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Vibhishna

@Vibhishna

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Posted: 16 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: Kal El
You know, I just realized something. Vibhishan is going to have a very very difficult life in our special extended version of Ramayan. He keeps getting attacked, driven out, defeated and even killed. Poor guy. 😆

Oh no!

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Janaki

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Posted: 16 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: Kal El

By the way, Tyagaraja, the famous 18th century musician, is also regarded as a reincarnation of Valmiki. The majority of his compositions were about Ram. In fact, he composed 24,000 kritis in praise of Ram.

Saint Tyagaraja is said to be a reincarnation of Narada, not Valmiki.

My favorite Tyagaraja Composition is Nagumomu Ganaleni.😊

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 16 years ago

#13

I read the original story!!! Oh dear - we can't have Malaysian versions in this - there would be a riot!

At any rate, now my head hurts 😵

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Kal El

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Posted: 16 years ago

#14

@Lalitha: The 15th/16th century musician Purandara Dasa is also regarded as an incarnation of Narada. I suppose there are variations about these things as well. 😊

Originally posted by: Chandraketu
I read the original story!!! Oh dear - we can't have Malaysian versions in this - there would be a riot!

At any rate, now my head hurts 😵

Haha the Malaysian versions are quite complicated. Especially the relationships between the characters: everyone is related to everyone else! Still they are quite amusing IMO. 😉

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Janaki

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Posted: 16 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: Kal El
@Lalitha: The 15th/16th century musician Purandara Dasa is also regarded as an incarnation of Narada. I suppose there are variations about these things as well. 😊

Yeah, probably😊

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Vibhishna

@Vibhishna

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Posted: 16 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: Kal El
@Lalitha: The 15th/16th century musician Purandara Dasa is also regarded as an incarnation of Narada. I suppose there are variations about these things as well. 😊

Haha the Malaysian versions are quite complicated. Especially the relationships between the characters: everyone is related to everyone else! Still they are quite amusing IMO. 😉

I agree with Chandraketu in this. My head is spinning already with all the stories and versions.

Malaysian, Korean, Cambodian and Indonesian versions are quite different from what we know.

Malaysian version is very much complicated with Lord Shiva, Sita living in Patala and all sorts of stories in the Uttar Kand.

Cambodian version strings every possible character to Ravan.

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Kal El

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Posted: 16 years ago

#17

Considering the fact that the Sagars have already used elements from the Ananda Ramayan, why not go further? There's a lot of material that could be easily used to drag the serial on. Not only does it choose to give us a happy ending with Sita's descent into the Earth being prevented, but it also continues beyond that point. There is an entire section called the "Vivaha Kanda" dedicated to the marriages of the next generation of Raghukul. Lengthy descriptions of Lav and Kush winning a princess each at swayamvaras followed by their wedding. Then the story of Ram rescuing Gandharvas and Naga women from what I remember were some water deities or something. Then these women are married off to Lakshman's sons. This is followed by Shatrughna's son Yupaketu running off with Madansundari.

Beyond the Vivaha Kanda is the massive Rajya Kanda which dwells with events highlighting the utopian Ram Rajya.

And even beyond that there are more stories of wars and campaigns of conquest.

Clearly there is a huge potential to continue the show for several months!

I also have a vague memory of reading about the swayamvar of Kusa's daughter. But I am not sure exactly where I read it. I'll try to look it up. I don't have the text of Ananda Ramayan with me right now so I can't confirm at the moment if I read it there or elsewhere. But it is mentioned somewhere, I am quite sure. 😊

Edited by Kal El - 16 years ago

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Samiksha Birla

@Savi13

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Posted: 16 years ago

#18

thanks kal el for the infos... but i read that Kush got married to naag kanya do not have any info of lakshman's son..
and hope fully they must have followed their father's step of monogamy

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 16 years ago

#19

Why doesn't Lakshman ever do anything for his kids - not only does Rama have to procure them kingdoms, he even has to get them married. So this is where Shatrughan's 2nd son gets named Yupaketu - in Valmiki, it's the more effeminate sounding Shatrughatee.

Did Kush have a daughter in Raghuvamsa?

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rajnish kumar

@_rajnish_

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Posted: 16 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: Kal El
Guys I added some more stories, this time mostly from the Malaysian verions. 😊

About the story of Hanuman writing his own Ramayan: This story has many variants. In some, Valmiki hadn't composed his Ramayan yet and he uses some remnants of Hanuman's version to compose his one. Kalidas is said to have found one of the tablets. In at least five versions, it is stated explicitly that Valmiki was reborn as Tulsidas to fulfill his promise to Hanuman and retell his Ramayan in the language of the ordinary people. Yes there are contradictions but that is the nature of these folktales. And it is quite a popular notion that Tulsidas was indeed Valmiki reborn.

Hey we can settle this with that ring story where Hanuman is told by the Nagas that there is always a Ram incarnation every time the wheel of time comes around to the Treta Yug. I suggested that this can be used to show us stuff from other verisons of the Ramayan: perhaps the overall events do repeat themselves whenever the wheel of time comes to the Treta Yug but there are small differences. Likewise, in one cycle Tulsidas recalled the story from his previous life and in another we have the Kakabhusundi-Garuda dialogue. 😉

Seriously though, these are regional legends and folktales. So contradictions are normal. 😉

By the way, Tyagaraja, the famous 18th century musician, is also regarded as a reincarnation of Valmiki. The majority of his compositions were about Ram. In fact, he composed 24,000 kritis in praise of Ram. 😊

Besides Hanuman's throwing his Ramayan on knowing that couz of his Valmiki's version wud be ignored there is one more legend. It Says after composing his Ramayana Hanuman brought it to Ram, but Ram out of his modesty declined to do anything with it, saying that he was only doing his duty and so there was nothing spectacular to be noted and told to others. Dejected by this, Hanuman is said to have brought these clay tablets to the seashore, recited each verse, broken each tablet on his knee and thrown it into the sea.

The tablet which kalidas found consisit of only one foot of stanja.Kalidasa is supposed to have translated the foot of the stanza from the ancient script, which said:

"Oh! Ravana, those your ten heads, on which you lifted of Mt. Kailah, the abode of Shiva, are now bumped on battlefield by the claws of crows and eagles, know what has happened to your high-headed Decahedral pride, at the hands of virtue..."😊

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