H.M.T Vs. Rolex - Page 2

Originally posted by: TVD-IANcrazy

First thing first...I just loved ur abbreviations for both Sanam and Aahil 🤣 awesome. and now important topic...English has become widely used language in India...u need to know English if u have to excel in different fields but it doesn't give u the 'character certificate' of a person...and I don't understand this thing, Sanam was working as a waitress and how many waiters know fluent English??? some 5-star or 7-star hotels/motels may have English speaking waiters but not every restraunt...and the public out there are ordering in English...it's good if u know English but u cannot start blabbing anywhere with anybody...people have mentality that if u don't know English u'll be pushed behind and treated as inferior and that's kinda true in present world...but not everyone can learn English living in some rural areas...so we should respect the person not the language 😊 and I must say SJ is doing brilliant job portraying such character.

Originally posted by: Go4welkin

Gita! A very thought provoking post with 2 different discussion points.

I personally believe that knowing more than one language is a good thing as it gives you a better reach in communication. Specially in country like India where there are regional languages, for example in south India hindi is not that popular and each state has its own distinct language and english is used to communicate when people travel to a state that speaks a different language other than their native language.

Extinction of language is a total different discussion point but again learning English does not necessarily mean extinction of local language, I live abroad and English is official language here but I still speak in my mother tongue with my relatives, well I accept that when I am talking in my mother tongue I tend to use good amount of English words but I am speaking my language despite living in a country where it is not a widely used language. I think extinction is more due to lack of usage of language due to lack of opportunity to speak the language over generations. In India, I guess one have several situations where one must use local language such as bargaining with vegetable vendors, cab/ auto drivers, maids and ethnic social gatherings etc.

Corporate world choose people with good English as they may have to deal with people with different language backgrounds and not knowing English may hinder the person's ability to communicate in corporate world which is more global in nature. I understand that hindi medium students too should get opportunity to succeed but getting corp job alone is not definition of success. They can get in to fields that are looking for language experts such as language teaching or writing articles or books in local language or literature or language translation or hospitality businesses that need more local language touch.

Originally posted by: GitaIyer

@bold - word, that's what is happening. Those not knowing english are equated to illiterates. That's the sad part.[/DIV]

want to know whats the condition in other countries where english is not the official language?

And if english is recognised as the language of corporate world and technology, shouldn't spoken english be emphasised in regional medium schools.

Yes ofcourse, English should be given more emphasis in regional schools or spoken English classes should be provided...why not give rural people opportunities to learn and move with the present society...but govt cannot just help if u r not aware of ur surrounding...and again it's not just about corporate world or MNCs...basically this mindset need to change about English speaking...and I think slowly people are getting aware of such facts and trying not to judge people with their clothings or language...also Hindi is a national language of India but still people living in South India and North East donot know Hindi...the problem arises here only...why isn't govt emphasizing on teaching Hindi over there...at one place u r giving ur regional language so much preference and when the other region come up with the same problem/thing we start critisizing and complaining he/she doesn't know English...So we need to remove this language barrier...and I personally try to mend with people in their comfort zone when it comes to language provided if I know that language 😉 I speak Urdu at home with my family but that doesn't mean I'll start yabbing anywhere showing off my Urdu skills. 😉 🤣

Finally you made this post :P none could make a better post on you.. i have no problem with Sanam unable to speak in english.. its just overatted..

Originally posted by: GitaIyer

Yes, 2 diff discussion points but both are inter related.

When Sanam was being ridiculed for her lack of english ability, it set me thinking that every vernacular medium educated person who dreams of a good Job, is not going to succeed unless they start their own businesses.

I think there are jobs that don't necessarily need English language fluency but yes understanding language may be essential. I think Sanam is capable of understanding English though she is not fluent in speech.

And this importance to english will eventually put the regional languages in back burner. It will end up being only spoken at homes or native places.

Yes, that's true that native language may be used in limited situations but is not at risk of extinct yet.

My post is solely from Indian POV. Here people not fluent in english, are ridiculed, especially in urban areas. Is that the case in the part of the world where you stay?

I live in USA, needless to say USA has a significant immigrant population with different language and cultural backgrounds. There is a % of population that do not understand English and authorities do accommodate non English speakers to the extent possible by providing automated telephone messages, instructions on appliances and Toys with bilingual language (English & Spanish). In states like NY, NJ, there are even Indian language translators in hospitals and retail banks. However, to get a corporate job, one need to know English, unless, the job is of a janitor or of similar category. Also, promotions in corporates depends on your fluency in English, if a techie person can understand English and communicate in less fluent English, he can still keep the job but his chances of getting in to management will dwindle and it is purely due to the skill needed for the job as people in management are expected to put across the point in decent English in a most effective way.

Do people look down upon non English speakers? it differs depending on location and situation I guess, Corporates do have strict HR policies to not discriminate against people based on their race as far as they are doing their job well, no one will make fun of you openly in a corporate setting, even if you have an accent as far as you are able to communicate but if you don't know the language, you are not hired anyways. In public settings, I did notice people in NY, though generally flagged as rudest people, seems to be more accomodative towards non English speakers, once I was asked on a subway by a young guy that if I will be able to help the old spanish lady who dont know English with her questions as he is not able to help her due to non spanish background. He might have thought I am a latino due to my tanned skin. I felt it was a nice gesture on his part to help the old lady within his limits. However, I heard about isolated cases of racial discrimination in southern parts of US, again it is not specific to language but more on the racial grounds, by the way, if reported with substantial evidence, it is a huge crime on legal grounds.

Originally posted by: GitaIyer

No, this post is not about watches.😆. Though QH ph needs one badly to remind it to tell the story in allotted time and to keep track of time leaps.

So, our Sanam is HMT types, Hindi medium types.

And ahil is ROLEX types, Rock out loud english eXpert types.

I'm not questioning why Sanam can't speak fluent english. No, she has been brought up in a rural village, and most probably went to a govt run school. So, Kudos to SJ for her portrayal of Sanam, the diction is,spot on. She had never had the need to speak in english. So it's understandable.

My question is

Is it really important for a person to speak fluent english to be considered good or to succeed in today's world?

English is not the widely spoken language, it is widely published language and used in technologies like email and Internet. Regional languages are dying a slow but sure death. Its kinda sad, coz most of European languages owe their origins to Sanskrit.

Do share your thoughts. No disrespect to english. It's my fav language though.

the problem is teachers in schools try to teach english through translation.most of the teachers themselves don't bother about pronounciation.Languages are skill based subjects.Buy in schools the students mug up answers to questions of the lesson.the students don't learn the language they simply want to score marks.Also the habit of reading books is dying since kids prefer to watch serials.Forget about english kids can't write or express themselves in hindi either.

Superb topic of discussion Gita...

learning a new language is always a added benefit depending on where u reside...

English language is used widely in India and also most of the countries which were under the british rule once a upon a time.

Fluent knowledge of spoken and written English is a pre requisite for many jobs but not a must for all...

knowing your mother tongue is also very important to keep in touch with your culture and heritage ...

Well I was disappointed with the CVs since they Sanam as not knowing English. No not because she should know, but because living in Villages & studying in Govt schools does not mean one does not know English. My ancestral house is in a village. I have my cousins living there & I know it. Sanam might not have gone for higher studies, but that does not mean she should not know English. Come on Govt schools teach English, I am very much sure about that. My neighbour who cracked ssc exam was given a job in a village school. She didn't go there after that. Moreover Dilshad seemed to be an educated person. Why wouldn't she help in educating Sanam. And Sanam does surf the internet for recipes & all.

Its should never be important to speak English over their own national language for any country but for India this isn't true :(

Excellent post Gitey 👏 and thought provoking too.

I personally feel that the regional language and English should peacefully co-exist in us. While I see no problem with regoinal school education I do feel basic English and conversational English should be taught in all regional schools. Ppl from rural areas mostly move to cities for work after graduation as there are not too many options in villages and not too many jobs either. In cities, English is widely spoken and is the business language hence basic English knowledge is important. Of course it also depends on what kind of job one would want to take up and whether one would be required to speak/know English for that job.

Having said that not knowing English is not a crime and it's perfectly fine to educate oneself in their regional language. Ppls attitudes need to change. Sadly even today a lot of ppl who are educated in their regional language are looked down upon and called 'Vernis' and what not by certain ROLEXs. And these same ROLEXs have the audacity to call some other countries racist!!!

Please note ppl I have said 'certain' ROLEXs not all. Just clarifying lest some ppl pounce on me 😆.