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Posted: 18 years ago
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One thing we have to be clear here is that there are many versions of the same story. But I am writing stories based on the scriptures, which are commonly accepted as authentic in Hinduism. They are Valmiki Ramayan, Ved Vyas's Mahabharat, Ved Vyas's Puranas. Of course, Vedas are very authentic. But I did not include those because they do not contain stories related to God's incarnations.
According to the scriptures I have mentioned, Jaya and Vijaya came to Earth 3 times and not 10. May be there are some versions where it is mentioned 10 times.
One very important point. You have mentioned 10 incarnations of Vishnu. Many people think that Vishnu had only 10 incarnations. But it is not so. He had many more. In Srimad Bhagavat Mahapuran, there are 24 incarnations mentioned.
People talk of 10 incarnations because poet Jaydev eulogized 10 incarnations. It does not mean there were only 10.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Well, all I know is that in each avatar, Vishnu killed both Jay and Vijay, in some form.


Let me know where you read it. I have studies scriptures in detail. I agree that Vishnu had the ten incarnations that you mentioned. It does not mean that he killed Jaya and Vjaya in all those incarnations.
Buddha was one of the incarnations. But he did not kill anyone. So, how can we say that all those incarnations killed Jaya and Vijaya?
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Posted: 18 years ago
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I have read about indrasan and nidrasan. But I intentionally did not write because some books say "indrasan" and "nidrasan". Some use other words. But they all agree that Kumbhkarn, by mistake, asked the boon of sleep. I decided to write what is common.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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islandboy401,
Could you tell the source of your information that Vishnu takes the 10 incarnations to kill Jaya and Vijaya. The scriptures that I have read do mention these 10 incarnations(also some more). But they do not say that in all these ten incarnations, Vishnu kills Jaya and Vijaya in some form.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: akhl

The birth of Ravan

The demons Malyavan, Mali and Sumali were brothers. Because of a boon from Lord Brahma they became very powerful. They terrorized gods. On their command, Vishwakarma(the architect of gods) built the beutiful city of Lanka. The gods went to Lord Visnu to seek help. After that in a fight between demons and gods, Visnu killed Mali with his sudarshan chakra(discus), Visnu killed Mali. Malyavan and Sumai ran away from there.
Now gods once again started ruling happily. Malyavan and Sumali lost their kingdom. Sumali was looking for a suitable groom for his daughter Kaikasi. One day he saw Kubel flying in his Pushpak Viman(aircraft). Kuber was sage Vishrava's son and was ruling over Lanka now. Vishrava was a highly respected, very learned sage and possessed great spiritual powers. Vishrawa thought that a son born of a demon lady and a great sage like Vishrawa will be very powerful. He asked Kaikasi to go to Vishrava and marry him.
Kaikasi went to Vishrava. When Vishrava asked her the cause of her arrival, then she introduced herself by saying that her name was Kaikasi and she had come there on the command of her father Sumali. After that she said, "The rest you should know from your own spiritual insight." Vishrava understood everything.
In due course of time, Vishrava and Kaikasi gave birth to three sons and one daughter. The sons were Ravan, Kumbhkarn and Vibhishan. The daughter was Chandranakha(meaning nails like moon). When Chandranakha grew up, then she was called as Surpnakha(meaning nails like winnowing fans). Out of the four children, Ravan was the eldest, after that Kubhkarn, then Chandranakha, and the youngest was Vibhishan. At birth, Ravan was not named Ravan. He was called by names Dashanan(meaning ten heads) and Dashgriva(meaning ten necks). When he was born, he had ten heads, and twenty hands. The name Ravan was given to him much later.



I think instead of "nails", you meant "nose" (because nakha or naakh as we say in common Hindi means nose). It was explained in the serial that Chandranakha was so named because of her beautiful nose. And as we will see later on, Lakshman will cut her nose with his arrow, which will lead to her other name, Surpanakha.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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I think instead of "nails", you meant "nose" (because nakha or naakh as we say in common Hindi means nose).[/quote]

No, it is "nails". The word nakh means nail and naak means nose.

[quote] It was explained in the serial that Chandranakha was so named because of her beautiful nose.[/quote]

I did not watch that episode but nakh means fingernail.

[quote] And as we will see later on, Lakshman will cut her nose with his arrow, which will lead to her other name, Surpanakha.[/quote]

Lakshman cut her nose, but she was named Surpanakha even before that. This is because when she grew up, then her nails were very big.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: akhl

islandboy401,
Could you tell the source of your information that Vishnu takes the 10 incarnations to kill Jaya and Vijaya. The scriptures that I have read do mention these 10 incarnations(also some more). But they do not say that in all these ten incarnations, Vishnu kills Jaya and Vijaya in some form.



Well, I didn't really "read" the information anywhere. I got it from Ramanand Sagar's Shri Krishna...

And the Jay, Vijay dying ten times thing.....I actually was told that by my grandfather....but now that you mention it......that is probably wrong...because buddha never killed anyone.......Maybe the people that died were not incarnations of Jay and Vijay....And if you're getting your info from valmiki ramayan and ved vyas mahabharat...then it is most probably right...because both of the gurus could see past, present, and future....and they wrote the first versions of their stories...all other versions were actually derived from theirs...

And, also, you mentioned that there were 24 incarnations of Vishnu...I only heard abt 10...I never heard of 24....Could you possibly include the specifications of all of them in this topic?

Thanks.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: akhl

I have read about indrasan and nidrasan. But I intentionally did not write because some books say "indrasan" and "nidrasan". Some use other words. But they all agree that Kumbhkarn, by mistake, asked the boon of sleep. I decided to write what is common.



Yeah...it is "nidrasan"...not "nindrasan"

Sorry, that was just a typo....
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Posted: 18 years ago
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I was not talking about typo. Some versions use completely different words.

You are right. I read Srimad Bhagavatam and valmiki Ramayan. I am posting from those. Bhagavatam mentions 24 incarnations. 10 are famous because poet Jaydev eulogized these 10 incarnations. I will post in more detail tomorrow.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Following are the incarnations of Lord Visnu as mentioned in scriptures. I know you may not consider some of these as incarnations. But I am writing what Bhagavatam says.
1. Kumara brothers
2. Boar
3. Narad
4. Nar, Narayan
5. Kapil
6. Son of Atri
7. Yajna
8. Rishabh
9. Prithu
10. Fish
11. Tortoise
12. Dhanavantri
13. Mohini
14. Nrisimha
15. Vaman
16. Parashuram
17. Vyasdev
18. Ram
19. Balaram
20. Krishna
21. Buddha
22. Kalki
I made a mistake in counting. I had said 24 but the above list contains more than that. This is because Kumara brothers were four. And Nar, Narayan were two. If we count them separately, then it becomes more than 24. If we do not count them separately, then it is 22. In any case, the number is greater than 10.

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