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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: chicksoup

What will happen on Monday?

I think Zoya will be shocked with the amount of trust Asad has on Tanveer- she will probably be speechless OR
YES!!
She will give him an ultimatum...'either trust me when I say nothing happened, or trust her and her illusions and break up with me forever- this is your last chance!'- no proofs- just BLIND TRUST.. If that happens, Asad will fail this test...thats how he ends up in the Factory.
i dont think Zoya is the type to give ultimatum - she will try and talk to him as she knows trust cant be demanded but needs to be eaarned and Tannu has lied all along about a lot of things and Asad is well aware of it as Dilshad had previosly pointed it out
Zoya slaps Tanveer and Tanveer strikes back with the skeleton she has unearthed...the Graveyard scene...Basically, she will tell Zoya that they are not meant to be together, since this truth of her parentage will be a bigger test for Asad and herself...it is very significant that they have brought this scene now- if at all Tanveer tells the truth, that is...
Yes - it will be the next track

Zoya will end up exposing Tanveer- but wil not reconcile with Asad- she will maintain a distance...Asad will be shocked and like Zoya said- Tanveer ko dhakka maarke nikaal dega, but he will think Zoya will never forgive him...Probably they will be in the same house (Zoya will not want to disrupt her Abbu's well settled life , yet will attempt to know him more, yearn for him too) - Zoya trying to keep a distance, knowing her parentage will be the stumbling block in their relation...and Asad in the pangs of regret...
Yes - Zoya will stay away as she will know who her father is and Asad will not know why she is distant - he will try and court her which will make it even more difficult for Zoya to resist him - maybe Farhan will enter their lieves to create light funny moments of MU ๐Ÿ˜†
If they introduce a jealousy track here, it will be fun and light...

And I think kthe upcoming track after Tannu exposure will be light, since Zoya has indeed found her hazee- as he prayed for and she searched for...๐Ÿ˜‰
YES

Important symbolisms:

1. On mehendi, Zoya had said: "AApko lagta hai yeh dhoondh paayega?"

And Asad had failed to find his name- "Mujhe lagta hai mera naam hai hi nahi"

And ZOYA DID NOT SHOW HIM HIS NAME...this is the biggest symbolism from nikah track for me.


This means Asad will take his OWN SWEET TIME- but he will know her true feelings, WHEN THE TIME COMES...surprising Zoya.๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ˜†

To me that symbolized that Asad knew where the name was (remember that lady had said Asad ka name is shinning and then he had watched when Tannu had written the name but in order to make Zoya happy and for her to ask for her wish as she had gone through the pain for putting her mendhi for him and his mom he pretended not to see the name) so here for Zoya's happiness he will let her get to know her dad better - also since the mendhi had acid the Gauffer track will bring Zoya a lot of pain which she will try and hide from Asad but Asad will know something is wrong and take care of her (remember him making her drink water and asking if she wanted anything else like something to eat?)

2. The fbs as Asad returns to Khan Mansion:

Zoya says mil gayee..could mean they found each other OR she finds the key to his happiness- a way to expose Tanveer.

The 2nd fb has them FACING AWAY, WITH THE FENCE BETWEEN THEM, YET HOLDING HANDS...the bond will never be broken, but AsYa will not know each other's hearts in the next track..and that will keep them from uniting...
Right before he entered he prayed for her smile - Zoya always felt sad when she thought of her parents - her dreams of her mom gave her tears and when ever she heard the musical ball from her dad she got sad therefore i think when
1) he had a flash back of Zoya saying mile gaya - its Zoya finding out who her dad is as that had been her true reason for staying in India and moving into KV
2)Second Fb is them holding hands through the wall with holes where they cant see each other - (as Zoya was sad thinking of her father leaving her mom) to me it implies they wont be able to see each other as Zoya will be at Siddiquis but emotionally Asad will be there for Zoya to support her and take care of her

HATS OFF TO KARAN: This guy is the BEST!๐Ÿ‘ SIMPLY THE BEST!

Forget AsYa, I am even rewatching JaaNu scenes for his EXPRESSION..that expression with 'hum dono'...a book can be written on the underlying thoughts in just that one expression- this GUY IS A PHENOMENON! ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ (Thank You, Gul- for giving us the best of KSG!)๐Ÿ‘





Comments in purple - u and i think alike ALOT๐Ÿ˜Š most of the time so i am eager to hear ur thoughts
Edited by CanadianChik - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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๐Ÿ‘nce post...๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Canadian chick,

Hi!,

Thank you so much, for the pain U took to write so much...๐Ÿค—

This is what I felt:

1. Zoya pines for her father. But she will never leave Asad for him, unless she feels Asad will not be able to accept him, given the baggage he carries about his own dad- he is VERY UNFORGIVING.

Also, Gul has brought them to a point where- Asad is dead sure of what he wants๐Ÿ‘- only Zoya-๐Ÿ‘ and he has told her too, that he will continue to love her. However, Zoya jumps to conclusion and makes assumptions when it comes to one person...Asad.๐Ÿ‘

It took him that long to confess his feelings, what hse had been waiting to hear, almost since Mangalpur...even if she herself named her feelings much later.

And she was the one who pushed him to come out with his feelings after the airport engagement, when he was clearly not interested in marrying her. In fact, until she confronted him with playing with her Aapi's felings, he had chosen to ignore anmy feelings at all. So to Zoya, it appears as if SHE HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR A RELATIONSHIP, he has some feelings, and he agreed, BECAUSE HE WAS A GENTLEMAN. She knows he will never hurt her, she can ALWAYS DEPEND ON HIM..but is not too sure about THE DEPTH OF HIS LOVE. Was it remorse that made him come out with that beautiful confession at Ajmer...would he not be able to forget her, if HE HAD TO...

We will have to see how exactly the preg revelation and graveyard scene goes to come to any idea on this...

If Zoya thinks that Asad stalled hs confession and almost gave up on his love, because she was Gaffur's daughter...in fact, his hatred even kept him from telling her the truth...that is one possibility. However, will Z believe Asad to be capable of such DUPLICITY?

The second possibility: Zoya knows Asad does not know about this. The day he hears that, he will hate her, but accept her because of his sense of RIGHT. He went through all the rasams...MADE A PROMISE TO HER_ HE WILL NEVER BREAK IT..but will he LOVE HER THE SAME MEASURE KNOWING THIS? I personally prefer if they take this route. She might choose to maintain a distance, citing his abandonment of her twice, and her loss of trust in him. But she will stay with phoophi...as a daughter ...since she will also want to learn more about her abbu. Asad could take this as a totall lack of interest on her side, because โ€“ SHE HAS ALWAYS QUESTIONED HIM- all the mitwa moments- she is the first one to shake out and even point fingers at him...it will look like she reached her saturation point with her tolerance of his 'INTENSITY'...just a hunch.

And if in this interim, she seeks Ayan's help to get closer to Siddiqui, keeping her secret to herself, and Ayan asks for help with Humeira...(once she has come out of Rajni state and rejects Ayan completely...), well, Asad Miyan has his ZoYan! โ€“(A very far fetched thought, since this is the only possibility of Zoyan I can see currently.)

Moulding: I agree, Asad is moulded. What about Zoya? I feel Asad will never go back on his love, whatever the circumstances- he has lost Zoya enough number of times, to risk going thru that again!

2. How will Asad react to Gaffur as Zoya's dad: He will gladly support her, even though he will be alert, since he knows how vile the man is, but he will shield her from the hatred he has for the man. The Q is, where will Z be, when Asad gets to know this, and how will he know this? If Gaffur himself breaks teh news and whisks Zoya away- note, Zoya has been huimiliated enough no: of times by Asad and Gaffur knows about the broken weding- if he accuses Asad of playing with his daughter's feelings to get back at him- (Zoya unaware of this convo)- and orders her home...won't Zoya leave...esp if Mr. KHAN IS TOO SHOCKED TO REACT? And wil Asad know about Zoya's true feelings, considering hse seems to have MOVED ON to him?

If that happens, the MUs will be cleared by the CVs, at least on Asad's side, preferably BOTH AsYa AT THE SAME TIME and he will pursue her at Gaffur's home and win her back with Ayan's help.

From there, he will support Zoya about her father,๐Ÿ‘ but Raziya could plan to kill Zoya...

3. Gaffur accepting her: I think for now, the secret will stay with Zoya. She can see that her Abbu has a family now, and she WILL NOT WANT TO COMPLICATE HIS LIFE WHEN he is not looking for her at all.

So, I feel the CVs will make it that Gaffur comes to know, without Zoya telling him- the music box, probably.

4. Tanveer's plan 2:

Plan 1 โ€“ baby- worked on Asad, not Zoya.

Plan 2 is to derail Zoya, for the same reason I mentioned- ASAD WILL NEVER ACCEPT HER IN HIS HEART, BECAUSE HE HATES GAFFUR FROM THE BOTTOM OF HIS HEART- tum use kho chuki ho, Zoya.

5. Zoya's reaction: I agree with your choice too. That is more like Zoya. She will keep silent and work her way through Tannu's trap.

6. . Mehendi: Symbolisms can be taken the way we perceive the story.

To me, it symbolises his initial blindness to her true feelings (upcoming...)๐Ÿ˜‰- the way you perceive it works too!๐Ÿ‘

Mil gayee: Since she came in search of something, she found it- her abbu? Her mohabbat? I like the Abbu ref you put there.๐Ÿ‘



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Posted: 12 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: chicksoup



Canadian chick,

Hi!,

Thank you so much, for the pain U took to write so much...๐Ÿค— No worries๐Ÿ˜ƒ

This is what I felt:

1. Zoya pines for her father. But she will never leave Asad for him, unless she feels Asad will not be able to accept him, given the baggage he carries about his own dad- he is VERY UNFORGIVING. - yes there this current track is to teach Asad to forgive IMO - Zoya had been willing to forgive Asad for SR incident and was still be willing to do nikkha last friday that means a lot for Asad. He has not been able to forgive Rashid but wanted Zoya to forgive him for the same mistake - i feel at the closure of SR track Asad will forgive his father and therefore it will pave the way for Ghaffur track

Also, Gul has brought them to a point where- Asad is dead sure of what he wants๐Ÿ‘- only Zoya-๐Ÿ‘ and he has told her too, that he will continue to love her. However, Zoya jumps to conclusion and makes assumptions when it comes to one person...Asad.๐Ÿ‘ Yes - this is somrthing Zoya needs to work on.

It took him that long to confess his feelings, what hse had been waiting to hear, almost since Mangalpur...even if she herself named her feelings much later.Yes

And she was the one who pushed him to come out with his feelings after the airport engagement, when he was clearly not interested in marrying her. In fact, until she confronted him with playing with her Aapi's felings, he had chosen to ignore anmy feelings at all. So to Zoya, it appears as if SHE HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR A RELATIONSHIP, he has some feelings, and he agreed, BECAUSE HE WAS A GENTLEMAN. She knows he will never hurt her, she can ALWAYS DEPEND ON HIM..but is not too sure about THE DEPTH OF HIS LOVE. Was it remorse that made him come out with that beautiful confession at Ajmer...would he not be able to forget her, if HE HAD TO... Zoya could see in Asads eyes and actions that he loved her but he was not saying anything was coz of fear of hurtung Zoya - he felt if he let her get close to him if would hurt her as he was Rashids son. Zoya kept pushing him coz he kept giving her mixed signals. The way he saved her from mangalpur and each in bathroom etc Zoya knows the intensity of his love as well and i feel thats what had given courage her to reveal her scar to him. Also i dont think he was remorse that made him confess but the acceptance of lovong her and not able to let her go even after his worst fears came to life - i.e he became his fathers son!

We will have to see how exactly the preg revelation and graveyard scene goes to come to any idea on this...

Asad will believe Tannu and in order to distract detective ZoyaTannu will play the father card.

If Zoya thinks that Asad stalled hs confession and almost gave up on his love, because she was Gaffur's daughter...in fact, his hatred even kept him from telling her the truth...that is one possibility. However, will Z believe Asad to be capable of such DUPLICITY?NO IMO Zoya will never feel this way about Asad

The second possibility: Zoya knows Asad does not know about this. The day he hears that, he will hate her, but accept her because of his sense of RIGHT. He went through all the rasams...MADE A PROMISE TO HER_ HE WILL NEVER BREAK IT..but will he LOVE HER THE SAME MEASURE KNOWING THIS? I personally prefer if they take this route. She might choose to maintain a distance, citing his abandonment of her twice, and her loss of trust in him. But she will stay with phoophi...as a daughter ...since she will also want to learn more about her abbu. Asad could take this as a totall lack of interest on her side, because ' SHE HAS ALWAYS QUESTIONED HIM- all the mitwa moments- she is the first one to shake out and even point fingers at him...it will look like she reached her saturation point with her tolerance of his 'INTENSITY'...just a hunch.

Yes i also hope they take this route

And if in this interim, she seeks Ayan's help to get closer to Siddiqui, keeping her secret to herself, and Ayan asks for help with Humeira...(once she has come out of Rajni state and rejects Ayan completely...), well, Asad Miyan has his ZoYan! ' (A very far fetched thought, since this is the only possibility of Zoyan I can see currently.) Maybe - waiting for the farhan track before predicting too much on this

Moulding: I agree, Asad is moulded. What about Zoya? I feel Asad will never go back on his love, whatever the circumstances- he has lost Zoya enough number of times, to risk going thru that again! Yes - Asad will never go back - Zoya is still a question mark when her past and future will be at cross roads

2. How will Asad react to Gaffur as Zoya's dad: He will gladly support her, even though he will be alert, since he knows how vile the man is, but he will shield her from the hatred he has for the man. The Q is, where will Z be, when Asad gets to know this, and how will he know this?ASYA will emotionally stay together through this If Gaffur himself breaks teh news and whisks Zoya away- note, Zoya has been huimiliated enough no: of times by Asad and Gaffur knows about the broken weding- if he accuses Asad of playing with his daughter's feelings to get back at him- (Zoya unaware of this convo)- and orders her home...won't Zoya leave...esp if Mr. KHAN IS TOO SHOCKED TO REACT? And wil Asad know about Zoya's true feelings, considering hse seems to have MOVED ON to him? If Ghaffur orders Zoya not to see Asad or break the relationship she will fight Ghaffur for Asad - gul might show the whole thing of girl having a right to choose her significant other

If that happens, the MUs will be cleared by the CVs, at least on Asad's side, preferably BOTH AsYa AT THE SAME TIME and he will pursue her at Gaffur's home and win her back with Ayan's help.This is what i hope to see as the future track - them together and fight to stay together

From there, he will support Zoya about her father,๐Ÿ‘ but Raziya could plan to kill Zoya...YES

3. Gaffur accepting her: I think for now, the secret will stay with Zoya. She can see that her Abbu has a family now, and she WILL NOT WANT TO COMPLICATE HIS LIFE WHEN he is not looking for her at all.

So, I feel the CVs will make it that Gaffur comes to know, without Zoya telling him- the music box, probably.

I feel both the father and daughter will find out but keep it to themselves (Ghaffur coz of his Izzat and coz he might be scared of what Razia would do to Zoya)

4. Tanveer's plan 2:

Plan 1 ' baby- worked on Asad, not Zoya.Yes

Plan 2 is to derail Zoya, for the same reason I mentioned- ASAD WILL NEVER ACCEPT HER IN HIS HEART, BECAUSE HE HATES GAFFUR FROM THE BOTTOM OF HIS HEART- tum use kho chuki ho, Zoya. Yes this is what Tannu hopes but the opposite will happen - i hope Asad accepts her regardless

5. Zoya's reaction: I agree with your choice too. That is more like Zoya. She will keep silent and work her way through Tannu's trap.๐Ÿ˜ƒ

6. . Mehendi: Symbolisms can be taken the way we perceive the story.

To me, it symbolises his initial blindness to her true feelings (upcoming...)๐Ÿ˜‰- the way you perceive it works too!๐Ÿ‘ yeah could go either way

Mil gayee: Since she came in search of something, she found it- her abbu? Her mohabbat? I like the Abbu ref you put there.๐Ÿ‘ thank u


eagerly waiting for todays episode๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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Posted: 12 years ago
#85

Thanx!๐Ÿ˜Š

Me too! Eagerly waiting...though I don't know if they will drag a bit with the other house, considering KaBhi going to SA etc...๐Ÿ˜•


I highlighted this point because I forgot to mention this initially,.

Zoya does not know of Asad's complex regarding his dad...she only knows that he hates the man...she still does not know she was the reason he kept himself away from her- his fear of hurting her in the long run...so she could see a tiny bit of it as altruism also. (like Ayan has...he has no clue his bhaijaan is madly in love...)

I am saying this because they have to give a reason for Zoya staying away from Asad despite knowing teh depth of his love for her...if she mistakes him at this point, she is justified in keeping herself away, to avoid hurting him more...

Also we have to remember his woh actually-s ...he kept bringing up their differences, and at one point she even thought he had elaborately set up a dinner to break up with her- I think that is very significant.๐Ÿ˜Š

Though, on second thoughts, she could connect the dots retrospectively...they have not shown her doing that...it was only after the dinner that she felt he was trying to tell her something dfifferent...since when had he fallen for her...she has no clue. And I feel for a long time, Z will stay blind to these dots, since she has the baby and her abbu on her mind...she will make a hasty decision wrt AsYa, not knowing Asad's true feelings...the since when and how much!๐Ÿ˜Š

And on Fri, she said- main jaanti hoon, aap mujhe kabhi chot nahi pahoonchayenge...very IMPORTANT...she did not say main janti hoon aap mujhse kitna pyar karte hai...
Edited by chicksoup - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: chicksoup


Thanx!๐Ÿ˜Š

Me too! Eagerly waiting...though I don't know if they will drag a bit with the other house, considering KaBhi going to SA etc...๐Ÿ˜•


I highlighted this point because I forgot to mention this initially,.

Zoya does not know of Asad's complex regarding his dad...she only knows that he hates the man...she still does not know she was the reason he kept himself away from her- his fear of hurting her in the long run...so she could see a tiny bit of it as altruism also. (like Ayan has...he has no clue his bhaijaan is madly in love...)

I am saying this because they have to give a reason for Zoya staying away from Asad despite knowing teh depth of his love for her...if she mistakes him at this point, she is justified in keeping herself away, to avoid hurting him more...

Also we have to remember his woh actually-s ...he kept bringing up their differences, and at one point she even thought he had elaborately set up a dinner to break up with her- I think that is very significant.๐Ÿ˜Š

Though, on second thoughts, she could connect the dots retrospectively...they have not shown her doing that...it was only after the dinner that she felt he was trying to tell her something dfifferent...since when had he fallen for her...she has no clue. And I feel for a long time, Z will stay blind to these dots, since she has the baby and her abbu on her mind...she will make a hasty decision wrt AsYa, not knowing Asad's true feelings...the since when and how much!๐Ÿ˜Š

And on Fri, she said- main jaanti hoon, aap mujhe kabhi chot nahi pahoonchayenge...very IMPORTANT...she did not say main janti hoon aap mujhse kitna pyar karte hai...

AGREED


true - btw: do u think the earing pic is coz his innocence is proven by Zoya but she has called it quits to the relationship as she found out about her dad and left (his clothes are different in that pic) The F32 pic article asks the question of what is Asad going to loose and i think the answer may be Zoya
Edited by CanadianChik - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: CanadianChik

AGREED


true - btw: do u think the earing pic is coz his innocence is proven by Zoya but she has called it quits to the relationship as she found out about her dad and left (his clothes are different in that pic) The F32 pic article asks the question of what is Asad going to loose and i think the answer may be Zoya


I didn't see that.

Can U give me a link?๐Ÿ˜ณ
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Very nice post and predictions, loved the mehendi symbolism and Subhan allah one...
I am waiting for this one badly "Asad in the pangs of regret" as during whole AsYa crying they sidelined it. And with regret, I dont want regret for losing Zoya, we saw it all but regret of what HE DID to her. Did we ever see him mad on what happened that night, I missed few scenes in between around tanveer but none across Asad and Zoya, but still wondering...
On friday we saw his tension or anxiety to see and talk to Tanveer before saying yes to maulvi for Nikah, I want some anger and regret before saying no to Zoya too now. Else his whole being in love with Zoya should be questioned...
If they want to continue with Tanveer, show some jealousy track in parallel. Enough of Tanu crap we are forced to watch all the time..
Hats off to you for rewatching Tammy seggy on friday, I swear I avoided so many times before I decided to give it a try once and that was it for me. All the dialog were badly written nothing new, I expected better writing atleast..
Edited by _vineeta_ - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hi everyone
I feel that the two symbolisms that will play a big part in the next few weeks:

1. Ring symbolism- Tanu whacks off the ring from Zoya's finger, holds it for a few seconds and it falls off.

2. Asad giving the photograph to Ayaan to help find the building from the photo

Don't panic but I see a short lived Asad-tannu engagement and Ayaan-Zoya alliance

Rest...let's just watch and see how it unfolds. We will have 3-4 more weeks of this separation and torture but then hopefully AsYa will reunite.
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Amaaazing symbolisms!!! Beyond amazing!!! Loved to read them!!!!

Great post!

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