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Laila Banu

@Laila2009

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Posted: 12 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: r.s._08
After reading your post, I've realized one thing: Asad is in for a VERY rude awakening.

He bullies Zoya, the one thats always been on his side, helped his family through so much, and done what is right. He even goes to the point where he ridicules her about not having parents, or not being worth a family at all, which I wholeheartedly believe is crossing the line. Slapping her was one thing, it made sense given the circumstance, but degrading a girl whose been craving parental warmth or stating quite bluntly that she doesn't deserve that warmth/relationship is not acceptable. She deserves it more than he does.

Second, he's filed a case against a man who is innocent. He may not know that, true, but he hasn't even tried to figure out if his father has actually done something to warrant him as guilty.

Third, he trusts Tanveer more than he should. Yes, you may have talked to her over the phone and she may be a childhood friend, but people change, that is a fact.

All-in-all he is a horrible judge of character. And, when the truth comes out, he has ALOT of forgiving to do and apologizing (especially to Zoya and I hope she gets her worth). He may be extremely handsome, but I want to see him get down on his knees, apologize for everything he's done to Zoya and then grovel until she eventually forgives him 😳

WOW, you didn't see the slapping as worse and made enough sense to make it actually justifiable? 😕 I liked your post until I read that one sentence and had to remove my like. I was astonished that you would think it would make sense but everything else does not.

You won't get a redemption track; it will be shoddy one to say the least as the writers clearly don't care to do one as the public is willing to give whatever they dole out which is pretty lame.

People forgive Asad because he is hot, but if he was some ugly dog, we would have been livid a long time ago.

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Meaningful

@Meaningful

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Posted: 12 years ago

#12

. i just wanted to see more of a struggle from Asad's side because at least that good allow one to believe Asad is fighting for justice and not revenge. for example, I liked that Asad called the orphanage to bring the dolls back. Right now Asad is blind folded by a piece of extra cloth of Tanveer's overflowing anarkali dress and is going ga-ga over tanveer and indulging in his favorite hobby ie putting Ms. Farooqi down at every possible chance. He does not have time for any investigation. He will be back in senses only when the blind fold is removed.

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nikolai_gogol

@nikolai_gogol

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Posted: 12 years ago

#13

Thanks Laila for directing me here.

As delena said I'm okay with Asad's actions against Rashid because Rashid is in fact a criminal and should be punished. Its good if Dilshaad, Ayaan, Shireen believe in Rashid's innocence and want to prove him not guilty but if Asad's convinced and has proof (being an eyewitness to Rashid digging up the dead body) its his right to take a stand against Rashid.

But with Zoya, the whole scenario is pathetic. If Asad had so much as bought the pizza and then sent Tanveer i would have been happy. As you rightly said Zoya needn't know Asad cares but show some glimpses of him being a human to us viewers atleast. For me the Zoya- Asad relationship propped by interesting side stories was the main charm. But the main part was Zoya- Asad relationship!

Well, justified or not Rashid fiasco is uninteresting, Asad being a douche bag is uninteresting, tanveer is uninteresting, Ayaan🤢 fighting for his dad is uninteresting. I'm guessing the trps really might tank unless there's some dhamakedaar twist in the near future(yes, I'm still hoping for it)

The best part of this week was me not getting to see Rashid on the screen😆 With the looming fear of Rashid's whining soon theres not much to look forward to really.

Edited by nikolai_gogol - 12 years ago

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livelytanu

@livelytanu

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Posted: 12 years ago

#14

I dnt know abt da Rashid part bt I agree with u in da Asad-Zoya part. Asad has 2 redeem himself. This guilt feeling is nothing. Bt I am very sure dat 4lions will skip da redemption part. they vl never learn 4m deir mistake.

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Daayan Bai

@KunwaariDaayan

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Posted: 12 years ago

#15

The CV's have dug this grave for Asad themselves,now it's a question of how they get him out of it!Redemtion just may be the answer to all our's and Zoya's prayers,well just our's maybe as it dnt take much for Zoya to be pleased😛 but this redemtion has gotta be up there along with ther greatest of the greats of the history of Indian TV.It has to be meaningful,heartfelt,sincere and most of all it has to make some sense.like you've mentioned just showing hin feeling guilty is not going to be enough.Some mental distress,agony has to be shown on Asad's part. The other thing I find is that the love story is not shaping up the way it was probably meant to.Something seems to have gone wrong somewhere.The whole conceptualization/excecution of the whole love plot seems to have taken a nose dive for the worst,the course of events leading up to this much awaited love tale just isn't falling into place to give us the intended bigger picture.On every Indian Tv show there is a love story which gradually falls into place by things,good or bad that happen in the lives of these potential lover's,they go through on a journey together of realization,denial,confession and reunion which all fall into place like a jigsaw puzzle to visually and mentally make sense but the problem with QH is that a lot of the pieces of the puzzle seem to be missing(loopholes) we got glimpses of realization,denial and confession from both Asad and Zoya but it was not in continuity,or has just been jumping from one thing to the next,,making it it all the more confusing,with the love story not falling into place as such for the much desried impact.The writing,screenplay,execution have all been very shoddy and amateur to say the least,that is probably why the character of Asad is highly despised for not having an element of something in his character to be able to relate to and sympathise with or feel a level of sincerety,only then I for one, will be able to swallow this romance and As for Asad taking Rashid's case back,I sure dnt agree ,as I feel Rashid deserves every punishment he gets.He is a culprit for a number of crimes,even if done in the name of compellation,he is still a criminal and as far as Asad is concerned he is just going by on what he has witnessed with his own eyes and his expected concern for his mother,so that is understandable and the other thing is I dnt want this raaz to carry on any longer than it has to,it has bored me to no ends and dnt think I can tolerate even another week of this utter nonsense. For now I really think the best thing would be for Zoya to leave teh Khan residence so atleast that way she keeps her self respect intact and this would be a great opportunity to actually see Asad regret his actions and be highly remorseful...he will begin to miss Zoya's presence,her weird ways and just everything about Zoya that he despises so much right now and as for Tanveer,instead of her identity being revealed as the much speculated Billo Rani,she should play more the catalyst in Asya love story or just simply be a good friend to the two as As really does need to realize on his own, what cock up he has made without anyone having to plant that seed of realization.

Btw great post,with great valid points!👍🏼.

Edited by shaz2009 - 12 years ago

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RMamsa

@RMamsa

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Posted: 12 years ago

#16

4-Lions male protagonist; embellished with negativity

The common trend is to portray an A-typical alpha male who hides his flawed nature behind well stitched suits. He is always offensive towards the leading lady, sometimes even after going through hell and back with her (Case in point- In IPK Arnav yells at khushi, blaming her as the reason behind his families unhappiness, wishing he had never met her in the first place. This was right after she risked her life & saved him & he was openly never more in love with her). This protagonists general disgraceful mannerisms is usually a result of being overly pampered by an elder sibling, grandmother or mother to make up for a troubled past which serves as the only justification for his constant shrewd behavior, no- attitude.

Asad's embellishments clearly highlight selfishness, prejudice, violence, an unforgiving nature & ignorance coupled with disregard for general emotions.

Out of all 4-Lions lead's to date Asad Ahmed Khan has been the least complicated & most cruel. We have seen very little evidence of concern for the world outside his created bubble. He has only been 'good' towards 'His' immediate family (sans father), brother & step sisters and on occasion employees. Even while caring for them it has always been about what is important to him, who is his priority and do's & don'ts he has lay out for them as per what HE believes is right.

The judgmental aspect of his negative embellishment is truly an eyesore because whenever he judges, he act's upon his judgement instead of keeping it to himself. Unfortunately, besides Rashid, Feroz & Haseena bi, this aspect of his personality keeps lashing out at Zoya. To an extent that it has brought into light an 'un-just' side of his.

While initial beating up of baddies and pushing zoya against the wall for his phone etc seemed typical tellywood alpha male traits; his violent streak has taken a constant up-rise since he slapped Zoya. Regular arm twists, shaking her by the shoulder, breaking furniture, slapping a stranger dressed as a ghost? & firing a gun at another individual.

His unforgiving side is still understandable towards his father but why he keep's blaming zoya over & over for everything that goes wrong is beyond me. The constant judging of her actions and abusive blaming no longer makes audiences want to wait for the well perfected 4-Lion's love-stems-from-guilt-&-sympathy philosophy. It's mean and hurtful to watch and quite frankly a turn off because it show's Zoya as a pushover with no dignity & Asad as an asshole. Ignoring her because he feels for her is one thing (still not understood by me) but sheer ignorance towards her just hints at fact that he needed a female around to emotionally support him, boost his ego & be available for physical displays of intimacy/affection (A hand squeeze here, a hug there)

Asad is myopic when it comes to appreciation of another's acts of care towards him. As long as Zoya remains his punching bag, even if she'd walk on water for him he'll never pay notice to it all by himself- unless someone points it out.

Asad Ahmed Khans character is moving from shades of grey to pitch black when it comes to Zoya specially & with such cruelty should come some very deep regret even before redemption is touched upon. Quiet frankly I don't see him ever regretting this phase; I see it as a mean's to make Zoya aware of her feelings & maybe make Asad aware of his preconceived notions on how a girl is defined by what she wears or how she eats, but I don't see Asad feeling bad about his distasteful attitude- for all we know as soon as Tanveer bruises his trust Zoya will jump in to cushion his pain & be ill-treated in the process again.

This character is not doing anything for me, be it KSG's or anyone else- good looks is not enough to enjoy this character. It's not the promised angry young man but a very mean and hostile 30 -something guy who is immature emotionally and is in dire need of exposure.

It's almost as if Asad's character & AsYa's love angle were never fully developed and prematurely plunged into the story.

P.s. Thank you for a great post 👏 & giving me an excuse to vent out my disappointment with the CV's for creating such a -ve protagonist.

Edited by RMamsa - 12 years ago

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-Anku-

@-Anku-

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Posted: 12 years ago

#17

I agree with what say about his terms with Zoya, he is in the wrong, and in relation to the story, whenever it reaches to the point of his realization I hope we get a good and long track of him redeeming himself by doing things to change the same hurt he gave her into pleasant memories and not just sorry's.

At the same time I honestly do not feel Asad is wrong in what he is doing against Rashid. Rashid is a man who has supported a crime even if he hasn't done it. He was called up to burn a factory and he went there and just burn't it? Without a question? And when he came to know that a person died when he did that, did he not want to find out what really happened? He stayed quiet for 17 years and did nothing to find out why he was asked to burn down a factory that changed his life upside down? Even after getting the proofs that were being held against him he went and gave it to Razia. In a way he has only supported crime, and if Asad has seen him contact the man who shot his mother and seen him at a burnt factory cleaning up remains of a dead body, and the man in question only fumbles when he can explain his side, I think any man in Asad's place would do what Asad is. Then any pleas from the family seem as their emotional attachment and not their practical sense to him.

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whatthewhat

@whatthewhat

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Posted: 12 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: RandomSquared

Feeling guilt after all this is done isnt redemption. That's just something you feel. Redemption is doing something to make up for your past mistakes. And this would be good for the story also. If Asad let Rashid go than the investigation would stop for a while and they can drag the raaz story. But at least that would make Asad a little more bearable. Asad also needs to something for Zoya, even if its in secret. Just so we know that deep down her feelings do matter to him. She doesn't need to know it, but as the audience I think we do. And if Asad did that, I would care if he and Tanveer sat on top of each other all day. There's a difference between pushing someone away and being cruel.

Awesome post!

With regards to Zoya, he is beyond redemption in my view. He hurts her, realizes how wrong he's been, apologizes and then does it all over again. He is incapable of realizing how narrow-minded and judgmental he is...If he truly felt sorry, he would be giving Zoya the benefit of the doubt...And no matter what, you don't keep throwing someone's unhappy childhood (lack of family) in their face.

That's the mark of an ugly and cruel person. He disgusts me.

With regards to Rashid: I agree with you that Asad is behaving like his usual self. He refuses to listen to his mother, to Ayaan etc...Whatever he's doing he's doing to punish Rashid for abandoning his family. BUT Dilshad and Ayaan are asking Asad to withdraw the case just because it is Rashid and they cannot believe he can do wrong. That's not the case. Rashid DID set the warehouse on fire. And why should Asad trust Rashid at all? Moreover, Asad gave Rashid a chance to explain himself...and Rashid is to cowardly to come clean...He did commit a crime. I cannot feel sorry for him just because he was taken for a ride by Razia.

In this case I don't have an opinion because I don;t care about Asad or Rashid! They deserve each other. Let's lock them up together!

Edited by narangi314 - 12 years ago

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r.s._08

@r.s._08

Beginner

Posted: 12 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: Laila2009

WOW, you didn't see the slapping as worse and made enough sense to make it actually justifiable? 😕 I liked your post until I read that one sentence and had to remove my like. I was astonished that you would think it would make sense but everything else does not.

You won't get a redemption track; it will be shoddy one to say the least as the writers clearly don't care to do one as the public is willing to give whatever they dole out which is pretty lame.

People forgive Asad because he is hot, but if he was some ugly dog, we would have been livid a long time ago.

I'd rather not start a topic on the whole slapping incident again, but no I didn't think it was worse, and that would be my opinion. He slapped her due a misunderstanding, and I know how wrong that was, but given the circumstance, it made sense to me. This however, is him purposely ridiculing her, degrading her for not having parents, and telling people bluntly that she doesn't deserve them. I don't know about you, but that hurts more than some slap. That is much worse than a slap because it cuts deep. Physical abuse hurts and is wrong (which I've said twice now), but the effects of emotional abuse are just as tremendous, sometimes much worse

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princessjojo

@princessjojo

Dazzler

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Posted: 12 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: r.s._08

I'd rather not start a topic on the whole slapping incident again, but no I didn't think it was worse, and that would be my opinion. He slapped her due a misunderstanding, and I know how wrong that was, but given the circumstance, it made sense to me. This however, is him purposely ridiculing her, degrading her for not having parents, and telling people bluntly that she doesn't deserve them. I don't know about you, but that hurts more than some slap. That is much worse than a slap because it cuts deep. Physical abuse hurts and is wrong (which I've said twice now), but the effects of emotional abuse are just as tremendous, sometimes much worse

I feel similarly. I won't say the slap made sense but I would say that I found it understandable.

On the other hand, Zoya's reaction, almost immediate forgiveness and the short redemption is something I cannot digest.

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