TRP Travails & why shows fail - Page 2

Originally posted by: milind1515

This show will pickup trp when finally both will fall in love and then the usual kitchen politics between rudra's maasi and paro will start and ironically this is when the serial will become bore.

I really doubt it coz there r other typical saas bahu sagas like YRKKH, DABH etc. So i dont think RR can compete with those hard core kitchen soaps. Tat ll only drive away the initial fans & it ll fail 2 impress the TRP aunties. Then the show ll sadly end in No man's land!

Originally posted by: Angels11

Getting a lot of interesting perspective frm every1 out here & thnx 4 keeping the discussion gng but my questions sadly r still unanswered.

For eg in all the shows y is the heroine always shown as OH SO INNOCENT VIRGIN . In real life u ll never find such girls & no its a myth tat village girls r innocent. In fact in my experience i ve seen tat its only the city girls who r a little naive while the village girls mature mentally at a v young age. Still in our shows frm Geet to IPKKND to RR the girl is shown as v innocent. Of course in RR they ve not gone overboard so prob i need 2 wait & watch.

My quest is this. I know most of the folks here r SI fans so they r rooting 4 her character Paro. BUT a big BUT if SI played Laila instead of Paro whom ll the fans root for? Why s'd only the PAROs ve a happily ever after. Dont the LAILAs deserve a happily ever after?

Regarding Laila's character...yes...she is being used by the Major...for completely selfish purposes with no regard to her feelings...which is not nice to say the least...Makes his character look more gray in a true sense...but personally...I would not tune in to watch Larud story...it is not exciting or entertaining to me...

This butchering of good stories in the name of TRPs is why I didn't use to watch Indian TV for a long time. Since the Ekta-ization at least. I remember I used to watch this show called Nyaay when I was 10-11 yrs old, it was amazing. It was full of people with multidimensional personalities, like real people. And there was this other show called Maan. Which was again a REAL family drama, unlike what passes off nowadays. Then Madame Ekta happened, and I couldn't stand Indian TV. Till I watched IPKKND. And the rest is history.
In the interim, I turned to Pakistani TV serials and I must say, they have truly evolved tastes. Their serials have mature stories, even their love stories are really deep. It definitely helps that they have only 25-30 epis max, and they are shot like movies. I have seen so much variety there, I hope at some point Indian TV goes beyond loud makeup, flashy saris and jewellery and music , and focuses on story telling instead. BTW, they have made Rebecca ( it was called Mahmoodabaad ki malikaayen) and it was creepy as hell, more creepy than the book. And they made a serial called Mera Naseeb, which was based on Sister of My Heart (an Indian novel, no less).. I think Indian TV will churn out better content only when they move from this daily concept to a weekly one. And they should have lesser episodes. Will save us from all that rubbish one has to see from time to time. But it seems like the GECs have become too complacent or maybe they dont want to risk their earnings .

Originally posted by: Angels11

Getting a lot of interesting perspective frm every1 out here & thnx 4 keeping the discussion gng but my questions sadly r still unanswered.

For eg in all the shows y is the heroine always shown as OH SO INNOCENT VIRGIN. In real life u ll never find such girls & no its a myth tat village girls r innocent. In fact in my experience i ve seen tat its only the city girls who r a little naive while the village girls mature mentally at a v young age. Still in our shows frm Geet to IPKKND to RR the girl is shown as v innocent. Of course in RR they ve not gone overboard so prob i need 2 wait & watch.

My quest is this. I know most of the folks here r SI fans so they r rooting 4 her character Paro. BUT a big BUT if SI played Laila instead of Paro whom ll the fans root for? Why s'd only the PAROs ve a happily ever after. Dont the LAILAs deserve a happily ever after?

No idea about TRPs... but my grouse is that most shows end up in the same state story-wise. If its a love story, its always about angry young man falling for a innocent/ bubbly girl. Otherwise it is usually about a bahu trying to fit into her married life and dealing with all sorts of family problems. And all these are situations I do not relate to and hence don't find them interesting...

In case of RR, the initial episodes were interesting to watch because the story was set in the backdrop of a border village, smuggling and border force. It was a refreshing change from the typical family set-up seen in other shows. But now they have brought in the typical family set-up and I'm not sure how much longer this show would be interesting...

Originally posted by: -Sush-

Angels...I think that is a gross assumption...which is not correct...I believe there is still a large population of girls in India...who are ...yes...virgins before their marriage...and actually there is a large population in India of boys as well who are virgins before marriage...😃

A sexually available woman is not revered in traditional Indian society and that's what is reflected in Indian shows...It is a cultural thing! Living in the west for many years now...my sensibilities are different...but I am aware that they are not the same for some of my family that is back in India.

Regarding Laila's character...yes...she is being used by the Major...for completely selfish purposes with no regard to her feelings...which is not nice to say the least...Makes his character look more gray in a true sense...but personally...I would not tune in to watch Larud story...it is not exciting or entertaining to me...

Sush u got me wrong. I am stressing on INNOCENT. Even i was a virgin & till marriage thought it was a sin to sleep with some1 bef marriage. Tats how i grew up. I am talking bt the so called innocence. Believe me girls frm villages r more aware of their bodies, sex, pregnancy etc than city girls. I know tis coz I grew up in metro but did my college in a small town.

They r virgin due to fear of the society but innocent they definitely are not 😃

Originally posted by: Angels11

I really doubt it coz there r other typical saas bahu sagas like YRKKH, DABH etc. So i dont think RR can compete with those hard core kitchen soaps. Tat ll only drive away the initial fans & it ll fail 2 impress the TRP aunties. Then the show ll sadly end in No man's land!

Originally posted by: SS88

This butchering of good stories in the name of TRPs is why I didn't use to watch Indian TV for a long time. Since the Ekta-ization at least. I remember I used to watch this show called Nyaay when I was 10-11 yrs old, it was amazing. It was full of people with multidimensional personalities, like real people. And there was this other show called Maan. Which was again a REAL family drama, unlike what passes off nowadays. Then Madame Ekta happened, and I couldn't stand Indian TV. Till I watched IPKKND. And the rest is history.
In the interim, I turned to Pakistani TV serials and I must say, they have truly evolved tastes. Their serials have mature stories, even their love stories are really deep. It definitely helps that they have only 25-30 epis max, and they are shot like movies. I have seen so much variety there, I hope at some point Indian TV goes beyond loud makeup, flashy saris and jewellery and music , and focuses on story telling instead. BTW, they have made Rebecca ( it was called Mahmoodabaad ki malikaayen) and it was creepy as hell, more creepy than the book. And they made a serial called Mera Naseeb, which was based on Sister of My Heart (an Indian novel, no less).. I think Indian TV will churn out better content only when they move from this daily concept to a weekly one. And they should have lesser episodes. Will save us from all that rubbish one has to see from time to time. But it seems like the GECs have become too complacent or maybe they dont want to risk their earnings .

Wow an adaption of Rebecca which is creepier than the original. Sounds delicious 😊

Originally posted by: ayshaomar

Okay with the whole Paro/Laila situation this post is very good to explain that

I am a huge SI fan so ofcourse i will be biased but this post is definitely great with regards to the differences in the girls with Rudra https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/rangrasiya/3908617/why-laila-is-not-the-one-for-rudra

With the whole why is it always innocent girls then i guess TRP aunties love the damsel in distress type!! I wouldn't mind watching a female who is grey, not innocent, previous relationships and a non-virgin for me all this doesn't matter at all. And i totally believe in equality so what goes for a man goes for a woman IMO. If i can watch a man sleep with other women before marriage why can't a woman do the same?

And i have always wanted to see a show where the FL and ML roles are reversed, for example the female is the one with a past that prevents her from love, makes her wary of it, makes her detest it and maybe a more of a happy go-lucky man etc etc but i really doubt i will ever see such a show on Indian TV, especially within the next few years

Believe it or not but DD shows in the 90s were way more modern than these crap shows. There was a serial called Shitij yeh nahin or something like tat. Sorry dont remember the exact name. In tat the heroine is a widow with a son who is cold to relationships & love. The hero is a positive guy who falls in love with her & finally makes her also reciprocate his feelings. A wonderful & sensitive serial!

Originally posted by: serialjunkie

Hola Angel

This is a mystery everyone is trying to figure out.

Its hard to clump the entire desi crowd under one umbrella. There is a large mass of people in semi-urban, rural areas that finds TV its only source of entertainment. They relish in the daily sas bahu skirmishes and enjoy the back and forth, repartee, conspiracies and revenge saga.

Much like our movies, where action thrillers and formulaic stories sell, while oddball and different movies take time to find its footing.

TRPs are a very monolithic, mono-dimensional measure of success. In those numbers we don't know who watched what in a household. If a show was made to appeal to the young, TRP does not tell you if the show reached the young or not. Irrespective, TRPs are only useful to generate ad revenues, nothing less, nothing more. If channels get the necessary ad revenues from a slot, TRPs rarely matter then. Most media outlets in india are making tons of money because the leading GECs are not lacking in ad generated revenues, and therefore, there is no impetus to change the quality of shows shown in those slots. The GECs might experiment here and there, but those experiments are usually saved for non-prime slots.

Finally, desi audience is so vast and varied, it will be hard to find a show that caters to everyone's tastes. What usually works is a lowest common denominator of quality that appeals to a broad scope of people. Thats what most sas bahu shows offer - the lowest common denominator.

Hey SJ y no PPP frm u tis week 😭 Now if the intention is 2 cater 2 the lowest common denominator y even start a show claiming it 2 b an intense love story. Gng by past history if u cant sustain the momentum then y even waste ur time & money creating a show.

BTW i disagree on the fact tat desi audience liking only stereotype serials. If u chk the DD shows which aired in the 90s none of them were saas bahu nonsense & even in those times ppl embraced different, hatke shows like Shitij, Farman, Kashish, Buniyaad, Nukkad, Hum Log etc.

So no its not the fault of the audience but lack of talent & creativity by the show makers!