ETHICS and INFIDELITY and MORALS and REGRESSIVE THINKING.. - Page 5

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Posted: 11 years ago
#41
You know what Soup it's not that I don't try to look at things from Asad's perspective.

You wouldn't believe but just before reading your post I was introspecting that whether am being too harsh on Asad. Whether it is justified to judge a person completely on one wrong decision s/he took?

No, it's not at all right to do so.

But then as soon as I give thought to what Asad did, my heart gloriously fails to have any sympathy for him. Maybe it's because Gul has woven her story so that our sympathies to a very large extent rest only with Zoya.

As a girl it's very difficult to take this out of your head that how Zoya was coerced into this fake nikaah. Yes, Asad must not have thought about how worse the situation will get. He must not have thought that Nikhat would attempt suicide for the second time. Yes, he must have gone out to reason with Zoya and take her back home with him after the matter has sorted out.

Yes, it's not at all right to expect a person to take a rational decision in an instance of time when his sister is hell bent on taking her life. Asad too did not take a rational decision. He did what he thought was the best thing to do to save his sister's life.

But in all his tension and desperation to save Nikhat's life he forgot to bring into his cognizance that it's absolutely WRONG to coerce your fiance into a marriage. It's wrong to not to take into consideration that what she wants to do. It's wrong to give her the treatment of a commodity.

Galti ho gayi keh dene se kya galti, galti nahin reh jaati.

Kya aane waale kal mein Zoya iss bharose k saath jee payegi ki chaahe jo ho jaaye Asad mera saath nahin chodenge?

If Asad had some responsibility towards Nikhat, what about his responsibility towards Zoya, who unlike Nikhat did not have an entire family to support her?

In a moment which demanded rational decisiveness Asad stumbled and took the wrong side of the road.



After they were out of that situation Asad did not find it necessary to discuss it with Zoya that for how long would she have to stay in SM. Asad only discussed it with Ayaan(for the second time Zoya's opinion, was not taken into consideration)

This was not the wrong side of road on which they stumbled upon because of the circumstances. This was insensitive and something which Zoya is def going to give her Mr Khan a very hard time for!


Coming to the points of regressiveness.
You have absolutely nailed it!



Most of my friends and also my mom have stopped watching QH simply because they are unable to accept the fact that Zoya got 'married' to Ayaan. They are still living under the false perception that a ceremony determines who a person is wedded to and then love and loyalty do not come into picture once two people have performed the wedding rituals.(Ofcourse, Ayaan and Zoya haven't but so rigid are their thoughts about marriage that they do not want to take a deeper look into the emotions of characters and have simply resigned to the fact that Zoya is married to Asad's brother and hence the show has gone down the drains)

Thank God for writers like you, Rosh and Sangeeta Di in their(Friends and Mumma) company I do not have a similar outlook.
The insightful writers of our forum have completely changed my opinion.

Naa toh aisa dikhta hai, naa hi aisa lagta ya mehsoos hota hai ki Ayaan aur Zoya ka nikaah hua hai.

The nikaah farce is a drama within this drama!

Kudos to you for writing this really lengthy but still very meaningful post👍🏼

-Yours truly
Nikita
Edited by Nikita_Smith - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#42
Soup...u and I on the same page after a lifetime..here are my two cents:

I for one do not get the stand the characters want to take...
If the marriage is valid in the eyes of all...Asad did nothing wrong...he did not trade or loan Zoya...he by no means could allow another's wife to stay in his house...uptil here he thinks the marriage is valid...even if accidental

When he goes to SM..he sees the Qazis there..who officiate an already invalid marriage...coz they have all forgotten..Zoya's abbu's name was wrong...

So safe to say at this point of time...all three of them think it's valid and none of them know that they have signed on a divorce paper..and they are sure it's a temporary arrangement...Asad was not aware of this until Ayaan told him..mostly because Zoe told him it will be tough to return from where he is sending her..marriage means a lot to her

In that case Asad did no wrong..he only left Zoya at her husband's place...when Zoe's screaming a refusal in front of the Qazi's should have made it invalid right away, it wasn't done...who is Asad to give into her demand even if she says she does not consider this a marriage? Ayaan came and told him that it's temporary and he wants to let Zoya know...that's it...but Zoe already considers this temporary..coz from day 1 she thought she had just come for one day...

When Ayaan and Zoe do not share a room, are taking this as a farce..how does Asad talking to Zoe labelled as infidelity? Aren't Ayaan and Humz thinking of each other?

We all need to decide...if it's valid then Asad is not wrong in leaving Zoe there..and if it is invalid then there is no infidelity involved...Asad being wrong and it being infidelity cannot happen at the same time...

I think this is a bad case of inconsistent writing...the characters don't know what they are doing..and it is not at all clear...
Edited by starsinmyeyes - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#43
Soup ur the noodle to my chicken ur the basil to my tomatoe
In other words. I LOVE YOU FOR THIS POST. ☺️
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Posted: 11 years ago
#44
lovely post Soup👏 Asad has been accused of everything except murder and robbery😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#45
🤣 loved the argument here😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#46
Awesome post soup. Unfortunately things are not black or white, and this track has already been messed up with really terrible writing. At the end of the day everyone makes their own opinion and they are entitled to it. Including right and wrong, we can agree or disagree.

You write wonderfully and get your points across effortlessly. It's a always a pleasure to read.
We all have a sense of right or wrong, our personal compass, and are morally guided by that. It will not always match.

2 posts I strongly agree with are: @GitaIyer's It's relative. Yes it is. It is very subjective.

And @Starinmyeyes, Shruti: The writing is inconsistent. Which has lead to confusion on this part, if the characters are aware of all the facts around the Nikaah. This has been deliberately kept grey I think.

And I will add my last bit, I love this quote about, Your right and wrong, my right and wrong, our right and wrong. 😊

Rumi says:

"Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing
and rightdoing there is a field.
I'll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass
the world is too full to talk about."




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Posted: 11 years ago
#47
Mera soupwa...!!! 🤗 Awesome post as always...Agree with you...
And you know my POV about this track...its gray there is no black or white...So Forum wasioon, for love of QH, wajah ya bewajah, haar baat ke liye Asad koh blame and bash karna band karoo...its getting too old...I am sick of reading these things...Why the hell they just want to paint Asad black and EVERYONE else as white...?? 😲 If the track is gray and everyone is at fault then its like - x - = + which means NO ONE is at fault...they all did what they thought was right and will get them out of the mess...how could they have known that Ayaan's supposedly brilliant idea will just create more mess...

And I can't see any logic why it "INFIDELITY" if Zoya will talk or meet Asad...and WHY ON THE EARTH Asad can't call her...?? 😲 I mean, I though we all were watching the same show...If they said that the Nikaah is an act...and we KNOW that Nikaah didn't even happen, then HOW can this "Infidelity" or "Morals" thing came between Asya...?? 😲 I mean, she is NOT married...they BOTH KNOW that she is NOT married, then where the hell can people see "INFIDELITY" in A man calling the woman he loves to tell her to not to worry and that he will get her out of the hell he left her in...?? 😲

@Ankiee...I am with you...This is why you, me or any of us didn't want this all mess to happen... Cruel...Cvs and Gullu are simply cruel...and they are more cruel because they are kepping it un-clear deliberately...😡
Edited by A.Hajnal - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#48
Awesome post... Couldn't agree more...
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Posted: 11 years ago
#49
Awesum post..
Really hate nikhat sumtimes.. Even nw my family scold me fr watching this crap.. Unko samjhate samjhate pagal ho hayi hu.. Me only watch this crap fr KSG

My granny said: '' YEH MOTI [haseena bi] ITNA KUCH BOLTI HAI PHIR BHI YE SAB KYUN INKE GHAR ME LADKI DE RAHI HAI ''
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Posted: 11 years ago
#50

Originally posted by: Nikita_Smith

You know what Soup it's not that I don't try to look at things from Asad's perspective.

You wouldn't believe but just before reading your post I was introspecting that whether am being too harsh on Asad. Whether it is justified to judge a person completely on one wrong decision s/he took?

No, it's not at all right to do so.

But then as soon as I give thought to what Asad did, my heart gloriously fails to have any sympathy for him. Maybe it's because Gul has woven her story so that our sympathies to a very large extent rest only with Zoya.

As a girl it's very difficult to take this out of your head that how Zoya was coerced into this fake nikaah. Yes, Asad must not have thought about how worse the situation will get. He must not have thought that Nikhat would attempt suicide for the second time. Yes, he must have gone out to reason with Zoya and take her back home with him after the matter has sorted out.

Yes, it's not at all right to expect a person to take a rational decision in an instance of time when his sister is hell bent on taking her life. Asad too did not take a rational decision. He did what he thought was the best thing to do to save his sister's life.

But in all his tension and desperation to save Nikhat's life he forgot to bring into his cognizance that it's absolutely WRONG to coerce your fiance into a marriage. It's wrong to not to take into consideration that what she wants to do. It's wrong to give her the treatment of a commodity.

Galti ho gayi keh dene se kya galti, galti nahin reh jaati.

Kya aane waale kal mein Zoya iss bharose k saath jee payegi ki chaahe jo ho jaaye Asad mera saath nahin chodenge?

If Asad had some responsibility towards Nikhat, what about his responsibility towards Zoya, who unlike Nikhat did not have an entire family to support her?

In a moment which demanded rational decisiveness Asad stumbled and took the wrong side of the road.



After they were out of that situation Asad did not find it necessary to discuss it with Zoya that for how long would she have to stay in SM. Asad only discussed it with Ayaan(for the second time Zoya's opinion, was not taken into consideration)

This was not the wrong side of road on which they stumbled upon because of the circumstances. This was insensitive and something which Zoya is def going to give her Mr Khan a very hard time for!


Coming to the points of regressiveness.
You have absolutely nailed it!



Most of my friends and also my mom have stopped watching QH simply because they are unable to accept the fact that Zoya got 'married' to Ayaan. They are still living under the false perception that a ceremony determines who a person is wedded to and then love and loyalty do not come into picture once two people have performed the wedding rituals.(Ofcourse, Ayaan and Zoya haven't but so rigid are their thoughts about marriage that they do not want to take a deeper look into the emotions of characters and have simply resigned to the fact that Zoya is married to Asad's brother and hence the show has gone down the drains)

Thank God for writers like you, Rosh and Sangeeta Di in their(Friends and Mumma) company I do not have a similar outlook.
The insightful writers of our forum have completely changed my opinion.

Naa toh aisa dikhta hai, naa hi aisa lagta ya mehsoos hota hai ki Ayaan aur Zoya ka nikaah hua hai.

The nikaah farce is a drama within this drama!

Kudos to you for writing this really lengthy but still very meaningful post👍🏼

-Yours truly
Nikita


Nikita,

Thank U.

We are absolutely on the same page.

I am not supporting Asad...neither will Gul. U R right. She has made us all see it from Zoya's perspective, and it is a great wrong to force a girl into marriage...a wrong another hero of Gul committed too..and he regretted it dearly...


May be Asad's regret will be on a grander scale- only Gul knows.😉

Love transcending all boundaries: The majority of humanity will be all for logic and against love...all the time. You can understand love only if U have loved. And that kind of love requires you to make sacrifices in real life...on small scale, of course.😆

It is purely something you learn along the way!

🤗

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