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Posted: 11 years ago
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Well for what its worth I don't think she is actually apologizing for anything she hasn't done. Its just Paro being herself.
After all she forgave mamiji - in fact she didn't even seem to have thought mami was wrong! She just opened her arms! So in that scenario well Paro is just accepting she has wronged someone unknowingly.
AND cz Paro has never ever done anything wrong to someone before this consciously or unconsciously she cannot accept she has done something wrong unknowingly.

SO it is NOT cz she is wrong she is apologizing. But she being herself kinda wants closure n him not giving it to her is bothering her.. n she wants to make peace.. specially after she hasn't gotten any resentment left with him - cz all she thinks is right now is that 'IF I had gone across the border I would have been raped and sold as a prostitute and groped and raped and raped n maybe even murdered by now and his interfering however harsh it was saved me from it'
And till now this is the issue actually - the bold part the CVs have utterly failed to explore n to maintain the balance of the emotional exploration of the 2 roles that this fact - which i explained is not clearly coming across!!

Paro is not losing her self respect - actually if u remember when he told her degradingly or whatever that 'I have told u not to come near me' she point blank told 'n last night u were singing a different tone' n shut him up..

Basically i think u should just check out this post n the discussions in it. What u have perceived has been done a bit wrongly n the reason for it is the lacking discussed here...
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--Tying up loose ends-)
sorry yaar don't wanna come across as preachy... but the post is not 100% accurate.. its not as severe as that. But then its as i said the wrong way CVs r showing it that has led to this misconception..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Crystal29

I don't think Paro is being a doormat or is being treated badly here. My views are totally different. I don't see what Rudra did to her when he was trying to get her witness against Tejawat as sexual harassment in the first place. That is too strong a word to be used. I have my own viewpoint on that. It is a different game they played. Not just Rudra, but Paro too. Again - Just my opinion. And Rudra did not act the way he did because of bitter past or something. Yes, right now he is pushing her away from his life due to the bitter past, but not before.

For me, Rangrasiya is not about what is right or wrong from just a women's perspective. I am all for women's self-respect, but we should not be seeing this show in that light at all. It is a love story with characters who have their own ghosts in the closet and how love heals them. All that they do with the story/tracks here is towards that ultimate goal. It has always been established that Paro is here to heal Rudra's wounds and they complete each other. The title track says that beautifully.

I feel Paro is being potrayed as a very strong character here. Her heart is telling her to get through to Rudra even if he pushes her away. When you bring in the love angle to this, everything looks different. About her asking for forgiveness, from what I see, she is apologizing for not believing him when he has all along said the truth and saved her life from time to time. SHE needs it more than him.
About conveying a wrong message to society on treating women, well, then this show will be in the fair end of the list of shows/movies etc etc doing the same. Each person will take what they want from the show based on their own personality, country, beliefs etc. For me, it is an emotional, deep love story. Something that keeps me interested and entertained. It is good to watch how both characters Rudra and Paro unfold and come together in the story. And I love analyzing relationships and characters. Add to that, I am a romantic at heart. Even if there are glitches here and there, I can overlook as long as it does not ruin the experience. The minute I start hating one of the leads like how it is for you now with Rudra, I will stop and move on.

hi crystal...I don't know the description of sexual harassment or abuse in India. What is acceptable and what is not? But here in America we have a zero tolerance against the both...from where I see it she was abused and sexually harassed. Let's leave it to that...thanks for commenting .
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: princessunara

Well for what its worth I don't think she is actually apologizing for anything she hasn't done. Its just Paro being herself.
After all she forgave mamiji - in fact she didn't even seem to have thought mami was wrong! She just opened her arms! So in that scenario well Paro is just accepting she has wronged someone unknowingly.
AND cz Paro has never ever done anything wrong to someone before this consciously or unconsciously she cannot accept she has done something wrong unknowingly.

SO it is NOT cz she is wrong she is apologizing. But she being herself kinda wants closure n him not giving it to her is bothering her.. n she wants to make peace.. specially after she hasn't gotten any resentment left with him - cz all she thinks is right now is that 'IF I had gone across the border I would have been raped and sold as a prostitute and groped and raped and raped n maybe even murdered by now and his interfering however harsh it was saved me from it'
And till now this is the issue actually - the bold part the CVs have utterly failed to explore n to maintain the balance of the emotional exploration of the 2 roles that this fact - which i explained is not clearly coming across!!

Paro is not losing her self respect - actually if u remember when he told her degradingly or whatever that 'I have told u not to come near me' she point blank told 'n last night u were singing a different tone' n shut him up..

Basically i think u should just check out this post n the discussions in it. What u have perceived has been done a bit wrongly n the reason for it is the lacking discussed here...
(
--Tying up loose ends-)
sorry yaar don't wanna come across as preachy... but the post is not 100% accurate.. its not as severe as that. But then its as i said the wrong way CVs r showing it that has led to this misconception..

Hi Sunara...no worries dear. So nice to see your reply. I have stopped watching RR a while back...just visited the forum today and read the updates. The cvs have just turned this whole thing around with making Paro plead for her forgiveness where she wasn't responsible in the first place. Thakur was her adopted father...she was bound to trust him. Why does she has to feel guilty about that? What I cannot fathom is her desperation to seek Rudra's approval...what I don't like is all the abuse she went through has been forgotten...what I don't like is Rudra is given a free ride here for everything . What about his apology ? He thought her to be a criminal...and he has found out she is not. He should be apologizing too...right? But no instead she is at his house taking care of them...it's just something I cannot digest 😊...I am on a hiatus for now😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rupunzale

hi crystal...I don't know the description of sexual harassment or abuse in India. What is acceptable and what is not? But here in America we have a zero tolerance against the both...from where I see it she was abused and sexually harassed. Let's leave it to that...thanks for commenting .


I don't think we should be going into describing belief systems based on countries either here. I have seen the good/bad of both. Was brought up in India, but live in America too. Thanks for leaving it to that.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rupunzale

hi crystal...I don't know the description of sexual harassment or abuse in India. What is acceptable and what is not? But here in America we have a zero tolerance against the both...from where I see it she was abused and sexually harassed. Let's leave it to that...thanks for commenting .



Sexual harassment is sexual harassment everywhere. The issue is - when he did it to her it was not in the intent of harassing her to get some sexual purpose done.
In every war situation - terrorist situation lines are crossed. As far as I still see if they just freaking show what she thinks over it - this issue won't arise!

I as u know always speak in defense for Paro. BUT this interrogation and stuff and whatever underhand crooked methods he used can be justified as a 'soldier' that was trying to glean details against a higher level terrorist who might if given more time create a massacre!
Its reality that when interrogating terrorist suspects they don't get common criminal's rights. no lawyers nothing. they r not even on any record so they don't even exist sometimes so that ANYTHING can be done with them! in fact i know that Paro got off lightly at the beginning. Later on well as this was a fiction they twisted it stupidly with the house track.

IF he kept her inside that BSD cell all this time n did anything to her without being aware that she was innocent and under the mistaken impression that she knew more than she was telling - as the guards that stand b/w us and the wrong doers.. our armies are the reason we sleep at night in the comfort of our homes, is cz they do that unpleasant job. trust me coming from a once upon a time war-torn country i will justify ANYTHING army does to keep us safe from a suspect terrorist! its unethical. but if doing that would stop the next bomb blast from happening its justified!

So i think with a terrorist suspect talking ethics in treatment is unrealistic.. the US army itself is scattered across with war crimes. Every army is!

after telling all this i again and again tell that the CVs blurred the lines of an army officer n a man at a home in a bad way. that people respond to his tactics as an army officer in the way of a common man.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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hay its 4 am.. will come back later today to respond ok.. gotta go.. :)
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sorry don't know how to quote your post, but I just wanted to comment on the post you made as a reply to Princesssunara...

I think if the whole fire fiasco didn't happen, Rudra would've apologized to Paro (in his own akroo and kharoos way) for labelling her as a traitor/criminal/whatever he thought she was. If not apologize he definitely would have said something to her and taken full responsibility for her safety and whatnot. But because the fire thing DID happen, I think it has caused Rudra to become slightly unbalanced in terms of emotions and logic. At this moment he can't see beyond his father's state combined with finding about his mother.

And about Paro being a doormat ... that is completely up to one's perspective. You are right in saying that she doesn't HAVE to apologize for anything but this is something Paro's character (as it has been shown from the beginning) feels like she NEEDS to do. If you remember, she was feeling bad for hitting Rudra on the head when she ran away with Tejawat and at that time she didn't even know the truth. So I don't think it's out of character for her to do it or for the CVs to show it. They didn't show her being a doormat when mami tried to abuse her or when Rudra was trying to force her to sign the papers during the whole wedding week because she felt she was right in that situation. Here she feels like she has to gain Rudra's trust back so I don't think that is wrong.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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she is trying to make amends .. whats wrong with that
she thought all bsd esp rudra were evil men out to destroy her life .. she learned the truth and now she is trying to make amends. and she entered the house to prove her innocence regarding the fire. she is a good person n she does not want any accusations on her. i dont think it a bad thing. as for asking forgiveness .. i mean she didnt sign the paper n took the side of raja thakur the whole time .. forget about rudra being discharged from duty .. all the dead soldiers were not gonna get the respect they deserve...she know that and she even mentioned it in her speech so she is trying to make it right.

she is feels indebted to rudra for saving her countless times and does not want to abandon him when he needs someone. to me it shows what a kind and righteous person paro is. rudra is stubborn.. yes.. but u know he will change as the character falls in love.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rupunzale

hi crystal...I don't know the description of sexual harassment or abuse in India. What is acceptable and what is not? But here in America we have a zero tolerance against the both...from where I see it she was abused and sexually harassed. Let's leave it to that...thanks for commenting .



Lets not get started on what's done in America & what's done in India. I lived in that country for 10 years & can tell u stories that will make us ,THE INDIANS, in India look like saints.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rupunzale

Hi Hagen...I think disappointment is an understatement for me because I actually cannot even get myself to watch it although I want to support Sanaya.

So want to support sanaya nothing bad she is brilliant actress this is the biggest reasons for writing an essay on women's cause everytime now I got the answer why there is no concern for maithily who is a victime of her mother in law for not giving birth to a child so I got the answer even one of our friends asked why we are not raising voice for mathili becoz we don't like the actress sorry no offense as I believe in freedom of expression.

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