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Posted: 13 years ago
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Ashrun

I am glad u put across ur views ...lemme help u dear with whatever I can

1. It's a fictional show and it's about Time, not u in general, but people start treating fiction as fiction...causes so much less stress for the makers and the fans ...

2. Coz it's a story and has to run for years there would be a few ups and downs..has a happened since ages and will keep happening ...NORMAL N NATURAL

3. The characters are usually logical and at times I accept they aren't logical...but if the makers start showing only logic TRUST ME THE SHOW WILL FINISH IN A FEW WEEKS ..LET ALONE MONTHS ..,there have to be downs to bring about the ups ...it follows s crest n trough pattern ...

4. ASad Ahmad khan has been portrayed as a grey character coz THE MAKERS WANT U IE THE FANS TO HATE HIM NOW ,.ONLY TO FALL IN LOVE WITH HIM LATER...
He will apologize for his behavior..the show has started ..CHILL N IT'S NOT A MOVIE TO WRAP UP IN 3 HOURS ...

5. There is a term character spacing out- where all side characters are used according to the need not unnecessarily..hence sometimes Najma will be less on screen and sometime more ...

sincere advice to ur constructive criticism ...I would not say all but some of the points u mentioned are valid n some aren't ...

It would also be nice if with the constructive criticism you could share FEW LINES OF APPRECIATION...IT WONT DO ANY HARM ...plus motivates the people off screw who WORK DAY IN AND DAY OUT TO DELIVER ...EVEN ON HOLIDAYS ...

Nothing personal ...peace out ..forgive typos
PS u can PM if u have doubts ...I am stepping out ..won't be available for a while.
Edited by varma.nishi1 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Omg... How keenly you watch the show.. Never thaught about it
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hey there,
Nice post... Completely agree with you! In fact when im watching it i often ask myself "is that how normal people react?" And then my husband rolls his eyes and asks "we'll, why are you watching it?!" 😊

But honestly, there have been several such instances... I liked the AsYa railway station scene but there were loopholes. Then the Haseena scene where she goes on taunting them... Why don't they react soon enough? Another case was when Razia and Shireen find Rashid with Dilshad and he doesn't come to her defence nor does Dilshad defend herself...

Regarding Ayaan, it is a bit of a stretch, but he is a bit self absorbed and focused on his family - his mom, himself, his sis, etc. Else, he wouldn't go to Asad and talk about his folks. It's rather insensitive of him, given how Asad feels about their dad. I think someone had pointed it out here.

As for Nikhat, I felt like she could have sensed something was off but Nuzhat landed there. The scene could have received much better treatment IMO. E.g. Before Nuzhat finds them, Humaira is starting to talk about it like she did but shuts up when Nuzhat walks in. Nuzhat senses they were discussing something and probes... But Nikhat is too scared and feigns illness. So the other two tend to her symptoms, but Nikhat is still wondering whether there's more to what Humaira wanted to say.

najma could definitely do with more dialogues... She's definitely good at emoting, so we should get to see her character evolve.

As for Asad and Zoya, there are times I question if they're behaving like regular people. Yes we all have family or friends with similar traits... But sometimes Zoya comes across as disrespectful towards her hosts... One can be messy but it doesn't mean one is going to be the same way while living as a guest.

Asad is sometimes too judgemental but it's typical of Gul's heroes... They like to think the worst of the female lead and then fall irrevocably in love. Typical M&B stuff. However, since this is a social drama they must moderate the character a bit..

Someone wrote about how Asad forgot Zoya's tears the day he first saw her... I thought it might be cos he didn't register that she was the same girl. He remembers her coming in the way of his car but not the dargah scene perhaps?

I could go on... But I'll stop for now! πŸ˜‰

I'm glad you brought this up... And I hope we have more such sane discussions in the future. 😊
Edited by adeeti10 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Okay i don't want to be rude but i have to disagree. I mean i have a different view on the things you mentioned.

1. Yes ayaan was shown a bit insensitive but i found it only in the fact that he did not promise to listen to humeira when he attended the call. Before that he was being his usual self with his best friend. He took it for granted that she was a bit upset about bunking college. He was not literally paying attention to her or the fact that she was upset. Let me remind you that most of the time humeira was facing away from ayaan. And her being upset was to show the audience that she was disturbed not ayaan.

2. Well about najima. She has been shown as a sheltered girl who does not voice her opinions even if she has them. We can see nuzat and nikhat having o many dialogues is that they have each other and ayaan and humeira. Who does najima have to voice her opinions around? Making fun and sharing secrets with her mom is hardly appropriate and akru ahmed khan? Seriously? How can she talk to him? Now she has zoya but still they have just only met so she cannot be shown talking all day long to her new guest.

3. Well when asad said that zoya was very hurt. And yes it was very insulting. But how can she just leave again? Its wrong. That time she left because she had no idea about how different india is from new York. Yes herself respect was hurt like last time. But what happened when she left last time. She got into trouble and asad ended up saving her which is even more humiliating for her as it was like a favour from asad on her and it just proved him right. So her not leaving the house only proves that she is not exactly careless and a dumbo that everyone assumes her to be. She is much more sensible who learns from her mistakes. And as for asad as it is shown he is set in his ways and he thinks its zoya's fault because he has seen time and again that her impulsiveness puts her in trouble. In fact he saw that she can take wrong decisions based on her instincts like in case of Elena. So its natural for him to think that she is at fault.

4. About disrespecting his mom he was just trying to convince her to let zoya go meet akram (not imran). And his mom knew that. that is why she was so sure that if zoya didn't want to go and she supported zoya then asad would not force zoya to go. But zoya agreed because her selfrespect was hurt and so she was trying to prove to asad that she has no reason to hide her face and that she was not wrong.

As for asad letting her go alone i didn't find it wrong. I mean the meeting is in broad daylight in a public place. Also he is not a total stranger. He and zoya were about get married. Also akhram has worked for asad for 3 yrs. Asad treats him like his family. And so he is sure about his character. And i don't blame him meaning the way that akhram was moping and wallowing about his broken marriage who would have thought he'd be such a jerk.

So in my opinion i did not find any thing wrong with the episode but that is my opinion though. but i did like the fact that you brought this up. Bye.😊

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: varma.nishi1

Ashrun


I am glad u put across ur views ...lemme help u dear with whatever I can

1. It's a fictional show and it's about Time, not u in general, but people start treating fiction as fiction...causes so much less stress for the makers and the fans ...


2. Coz it's a story and has to run for years there would be a few ups and downs..has a happened since ages and will keep happening ...NORMAL N NATURAL

3. The characters are usually logical and at times I accept they aren't logical...but if the makers start showing only logic TRUST ME THE SHOW WILL FINISH IN A FEW WEEKS ..LET ALONE MONTHS ..,there have to be downs to bring about the ups ...it follows s crest n trough pattern ...

4. ASad Ahmad khan has been portrayed as a grey character coz THE MAKERS WANT U IE THE FANS TO HATE HIM NOW ,.ONLY TO FALL IN LOVE WITH HIM LATER...
He will apologize for his behavior..the show has started ..CHILL N IT'S NOT A MOVIE TO WRAP UP IN 3 HOURS ...

5. There is a term character spacing out- where all side characters are used according to the need not unnecessarily..hence sometimes Najma will be less on screen and sometime more ...

sincere advice to ur constructive criticism ...I would not say all but some of the points u mentioned are valid n some aren't ...

It would also be nice if with the constructive criticism you could share FEW LINES OF APPRECIATION...IT WONT DO ANY HARM ...plus motivates the people off screw who WORK DAY IN AND DAY OUT TO DELIVER ...EVEN ON HOLIDAYS ...

Nothing personal ...peace out ..forgive typos
PS u can PM if u have doubts ...I am stepping out ..won't be available for a while.


Hey there,
Seems from your post like you work with/ for the show or are connected some way. Are you? If so, keep the good work, and aim for greatness!

I agree that it's a fictional show... And there's such a thing as creative liberty. But it could be stretched a little less sometimes πŸ˜‰

Ups and downs can be shown without showing character inconsistencies... Or to help drag it for years, we could perhaps get an insight into why a certain character takes a certain action... Like yesterday when Razia talks about what is at stake if Nikhat doesn't get married to Imran. We know it is a drama, and I might be in a minority here but A little realism wouldn't hurt 😊

I agree that no character can be portrayed as logical because in life no one is logical at all times. But let's show why they behave the way they do... I'd love to know why Rashid suddenly feels the need to reach out to his first wife 17 years later... What Dilshad feels about this... I liked that they showed it initially and it would be good to explore further...

Asad is a grey character... Agreed. He is not perfect... And shouldn't be. So no issues there 😊

Character spacing out is essential especially in long soap/ dramas and that's why it's important to allow side characters to evolve... The context for najma was set... And I'm going to give it time... Like you said it's just started, early days!

I'm not sure if I am reading more into it... But isn't constructive criticism welcome? I got a sense it wasn't in this case... But I could be wrong.

As for the bit about appreciation, I think the very fact that this is just one post among so many appreciation threads and show inspired fan fictions is evidence enough that this show is being lapped up by most of the audience... πŸ‘Just like appreciation won't do harm, a little critique shouldn't hurt either - would be nice if its taken positively. 😊

But yes, we hear ya... So here's a big shout out to the cast and crew! Fab job folks, for most part... πŸ‘

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: adeeti10

Hey there,
Nice post... Completely agree with you! In fact when im watching it i often ask myself "is that how normal people react?" And then my husband rolls his eyes and asks "we'll, why are you watching it?!" 😊

But honestly, there have been several such instances... I liked the AsYa railway station scene but there were loopholes. Then the Haseena scene where she goes on taunting them... Why don't they react soon enough? Another case was when Razia and Shireen find Rashid with Dilshad and he doesn't come to her defence nor does Dilshad defend herself...

Regarding Ayaan, it is a bit of a stretch, but he is a bit self absorbed and focused on his family - his mom, himself, his sis, etc. Else, he wouldn't go to Asad and talk about his folks. It's rather insensitive of him, given how Asad feels about their dad. I think someone had pointed it out here.

As for Nikhat, I felt like she could have sensed something was off but Nuzhat landed there. The scene could have received much better treatment IMO. E.g. Before Nuzhat finds them, Humaira is starting to talk about it like she did but shuts up when Nuzhat walks in. Nuzhat senses they were discussing something and probes... But Nikhat is too scared and feigns illness. So the other two tend to her symptoms, but Nikhat is still wondering whether there's more to what Humaira wanted to say.

najma could definitely do with more dialogues... She's definitely good at emoting, so we should get to see her character evolve.

As for Asad and Zoya, there are times I question if they're behaving like regular people. Yes we all have family or friends with similar traits... But sometimes Zoya comes across as disrespectful towards her hosts... One can be messy but it doesn't mean one is going to be the same way while living as a guest.

Asad is sometimes too judgemental but it's typical of Gul's heroes... They like to think the worst of the female lead and then fall irrevocably in love. Typical M&B stuff. However, since this is a social drama they must moderate the character a bit..

Someone wrote about how Asad forgot Zoya's tears the day he first saw her... I thought it might be cos he didn't register that she was the same girl. He remembers her coming in the way of his car but not the dargah scene perhaps?

I could go on... But I'll stop for now! πŸ˜‰

I'm glad you brought this up... And I hope we have more such sane discussions in the future. 😊

Hiii 😊
Yes, I always laugh at some of the reactions that the characetrs give. I mean we are not allowed to bring up other shows otherwise I would give you an example lol. All the instances you mentioned did deserve better reactions from the characetrs. I totally agree, and saying that the show has to go on for years is not an exucse to show loopholes in the story and make people react in ways thata re deemed unreasonable. Ofcourse everybody has a different definition of "normal", but still there are certain norms that have been set by our society and indian dramas tend to go against them at times.For example, when people allow themselves to get bashed in front of so many guests, I find it weird because if such a situation occured in real life, people would all be talking at once and trying to do something aout it instead of just standing there and speaking slowly. Also the guests would leave instead of just standing there. If not leave, then they would atleast ask everybody to calm down. Anyway, even I could go on about the way in which people react lol!Now coming to Nikhat, I guess the scene yesterday shifted abruptly from them to others so I was left wondering what she does. The epi that airs on Friday in India airs on Sunday in America so I want to see Nikhat making Humera spill the beans on what transpired b/w her and the guy. Yes, I agree even Zoya is OTT sometimes, but as you said about Gul's guys, if you've noticed all her girls are unique LOL they will do the weirdest things and the audience will call them "cute", but if we normal people do those things in life, we will probably be disliked. and BINGO as you said " they must moderate the character a bit" . I mean it IS afterall a drama about human beings so they have to make it look close to life instead of being sooo imaginative with their characters that you have to pause and think about the validity of their actions.Showing flaws is alright, but they really exaggerate it at times like the whole Zoya being messy thing and Asad's dialogues.As for what asad remembers, I thought it was
another loophole because they showed Asad staring at Zoya for sooo long while the qawwali played and then suddenly he is shown to remember ONLY the part where she says " My nikaah isn't today". They need to clarify why he only remembers that bit because they even showed Asad visibly feeling sorry for a girl he saw crying.But I also understand what YOU think 😊
I remember talking to you on the IPKKND forum a long time ago, I also hope to have more such discussions in the future. Thank you so much for all your responses and a healthy discussion!! 😊 Also thanks for replying to the person who doesn't want to hear any criticism. If the whole purpose of making the post was constructive criticism , why would I bring in appreciation??The fact that I care enough to provide suggestions means that I like the show, but people don't get that.It's funny how the they don't want to hear any feedback from a loyal viewer.
Edited by AshRun - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: rajsuasrkian

About Asad peeping into zoya business

but i strongly felt he was talking on behalf of Akram as he have seen whats Akram going thru after his roka broke up . He worked for him for 2yrs and as Asad said all employees is like his family member sooo He was talking on behalf of Akram if its zoyas business its Akram business too ...

But a person who is working very good in his office for 2yrs without any giving negative sign how will Asad know that Akram is such a creepy person ...

When zoya was tring to help rashid without know the whole story she became mahan and when Asad tring to help Akram to get over his depression he became male chauvinist ?

i have been saying and will always say fault is from both side so blamming one is not right

I never even compared these two situations so I don't know why you are bringing it up. However, I will still respond by saying that working with somebody does NOT reveal alla spects of their personality. Asad only knows Akram on a prefessional level. Akram is not Asad's best friend to know all about him. Besides, Asad said he worked for 3 years and that is not enough to know all about an employees family background. For all you knwo akram could be one person at work and another person at home around hsi family. Defending Akram to the extent of going against his mom is therefore not right, in my opinion. Plus, When Zoya helped Rashid it was because he said he wants to apologise TO someone not ASK for an apology. Zoya is only helping him to rectify his mistakes because that is all that Rashid wants to do. Uniting someone witha person they MISS is entirely different. And asking someone to tell another person why they wronged them despite your Mom saying NO is another story altogether.
Edited by AshRun - 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: AshRun

1. Please show people reacting in a logical way. In every indian drama that I watch, I see people reacting in the strangest ways to some situations.All Ayaan did today was joked around with a sad girl and then left to answer some call without atleast telling her that he will talk to her later. In an effort to stick to Ayaan's primary character sketch of being a flirt, don't show him flirting with people on the phone when a girl who is standing in front of him is emotionally unstable.When Nikhat saw that Humera is tying to say something to her, why was she more concerned about making her feel warm and giving her medicines ? πŸ˜† I am sorry, but that looked ridiculous. Instead of asking her what happened, and urging her to finish what she was saying, she said " let me go get medicine for you"...It just made the girls look stupid. Make them react more sensibly please.

2. Why does Najma have such few dialogues ? She doesn't talk even when there is a lot going on around her. It's nice to see thats he respects her brother and allows him to speak without interrupting him. However, at times it is nice to show that she has opinions of her own which she chooses to voice. The actress has a pretty face, but she's not being given the opportunity to ACT, like..literally.
3. The worst thing Asad said today was " In ke jiju ne inhen yahan chood to diya par inke harkaton ke baare mein nahin bataya"?? Where is Zoya's dignity now?? Last time she left the house, this time too, she should have just left the house. I strongly feel that Zoya should have just left the house. What he said about Zoya's jiju leaving Zoya with them was so insulting and they even showed Zoya's reaction to that which showed how MUCH that hurt her. That was so insulting, it's like saying that someone gave you something without telling you about it's poor quality and now you're stuck with it. My advice to CVs is that if they want to show AsYa having a future together then they need to make Asad say things that just show difference in thinking instead of showing him be a plain jerk to her. Later on it's going to be hard to see them getting all lovey-dovey when these past scenes are remembered.
4. Asad was shown to be a guy who respected his Mom so much that he allowed Zoya in the house and tolerated her only for his Mom then how come he is going against him Mom to send Zoya to meet some stranger guy?? When Dilshad is saying that her Jiju allowed her to run away from the shaadi, then why is he still hell bent upon sending her there?? Just to satisfy his ego?? IF Zoya was really wrong, wouldn't Zoya's jiju ask her to apologize, ya know being the good guy he is according to his Mom?? For Asad, Imran's need for an answer is suddenly more valuable than his mother's wishes and statements. It's like he is set to fight for the rights of others even if he has to go against his Mom. I don't think Cvs should contradict what they showed in the beginning regarding Asad-Dilshad equation.
These are all the things that I found wrong about today's episode, if anyone else has suggestions as well, then do comment because we never know , someone from 4Lions might actually read it. If you found this offensive then don't even bother to comment because I am just saying all this because I care abt the quality of this drama. SO yeah, agree or disagree but politely please. don't bring in actors and start defending KSG or some other actor because I didnt say anything bad about them.

hi ash...great post. Believe me there is never a logic in any story when a woman who has been verbally insulted by the male lead falls in love with the same person...there is no logic when the great hero is seen rescuing the female from the kidnappers because in real life any self respected and dignified woman who is insulted will ever fall in love with the same man or she will be rescued by anyone...in reality she will either get raped or killed. But be assured that Ms Gul will make Zoya fall in love with Asad and she will be rescued by him and the whole scenario will be followed with one of his righteous lectures about how she was wrong in rejecting Akram. Honestly I don't watch Ayaan scenes because I never liked him from the beginning...yes, I like Najma a lot. I don't know what is happening with the female characters in the show because in one of her interviews ms Gul mentioned that she made QH to clarify the misconceptions people have about the Muslim culture. I really want to know what they have shown till now is not clarifying any misconceptions but proving otherwise that women are a commodity, they are timid and always have to standup when a male is in the room. They cannot talk freely in front of the male...there are more examples. What Gul is showing is a regressive society instead of clarifying it because I have Muslim friends who are not a bit like these women in QH.
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hi ash...great post. Believe me there is never a logic in any story when a woman who has been verbally insulted by the male lead falls in love with the same person...there is no logic when the great hero is seen rescuing the female from the kidnappers because in real life any self respected and dignified woman who is insulted will ever fall in love with the same man or she will be rescued by anyone...in reality she will either get raped or killed. But be assured that Ms Gul will make Zoya fall in love with Asad and she will be rescued by him and the whole scenario will be followed with one of his righteous lectures about how she was wrong in rejecting Akram. Honestly I don't watch Ayaan scenes because I never liked him from the beginning...yes, I like Najma a lot. I don't know what is happening with the female characters in the show because in one of her interviews ms Gul mentioned that she made QH to clarify the misconceptions people have about the Muslim culture. I really want to know what they have shown till now is not clarifying any misconceptions but proving otherwise that women are a commodity, they are timid and always have to standup when a male is in the room. They cannot talk freely in front of the male...there are more examples. What Gul is showing is a regressive society instead of clarifying it because I have Muslim friends who are not a bit like these women in QH.

Hi!! thank you! All her stories lack logic big time. There are very few good shows on Indian television which is why I watch QH in the 9 PM slot. I didn't trust Gul after getting betrayed in her last show, but I wanted to see how she would handle a love story between 2 muslim characters. Until now or should I say that since the past few weeks, I've been enjoying the scenes between Asad and Zoya, but now I feel like they are a perfect MISmatch lol! I had this feeling about her lead couple during her recent show which went off-air and that's when I quit watching that show. I feel like QH is going to join the club of shows that I just quit midway. My Mom was loving the show and started watching the show on my insistence, but today when I spoke to her over the phone, she said that she is tired of watching the Haseena Bi drama. We are muslim and My mom feels that the way they are showing the interactions between the grooma nd brides side of the family is really inaccurate. Gul is only showing that muslim women are manipulative ( example : Humera's Mom ) , shy, sad and scared ( example : Najma, Humera, Nikhat),always judged ( example : Zoya by Asad and Akram),and greedy(Haseena Bi). You are SO right, she is not proving any of the stereotypes wrong.
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Nice view, agree! (: Thankss for d post! (:

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