now- but only just- coz he'll be brushed aside saying- yeh toh hai hi aisa.
I dont expect them to show Paro's pain at all- if she really is suppossed to have some- or its another Bhagya and niyati thing for her- or Ma Parvati type tapasya?



@bold: haha so true...what a stalemate this is then, no? Rudra ki koi sunta nahin cuz everyone's like "yeh toh aisa hi hai" and Paro toh DEVI hai...DIVINE incarnation of the Goddess herself...she's above such petty things as pain and human emotions😆...

Agar copy achhe se kar sakte toh baat hi kya thi...but they still try copying no matter how much they butcher it😆

There were so many points where they could have taken the story forward in a more gradual route...ever since Tejawat's revelation to Paro, they've been in some kind of hurry...I just realized that even Rudra's last drunk breakdown was in these same clothes😆...it's only been 2 weeks since that epi😆

Given the way this daaru-milk drinking competition is going, it seems Rudra has figured out how to manipulate Paro😆

Things have reached such a point where I'd actually welcome Laila showing up with her magic Dagger😆

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