Doubts and Discussions from the Ramayan - Page 60

Originally posted by: chatterbox

hmm u know i also always wondered about many things

but all in all i think it was vishnu leela the way things happend and it was sort of lesson for many

ravan was a brahmin and learned man

if he cud conquer three worlds think he didnt know ram was lord vishnu

he just may hv known he wud be freed from the curse of jay vijay thats why the whole drama happend isnt it

also i have one question though i may hv missed ine arlier posts

before agni pariksha in lanka

this time ram asks lakshman to prepare for agni when lakshman ansswers angrily

ram tells him in the end this only its a drama i want to get my sita back from agni dev

why didnt he clarify more

was it shown in prev ramaayn too

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Thanks Purvi for the story.

Agree the mentality of common people was the same in Treta yuga and is the same even today.

Originally posted by: ananyacool

http://www.historicalrama.org/historicalrecords.html

Under the title "Family tree of Rama" all the descendants of Ram are mentioned, including descendants of Lav ; Strangely Brihadbal who ruled Ayodhyais mentioned as Lav's direct descendant. Any other sources mentioning the descendants of Kush and Lav??

That's the only place that I've seen that mentions Brahadbala as Luv's descendent - everywhere else I've seen (Rajnish & Akhl once posted the Iskhvaku lineage, and there, it showed Brihadbala as Kush's descendent. Had to be, since Luv wasn't the ruler of Ayodhya)

In fact, the kingdoms of Luv & Kush must have been pretty small, if it's the case that Rama divvied it up between them. It also leaves unanswered why there is no historical detail about Luv anywhere. Did he end up as the ruler of just a city-state Shravasti? Buddhist jataka tale records always reference Shravasti whenever they are talking about rulers of Ayodhya: are they probably referring to Luv's descendents? Other possibility is that the kingdom Luv ended up with was another Kosala - probably the one Kaushalya was originally from.

P.S. Thanks, Vibs, Ananya, Lalitha, Purvi, et al for weighing in on whether Kush did the right thing or not returning to Ayodhya. I'm not sure whether I agree with it or not, but I will grant that you all made very good and compelling arguments in support of that decision. As usual, my expertize in opening up cans of worms goes uninterrupted🤔

P.P.S. Vibs, Kush isn't known to have had any other wives than Kumudhati. Also, I had no idea that he was killed. Was Atithi then a posthumous child, and did Kumudhati run the kingdom until he was of age?

Originally posted by: _LalithaJanaki_

In previous Ramayan, Ram tells Lakshman the story of how he entrusted Sita to Agni Dev, and how Chaya Sita took her place.

I don't think Ravan or Kumbhakarna knew they were Jay Vijay, because when they were cursed, Lord Vishnu said that Maya would control their senses and they would not know they were Jay Vijay, or else, how would they insult Lord Vishnu knowing they were Jay Vijay?

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

That's the only place that I've seen that mentions Brahadbala as Luv's descendent - everywhere else I've seen (Rajnish & Akhl once posted the Iskhvaku lineage, and there, it showed Brihadbala as Kush's descendent. Had to be, since Luv wasn't the ruler of Ayodhya)

In fact, the kingdoms of Luv & Kush must have been pretty small, if it's the case that Rama divvied it up between them. It also leaves unanswered why there is no historical detail about Luv anywhere. Did he end up as the ruler of just a city-state Shravasti? Buddhist jataka tale records always reference Shravasti whenever they are talking about rulers of Ayodhya: are they probably referring to Luv's descendents? Other possibility is that the kingdom Luv ended up with was another Kosala - probably the one Kaushalya was originally from.

P.S. Thanks, Vibs, Ananya, Lalitha, Purvi, et al for weighing in on whether Kush did the right thing or not returning to Ayodhya. I'm not sure whether I agree with it or not, but I will grant that you all made very good and compelling arguments in support of that decision. As usual, my expertize in opening up cans of worms goes uninterrupted🤔

P.P.S. Vibs, Kush isn't known to have had any other wives than Kumudhati. Also, I had no idea that he was killed. Was Atithi then a posthumous child, and did Kumudhati run the kingdom until he was of age?

The Yadavas belonged to the Chandravansh, not the Suryavansh, so they couldn't have been Shatrughan's descendents.

Okay, this describes the history of Kush. Any accounts of the history of Subahu, Shatrughatee, Chandraketu, Angad & Luv?

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

The Yadavas belonged to the Chandravansh, not the Suryavansh, so they couldn't have been Shatrughan's descendents.

Okay, this describes the history of Kush. Any accounts of the history of Subahu, Shatrughatee, Chandraketu, Angad & Luv?

According to Vedic Age by Dr RC Majumdar (in his Indian history series), the rule of Subahu just lasted one or 2 generations before they were overthrown. He also notes that Bharat's dynasties didn't last long in Gandhara (I forget the tribes that are thought by him to have ousted them), and also that nothing is known about the kingdoms of Luv, Chandraketu nor Angad.

I was interested in the historical sources, if any, as to how long these dynasties lasted, and how they ended.

Exit question: who was the Chandravansh ruler during Rama, and which kingdom did he rule?

Is it true that the present day Pakistani City of Lahore was in Luv's kingdom?