Doubts and Discussions from the Ramayan - Page 59

Originally posted by: chatterbox

pg74

oh man hv toread all back pags now

wow this thread is goin at super fast speed

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

You got me right Lalitha ji. I was not referring to Ram's knowledge of his divinity but his experience and knowledge. I can't even imagine how painful it would have been for him to handle it all.

I agree with your points on why Kush didn't reject the kingdom offered to him. As a prince, he too was brought up to rule and he would understand the mentality of people too. All of them were not educated enough to undestand virtues of the highest kind.

Lord Ram had said that he would spare Ravan's life if he had returned Sita with honour and ask forgiveness. But I don't think Ravan would have just got off that easily. For the crime Ravan commited, Ravan would have been punished in some way or the other by Ram. Even if Ravan had returned Sita to Ram through someone else, then too Ram would have reached Lanka and fought with Ravan to punish him. That was the reason Vibhishan and others kept advising him to return Sita and ask Ram's forgiveness so that he might atleast escape with his life. And of course, I can't imagine Ravan doing that.

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

I agree to this point. They couldn't deny their duty as kings.

I too read that Kush shifted his capital from Kushavati to Ayodhya after the village deity appeared in his dream and said that the city is in ruins after Ram had left the Earth. Kush shifted his capital to Ayodhya.

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Not all the citizens doubted the character of Ma Sita ,did they ?? There's was one small section of the society that thought so. Some washerman started off this spark and it became a big issue but I don't think all the people of Ayodhya were involved in this act of accusing Ma Sita.

Agree totally, not just Ram but Sita also had the magnanimity of sparing Ravana had he given back Ma Sita with due honor but that wasn't so because, for Ravan his ego was larger than himself.

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Thank u Vibhishna ...um actually I didn't know what to say; Thank u verrrrrrrrry much!!

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Yup di this thread is growing super fast becoz we all have super doubts😆😆

I think you're looking for this story:

http://india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1120899&TPN=56

Its the very first post by Vibhishna on that page that narrates the story of Karkati.

hope this helps.

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Not all the citizens doubted the character of Ma Sita ,did they ?? There's was one small section of the society that thought so. Some washerman started off this spark and it became a big issue but I don't think all the people of Ayodhya were involved in this act of accusing Ma Sita.

Agree totally, not just Ram but Sita also had the magnanimity of sparing Ravana had he given back Ma Sita with due honor but that wasn't so because, for Ravan his ego was larger than himself.

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Didn't Kush rule Dakshin Kosala with Kushasthali as capital?? I believe he didn't rule the Ayodhya which Ram ruled. Raghuvamsa describes that Kush wasn't ruling Ayodhya and the diety of Ayodhya(gram-devta) once appeared in his dream and describes the pathetic condition of an abandoned city which was once teeming with prosperity.....thus Kush again decides to shift back to Ayodhya.

and Lav and Kush or for that matter even Ram(after Sita's exile) couldn't reject Kingship according to the custom of treta yuga denying Kingship was as good as a sin; They couldn't deny ruling as it was their prime duty.

Kush was made king of kushavati by Ram. Sumantha knew abt it that Ram will do Lav kush's corronation outside Ayodhya. this was predicted by Sage Durvasa long ago before that 14 year exile. Once Dasrath asked Rishi abt the future of his sons. Rishi said that "Ram is destined to sufferiings n will get separated from his loved ones. Circumstances will make to abandon even his most fav brother Laxman. He will corronate His sons outsise Ayodhya City." Sumantha who was near Dasrath heard all the predictions. Later on Sumantha narrated all these to Laxman. Laxman was crying like anything when he left Sita in jungle to execute Ram's order. He got unconscious when he regained consiousness Sumantah narrates everything that rishi predicted abt Ram's future n ask him not to reveal it to anyone

Kush shifts to Ayodhya after Lord Ram's departure.

Kush did right by returning to Ayodhya. Agree that Ayodhya people did wrong. But the Ramayana's story wud have been same had it were any other city say Mathura or kashi etc. Common people's mentatlity abt women or enemy abducted queen to be more specific is more or less the same everywhere. Did only Ayodhya people raised question? Yudhha Kanda suggests that except some intellectuals, rishis n pure souls such question was in mind of thousands of people might be these included vanars n lanka locals. I agree that its no where mentioned that vanars or locals of lanka doubted Her. Only doubt by Ayodhya vasis is mentioned. But was the former situation ruled out anywhere? I think no. I agree that Vanars fought for her liberation but can it be said that each n every soldier in the Army had same mentatlity? Ramayana's story wud have been same had it were any other city instead of Ayodhya

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

I agree to this point. They couldn't deny their duty as kings.

I too read that Kush shifted his capital from Kushavati to Ayodhya after the village deity appeared in his dream and said that the city is in ruins after Ram had left the Earth. Kush shifted his capital to Ayodhya.

Originally posted by: coolpurvi

Kush was made king of kushavati by Ram. Sumantha knew abt it that Ram will do Lav kush's corronation outside Ayodhya. this was predicted by Sage Durvasa long ago before that 14 year exile. Once Dasrath asked Rishi abt the future of his sons. Rishi said that "Ram is destined to sufferiings n will get separated from his loved ones. Circumstances will make to abandon even his most fav brother Laxman. He will corronate His sons outsise Ayodhya City." Sumantha who was near Dasrath heard all the predictions. Later on Sumantha narrated all these to Laxman. Laxman was crying like anything when he left Sita in jungle to execute Ram's order. He got unconscious when he regained consiousness Sumantah narrates everything that rishi predicted abt Ram's future n ask him not to reveal it to anyone

Kush shifts to Ayodhya after Lord Ram's departure.

Kush did right by returning to Ayodhya. Agree that Ayodhya people did wrong. But the Ramayana's story wud have been same had it were any other city say Mathura or kashi etc. Common people's mentatlity abt women or enemy abducted queen to be more specific is more or less the same everywhere. Did only Ayodhya people raised question? Yudhha Kanda suggests that except some intellectuals, rishis n pure souls such question was in mind of thousands of people might be these included vanars n lanka locals. I agree that its no where mentioned that vanars or locals of lanka doubted Her. Only doubt by Ayodhya vasis is mentioned. But was the former situation ruled out anywhere? I think no. I agree that Vanars fought for her liberation but can it be said that each n every soldier in the Army had same mentatlity? Ramayana's story wud have been same had it were any other city instead of Ayodhya