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Posted: 12 years ago

@ Janki I know ur point''lakshmana was not a rude person'he never hold any grudges against anyone..but his relationship with urmila isn't told in any versions infact its quite questionable'..if we look at major sources like valimiki ramayan and tulsidas Ramayana one cant even deduce how was he as a husband''. he didn't even bid farewell to this griefstricken wife''I m always surprised to see this unfair treatment'' tulsidasi and valmikiji has dedicated so many epi to ram and sitaji but never ever once mentioned the pain and sacrifice of urmila'..

even mithalishrangupt and shri rabindranath tagore mentioned the unfair treamtment by valmiki and tulsidasji and lakshmana on urmila

in the other version and in many forlktales of MP UP and rajasthan it is stated lakshman observed strict celibacy

in krittivassi ramayana it is said a person who observes celibacy for forteen years will able to kill meghnaand now if we look at the rule of celibacy we will find tht celibacy means not only avoidance of physical proximity between man and woman but also a man shouldnt think of a woman...its mental and physical avoidance too

here are eight aspects of brahmacarya, as described in Sridhara Swami's commentary on Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.1.12:

smaranam kirtanam kelih

preksanam guhyabhasanam

sankalpo 'dhyavasayas ca

kriya-nirvrttir eva ca

One should not:

  1. Think about women.
  2. Speak about sex life.
  3. Dally with women.
  4. Look lustfully at women.
  5. Talk intimately with women.
  6. Decide to engage in sexual intercourse.
  7. Endeavor for sex life.

the first rule say person shouldnt remember woman going by this rule if lakshman was observing celibacy and he killed meghnand then he didnt remember urmila at all 'his wife?? wasn't tht rude?

coming to the folktale of uttarpradesh rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh lakshmana is shown as unmarried guy as he wanted to serve his brother without any distractions...he pledge to dedicate his life in the service to his brother

urmila is not known tribal ppl in these part''..it is stated in gondi ramayna lakshmana didn't married before going to forest he refused to marry as he wanted to serve his brother ''.In the Rajasthani folk narratives of the Ramayana, we learn that in order to kill Ravan, Ram needed to liberate Ravan's soul locked in the nostril of one of the horses that pulled the chariot of the sun-god. Only a celibate man could do this. Since Laxman was not married (the local version is ignorant of Laxman's wife, Urmila, who he left behind when he followed Ram) he was able to shoot an arrow that struck the nostril of that horse which pulled the sun-god's chariot. As a result, Ravan's soul was no longer hidden and Ram was able to kill Ravan.

whtever the case may be it was clear from these folktales lakshmana didnt wanted to marry he wanted abos**te dedication maybe here they are showing his dilemma his reluctance which is mistaken as his rudeness towards her ...he wasn't ready to marry as for him his brother comes first he was a part soul of rama a god himself maybe he knew the calamity tht will befall on urmila... may be he was sad to see her undergoing the torment for no reason ...Ghurye a famous writer presents ... line role-analysis of Lakshmana, as the 'most heroic though tragic character' . Lakshmana is forced to do things which he fully knows is fraught with disaster.maybe he was knowing the consequences of the event his mixed emotions was so apparent wen he was dressing as groom

honestly i prefer to see this confused emotionally drenched lakshmana then to see him all lovey dovey to urmila and suddenly ready to leave her...makes more sense to me thts my POV

and regarding the bold step taken by URMILA I know the character were pious and seldom we see the mythos character going out of the way... but its not the case we haven't seen any mytho character meeting with their man before marriage... if we look at SATI PARVATI SHAKUNTALA all met their man before marriage'sati and parvati were goddess...they even broke the strict rules of the society that too in the satyayug ...shakuntala was also a gurukanya most scared one still her love made her break the shackles of the world.(there may be other examples too )... urmila here is a sacred one not a ultimate divine lady...(i m bit skeptical of her being a amsa of mahalakshmi as sita wasnt her real sister she was a adopted one in the valmiki ramayana it is said the sisters were pious as sita but i didnt read tht she was amsa of mahalakshmi i think i need to read it again)'

she was pious but at the same time in love'.she had doubted his abilities she must be restless hence it compelled her to break the rule and met him to apologize she knew the maryada but was hopelessly in love... love that force u to go against set standards of life..

The relation here is depicted as more of akbar to jodha and meera to krsihna'a man who married for the sake of family and then fall for her I would love to see the pain in his eyes wen he will leave urmila after seeing this reluctant lakshman hesitating to marry'..

I m really bad at all this but thts my point and thts wht is holding my interest in the show a different dimension of urmila and lakshmana something unexplored yet interesting


hope i didnt offended anyone😛

Edited by arti07 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: nneeiill

oh man somebody tell me the venue of these garba dances..i wanna dance with Neil ...


hein???wen did he learned garba 🤔😉
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: arti07


hein???wen did he learned garba 🤔😉



gulaal main 😆

..jo bhi ho i wanna dance with him ..i wanna gooo

but i donno garba..zumba chalega kya 😆
Edited by nneeiill - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
@arti :

am like this 😲

i agree yaar...we actually dont know how he was..means nothing is explored in detail in any of the scriptures...but if we think of a person who had committed his life for brother's seva.then this marriage thing is indeed a distraction for lakshman..i think that is the point which CV's want to convey...as how he could have reacted ???? and now when i think of it his rudeness makes sense to me

and yea i too have read that in many folk talkes lakshman was unmarried...

am reading these points of brahmacharya for the first time..thanks for this wealth of information

and am also loving the fact that they are trying to show LU's story in a way which none of the earlier versions showed.

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Posted: 12 years ago
thanks re...right now in college😭 cant comment 😭
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: arti07

thanks re...right now in college😭 cant comment 😭



thats ok...am also going back to my studies
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Posted: 12 years ago
piu lovely analysis re ..i hate u how do u write so well...i m speechless👏
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Geeshu

lovely posters Piu ❤️

where is vm 😡😳
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Posted: 12 years ago

lopvely poster piu look at the mesmerizing look in his eye yeah aise urmi ko dekhaga yaa nahi😭
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: nneeiill

piu mhaari kaha hai tu ..what a fab analysis yaar...

me pasting my lakshman rant here too

u actually made all those reactions of lakshman and urmila crystal clear to us.
Now when I think of Lakshman's rudeness and indifference it does make sense.

I really like how they are trying to show what could have been the mental state of lakshman and urmila. See we have no reference point. Valmiki ramayan and ramcharitmanas...none of the scriptures explore their relationship and we cannot even say for sure what exactly had happened in those times...no one can say that...


when i had watched the scene, my first reaction was like oh how can laskhman be so rude..and how can urmila be like that..but then is there anything which says they cannot behave like that.??
? the problem is that none of the mythology goes beyond what has been already shown..i like how nikhil sinha said..if God did something ..there must be a reason...to explore all those aspects is actually applaudable
i actually loved the comparison which u wrote about RAM-Sita 's eyelock and LU's eyelock...both the couple with totally difffernt emotions..one couple in love and other couple still trying to come in terms with sudden developments..especially for Lakshman.as u explained...he has been to put a path which he never thought he will travel..so all those confusion.brilliantly done by neil..for him RAM's words are ultimate...

also i believe when God takes avtaar in human form ..it is because God wants to undergo all the pain and emotions of a human too ...


@red exactly yaar thts whts the point...brilliantly put loved it👏

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