What was missing for me in the Mahaepisode

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Posted: 12 years ago
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There are several things that seemed amiss in yesterday's episode

Qubool Nahain Hai

When the groom's family realized that "Mariyam" had refused the Nikhaah, where was the moment of realization and confrontation at the bride's family? The groom's side should have at least confronted the father and then, when "Mariyam" runs, they threaten to kill her once they catch up with her. It was essential to explain to the audience WHO was chasing after her - was it the groom's family OR her own. We never knew. All we knew there were some goons.

Asad is ready to protect Zoya and when the father turns to him and hands him the keys to a motorbike, it makes sense as to how this whole matter transpired. Yes, him showing up was great but the timing was also very odd as he simply did not have time in the span of the show to get the bike and how did he?

Zoya running, Asad showing up was great - that scene was shot well.

Motorbike Chase

Technically very poorly shot. That bike was not going more than 20 miles an hour and the slow motion stuff was horrendously bad. There are multiple ways to shoot a scene. Ever heard of using stuntmen/women and then doing close-ups of Zoya and Asad. Just edit it...what I saw was something most amateurs in the US can do. Seriously bad.

In the Jungle.

They moved fast but they had to move fast properly - periodically the director seemed to have the actors forget that franticness. You are being chased - your life depends on it - show to the audience. You are not out for a casual stroll.

At the police station

Decent in some areas. I like the way the director started with the police officer and then we see Asad and Zoya - Asad trying to explain what was happening. At this point if the story was clearer he could have said they are chasing after a girl for refusing a nikhaah.

Then in the cell, it was VITAL for Zoya to tell Asad WHY she did what she did. The director's really screwed up here. It would give the character, Asad, the REASON to protect Zoya and when the bad guys come to threaten her, his decision to move her behind him all the more real and justifiable.

A fan of the show wrote an AMAZING fan fiction - the dialogue here was essential. However, even with Zoya telling him the truth, Asad can be equally mean and confrontative and suggest that she should still have come to him and that she was not to interfere. It is only after seeing these guys threaten them is when he realizes that she is right in what she does and has to get BOTH of them out of this mess.

In the STORE ROOM.

How did they end up in the storeroom and why? While this scene was good - it could have been better...lighting was bad and the Mitwa scene seemed just thrown in there. Just not effective and ruined the flow. What made no sense is the goons showed up, and then they showed up again. Were they put in the storeroom for the panchayat to try them? Very lost and confused here. Just very sloppy.

In the Jungle Again.

Watching them run from the jail - had to be faster - your life depends on it...the actual jungle scene dialogue here was good - scene was well shot...better.

At the dhaba

Perhaps the best scene of the whole episode. Here we finally have Asad addressing what happened to his car. I feel the early episode needed to explain that he did not leave it at the side of the road. The song on the radio, the renting of the room were brilliant.

Here is where they could have thrown in Zoya's attempt to drink something and Asad reminding her that they were handcuffed and how she planned on going to the restroom with him there (one of the writers on this thread gave an excellent dialogue here).

In the Honeymoon Suite

Where did that hammer come from? Seriously...could the director not have had Asad walk by a guy with a tool box and sneak out the hammer? That's what I would have done.

Eating food.

I think the video I watched had some stuff missing. I didn't see Zoya struggling with eating her food and her reluctance in taking a handful of food from Asad. That was essential. His reaction after feeding her was briliant. Plus the wink was cute. Those were good.

Him whispering to her not to eat and drink too much reminding her once again what might happen would have been vital. Aarti and Yash could comment on how cute it was that these two were whispering sweet nothings.

Song scene.
Really dragged for me. Who the heck watches a couple get intimate? Plus whenever Asad moved it was not justifiable - it seemed just a reason to bring her accidentally closer. A few of the moments were good like when he tried to adjust her dupatta that was great.

OK, I have not proof read this post but will later.

Here's hoping for more on Monday. Thanks for reading. I know some of you here LOVED this episode and there were moments that I did enjoy but because of all these flaws I did not get the same fulfillment as I had expected.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Laila,
Excellent write up! That u have not proof read it and made no typos, makes it even more brilliant!
If they had gone through their script in detail like u have detailed, would've saved them from a poor job.

Anyway, with all the goof ups and inconsistencies, I still find it in sync with all of the previous episodes. That means, for me, QH is not that great a show from the beginning and this episode was no different. Yes, there were some very beautiful scenes and scenarios, but on the whole, not very impressive.

Coming to the details of this episode -
1. Who were chasing?
That is bcos to them it wasn't important who were chasing and how it lead to the chase. Their main criteria seemed to be to show that Asya and Zoya are running together and in hand cuffs. The concentration was more to romanticize that part and hence the details that would've made it plausible were unfortunately left out.
Same goes to the scene where the edit showed the same chase scene shot in 3 diff angles :) that was so not required, but they tried to make stylish while they left out the basic details ! Poor job.

2. Motorbike?
Where exactly did that motorbike come from? And whose was it?

3. Jungle.
From the road they were going into jungle not coming out to find a dhaba. Who has a lodge-cum-dhaba inside a jungle?

4. Actual truth not disclosed
Of course we know the writer made Intelligent Zoya a little stupid and dumb by leaving out the most important point , that of the rape and hence her advise for the girl to run away. Why, why bcos they want to drag the misunderstandings between Asad-Zoya so that they can make some more episodes on that - 'Zoya is the biggest problem herself' topic. Kinda getting repetitive, Asad rather insensitive & not utilizing his brains and going off on a tangent , not asking the right questions and always personally attacking Zoya and her parents of their upbringing of her. In addition they are dumbing down Zoya a lot.

5. Store room?
Oh no, I don't thnk it was a separate store room, just that the jail cell extended to the back and it was being utilized to store unwanted stuff and it looked dungeon with no light.

6. The whole time my head was wandering to how is she going to spend the whole day without going to the restroom? :-o I guess, since they are fictional , they don't even have such natural requirements :)

7. All points noted Laila, and I agree - no one sits there and watches another couple get romantic. At one side, Asad is Helping Zoya, but at the same time, it didn't sit well that bcos of that sudden jerk action, Zoya's wrist bleeds from the handcuffs and there is no remorse in him. Of course he doesn't say sorry, so I can't expect that, but at least a little sad? guilty? None!

I did like his wink and also when Zoya finally feels very uncomfortable and looks away and he is trying to look at her.
But couldn't make out if he was liking her? Feeling sorry for her? Falling in love with her? Or what? For me, the Asad-Zoya part is very poorly written. There is no clarity in the script when it comes to them, but the rest of the QH with their characters, the story is well conveyed. It seems like they haven't made up their minds and still toying with the idea as to how to take this part of the story further and hence so much of uncertainty in the script.

For me, the major disappointment in QH is Zoya's characterization. It is not at all consistent. I like her spunk and I laugh at some of the funny stuff, but there is no seriousness when required and she is suddenly made silly and that makes me lose credibility over that character.

Anyway QH isn't a serious watch for me.


Originally posted by: Laila2009

There are several things that seemed amiss in yesterday's episode

Qubool Nahain Hai

When the groom's family realized that "Mariyam" had refused the Nikhaah, where was the moment of realization and confrontation at the bride's family? The groom's side should have at least confronted the father and then, when "Mariyam" runs, they threaten to kill her once they catch up with her. It was essential to explain to the audience WHO was chasing after her - was it the groom's family OR her own. We never knew. All we knew there were some goons.

Asad is ready to protect Zoya and when the father turns to him and hands him the keys to a motorbike, it makes sense as to how this whole matter transpired. Yes, him showing up was great but the timing was also very odd as he simply did not have time in the span of the show to get the bike and how did he?

Zoya running, Asad showing up was great - that scene was shot well.

Motorbike Chase

Technically very poorly shot. That bike was not going more than 20 miles an hour and the slow motion stuff was horrendously bad. There are multiple ways to shoot a scene. Ever heard of using stuntmen/women and then doing close-ups of Zoya and Asad. Just edit it...what I saw was something most amateurs in the US can do. Seriously bad.

In the Jungle.

They moved fast but they had to move fast properly - periodically the director seemed to have the actors forget that franticness. You are being chased - your life depends on it - show to the audience. You are not out for a casual stroll.

At the police station

Decent in some areas. I like the way the director started with the police officer and then we see Asad and Zoya - Asad trying to explain what was happening. At this point if the story was clearer he could have said they are chasing after a girl for refusing a nikhaah.

Then in the cell, it was VITAL for Zoya to tell Asad WHY she did what she did. The director's really screwed up here. It would give the character, Asad, the REASON to protect Zoya and when the bad guys come to threaten her, his decision to move her behind him all the more real and justifiable.

A fan of the show wrote an AMAZING fan fiction - the dialogue here was essential. However, even with Zoya telling him the truth, Asad can be equally mean and confrontative and suggest that she should still have come to him and that she was not to interfere. It is only after seeing these guys threaten them is when he realizes that she is right in what she does and has to get BOTH of them out of this mess.

In the STORE ROOM.

How did they end up in the storeroom and why? While this scene was good - it could have been better...lighting was bad and the Mitwa scene seemed just thrown in there. Just not effective and ruined the flow. What made no sense is the goons showed up, and then they showed up again. Were they put in the storeroom for the panchayat to try them? Very lost and confused here. Just very sloppy.

In the Jungle Again.

Watching them run from the jail - had to be faster - your life depends on it...the actual jungle scene dialogue here was good - scene was well shot...better.

At the dhaba

Perhaps the best scene of the whole episode. Here we finally have Asad addressing what happened to his car. I feel the early episode needed to explain that he did not leave it at the side of the road. The song on the radio, the renting of the room were brilliant.

Here is where they could have thrown in Zoya's attempt to drink something and Asad reminding her that they were handcuffed and how she planned on going to the restroom with him there (one of the writers on this thread gave an excellent dialogue here).

In the Honeymoon Suite

Where did that hammer come from? Seriously...could the director not have had Asad walk by a guy with a tool box and sneak out the hammer? That's what I would have done.

Eating food.

I think the video I watched had some stuff missing. I didn't see Zoya struggling with eating her food and her reluctance in taking a handful of food from Asad. That was essential. His reaction after feeding her was briliant. Plus the wink was cute. Those were good.

Him whispering to her not to eat and drink too much reminding her once again what might happen would have been vital. Aarti and Yash could comment on how cute it was that these two were whispering sweet nothings.

Song scene.
Really dragged for me. Who the heck watches a couple get intimate? Plus whenever Asad moved it was not justifiable - it seemed just a reason to bring her accidentally closer. A few of the moments were good like when he tried to adjust her dupatta that was great.

OK, I have not proof read this post but will later.

Here's hoping for more on Monday. Thanks for reading. I know some of you here LOVED this episode and there were moments that I did enjoy but because of all these flaws I did not get the same fulfillment as I had expected.

Edited by bee5 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Okay one thing I'l agree with you upon will be the hammer in the 'honeymoon suite' lol! I thought rest of the episode was brilliant
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Posted: 12 years ago
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They could have done a lot better job with the episode. I am not a fan of the maha sangram epis because they always do it with shows I don't know. They force the mixing of the characters and it doesn't make any sense. As a QH fan it was hard to watch Maan (don't know him at Yash) and his story when I had no idea what was going on with the custody hearing.

I enjoyed the epi but there were lots of holes in the script, cinematography and editing. They never did explain the characters in Mangalpur ... who were his mama mami. I was also confused with who was chasing them... the parents or the grooms people. It didn't make sense. In the jungle it seemed like they were going back and forth around the same tree.

I hope at the end all of this we get some softening of Asad towards Zoya. That he listens to her for a change. At least about why Zoya helped Merriam.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Not trying to argue with any of the things mentioned above. Agree with almost every one of them. There are lot of inconsistencies in the episode like Zoya had no earrings when in the prison (or behind bars rather) and had a dangly earring later. Where did Dilawar mamu go after Mariyam ran away? They don't show him at all. That is totally odd.
I have learned one thing about these soaps. It is very hard and strenuous work for all the people and the number of hours these people put to get every day's episode is a lot. Numerous mistakes happen because the script is not sit on. What I mean is they have so much less time to come up with a plan and think in detail. We should not use logic at all sometimes.
I feel in coordinating with the other director (PV) and trying to shoot more stuff, more mistakes have been made. If you look at in another direction, the episode was interesting and that is why we all have watched it multiple times to dissect it even more.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Wow .. You really didn't like it much..yes ? 😊

I only looked at Asad and Zoya. scanned the entire tamasha @nuthouse. didn't pay attention to brown shirt and yellow (& pink) sari much. What stood out most for me was the longing looks Zoya had while watching brown shirt and pink sari.

Also..Zoya was looking so beautiful throughout the lag ja gale.

I loved Asad and Zoya during lag ja gale ...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Liked your mature constructive criticism, Laila2009.
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nice posts but i enjoyed the episode a lot
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All the technicalities you proposed i completely agree with. At times it was shotty camera work, shotty action sequences (bike/jungle) and poor script. Things good have been done much better in fact i also feel it seened choppy. For example, the scene where asad was using hammer to break handcuffs, it looked as if there was meant to be a convo but it didnt materialize. Ksg kept looking up at surbi but in the end zoya only said like one thing. Then when yash arti spot the both it immediately cuts to the four having lunch together. Idk it seemed really choppy and there wasnt any continuity between scenes and shots. The dark room when asad zoya had the mitwa moment, I COULDNT SEE THEM. =| all i saw was dark. Poor lighting ruined the entire scene. I felt as if technicalities wise the mahasangam lacked immensly. Not that im conplaining about the vast attention qubool hai had in this show merger episode, i also LOVE punar vivah just as much and so i was also upset that pv got very bad amount of screen space. Plus one shot yash arti were speaking to mummyji yashs mom about going to mangalpur and next shot the gubdas after zoya asad catch yash arti in a room at the dhabba instead... I mean how did they get there that quickly from bhopal? If they can get there so quick wouldnt asad zoyas car from bhopal be able to come that quickly too, and not the mext morning? Makes no sense =|

Anyways! All in all very lackluster. But overall i think storywise there was plenty progress which was the only benefit. Both qubool hai and pvivahs stories moved forward dramatically in just one episode and the second half of te sangam is still left. So in really happy on that front.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I went back and read ur post and lmfao didnnt even realize the hammer thing! Ur so right! How odd is that like who the heck leaves a hammer in the honeymoon suit! Haha

Also the mariyam point meaning ur first points on who the goons where i think thats the only forgivable aspect of the episode. Creative didnt have to focus on the details of her family and stuff because its not that inportant or at least would have just wasted time. But i do think it coul have been useful to the advantage of asad and zoya in that while mariyams family argued zoya makes and escape and asad is shown taking bike keys and ten both meeting out front.

I also agree with the song sequence. It was soo AWKWARD. Like knowing asads character the moment he saw yash aarti romancing he would have gotten up and left dragging zoya with him, but he sat and watched =| and who does that alsoo who watches a couple get intimate like that..? Lol.

Two things i want to add though:

One is i really enjoyed the breaks back to aayan humairas problem at home! But even in that sequennce i had a few faults or contentions. One is humaira got brainwashed by her mother which i have a feeling is going to ruin the innocence and honesty of her character and also ... When nikhat heard zoya scream over the phone i expected there to be a better result in that maybe when aayan went over to dilshads, dilshad is told over the phone of her sons "misdeeds" and dilshad tells aayan because of which he sets out to help his bhaijaan. But instead it ended up being a "got no where" scene btw dilshad and aayan.

Finally on the point someone made about mahasangams veing forced and character btw shows have no connections and still oddly meet... I agree. While this is true that characters between shows in mahasangams dont have any connections, this is the ONE rare occasion the sangam WORKED. Only because both families live in the same city: bhopal. And dilshad serving as a jury member in yah aartis case was rather random as was yash and aartis mangalpur visit so it could have executed better ... Maybe dilsha gets a call saying can u serve as a jury member or something... But i felt loosely though boyh shows could have been connected mainly cause they live in the same city ...

As for it being forced i think creatives do these as a way for audiences who wTch one show to be exposed to another hows plot through a crossover which if they like they can start watching that show too.. In otherwords to get audiences.

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