Intellect and Innocence

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Okay so another essay😆. Read at your peril⭐️. Its from PayPal and Ansh's perspective. I 100% support Yash's actions (and Aarti's) in last episode. Wouldn't have wanted it any other way. I'm simply sharing my opinion on child-rearing techniques (as always 👏).

As some of you would know, I am staunch in my defense of Ansh. I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Its because I can relate to PayPal.
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My problem with how adults view children (how I was viewed when I was Ansh, Payal, Palak's age), is that they see them as less than human sometimes. Their opinions don't matter. Their intelligent and genuine remarks are taken as "being smart". They're pushed around when no one else is looking, and when their parents do find out, the story is always quite filtered and without impact of a first-hand look. I've received that conciliatory speech (ex: A&A bridge speech) a time or two, and also a "Well, what do you expect me to do?" Let me tell you, it does a child no favour to be told that their being mistreated (however trivial it may seem) can not be helped. "Your grandmother said/did this? Well then, I say sorry on her behalf." A child does not need apologies, they need said behaviour to stop. That's what Ansh needs. He needs Gayatri to stop treating him horribly. No amount of conciliatory behaviour on ArYa's part is going to change that. Yash realizes this. Aarti does to, but unfortunately, her hands are tied.

As someone who was raised just as Scindya's were (how I assume they were anyway), I understand where Ansh is coming from. Sometimes you do a crazy little kid stunt, not thinking about the consequences. And then all hell brakes loose, and you don't understand why. A series of events happen to you, and still you don't make the connection between your stunt and your punishment. Or you do, but you're too scared to even give a shit about right vs wrong. All you know is that you will never do what you did again. So the end result is the same. But the child is left with feelings that the parents might not have intended.


I see that in Ansh. I don't think it'll be long before he'll start to resent his own mother for trying to cover everything up instead of taking his side. That story she made up, about how Gaya had been looking for a key, and that she in the end had helped Ansh, was touching in a helpless way. How quickly a child will latch onto stories like that. But then the next day dawns, and you remember the truth. Children are intelligent and intuitive, and although the incident might be forgotten, the pain that they received will stay with them. Right now Yash and Aarti are desperately trying to make him feel better, but the truth is, damage has been done. And they know it. They know they let their kid down. First by not preventing it (or stopping it), and second, for not getting him justice. (I am speaking from Ansh's perspective here. I didn't expect Yash or Aarti act differently. They did what was in their power, and in the long-term it will only benefit Ansh. But he doesn't know that.)

Just because Ansh messed up the bathroom, or just because he 'talked back' doesn't mean he's going to end up a bad person. Neither will PayPal. Also, Ansh did receive his punishment when Yash yelled at him for the table incident. Only Ansh didn't know that the table incident included anger from the bathroom debacle. Its such a mess when parents start to discipline children in anger, or in an attempt to straighten them out. If you want a child to know the consequence for their action, you need to first (or after at the very least) explain the action that led to the consequence. A silly thing to say, I know. But there is no inherent understanding of these things. It needs to be told to them. If I could only tell you the number of times I was told "because I said so" while growing up 😆. Never once, was I given a why. Instead, when I asked why, ulta I would get yelled at, "How dare you ask me why? Because I am your God, thats why". 😆 Well no one ever used the word 'God', but you know what I mean. You are expected to understand, instantly, why you got the punishment you did. And maybe you do...a little. But is it really that insulting to have to explain yourself to a child? Ego seems to be an issue for adults at every age. Except for children. They have yet to develop the concept. So is answering really that wrong? Does explaining 'why' really have the horrible consequences, most parents think it does? Will it feed a child's ego, or will it broaden understanding?


A child does not talk back.
I firmly believe that. But when you oppress someone, words are all they have. Why should a child be any different? Why do we expect Ansh (with all his intelligence and innocence) to behave differently with Gayatri. She is forevermore "moti dadi"😆. There's a difference between back-talk and an honest genuine question, but I think the lines get blurred when a child upstages a 'grown-up'. Because all the grown-up sees is this little child, just out-smarted them. Its embarrassing to those who feel their intelligence, is already in question, or is being questioned. Ansh's 'time' comment was a slightly smart thing to say, and maybe Ansh meant it to be that way also. I do not think Gaya meant to hurt him. She just wanted to show him who was boss. But that is no way to raise a child. Because your ego, and your need to establish yourself as a better, comes across a little monstrously. Pari and Vidhi looked horrified, for gosh sakes. Imagine what Ansh was thinking. Things escalate, and before you know it, you're scrambling to justify your behaviour, both to yourself and to everyone else watching.

As someone who was told and shown in a multitude of ways who was boss, I must say, that it does a child no service to constantly be shown that you are beneath, or lesser than them. As a child, you are not beneath, you are dependent. Your parents are your world. They are your every source of 'world education'. When parents do not communicate with a child (the reason for X or Z), its demeaning, hurtful, and has the effect of making the child think they do not deserve a response. I know it seems dramatic, but that's what I felt growing up. Like every time I was yelled at or punished it was because that was what I was worth. Ansh talks like a little man because that is how he is treated. PayPal act like bratty little girls because that is how they are treated.

Like PayPal I learned to behave in a certain way, within certain contexts. My family was often complimented on how well-behaved myself and my siblings were. But you know what happens when you're bullied? You bully others. Lack of confidence rears its head in ugly ways while growing up. PayPal's principal was right. Your first teacher is your home/family/parents. They are your most important teachers. Always.

Like PayPal I would say things behind my parents' backs, and when they accidentally heard, I would prepare myself for punishment, and sit there and wait for it to be over. When I did something wrong, I would hide it instead of confess it. There were things that would happen that I would never confide to my parents about. I was sure that once again, I would get punished even more. Stories came out, eons later, about how teachers would mistreat myself, and my siblings in school, and how we never confided to our parents, because we felt, in childhood, that they did not have our backs. It is important to keep lines of communication open. I can see the regret in my mothers eyes, when she hears stories like this. And you know what? First few times, I was pleased. Twisted I know, but there you have it. Because for the first time I started to understand that they did not know the effect their style of parenting had. That they had not intended the hurt (or neglect), only the result.


I know the effects of being financially spoiled (like PayPal), but I always wondered what it would be like to be emotionally spoiled instead (like Ansh), Or to not be spoiled at all. 😃Material things have a way of stunting your growth emotionally. I love and respect my parents with all my heart. But respect came after many years of resentment and built up anger. As an adult, I ask myself, even though I turned out perfectly fine (just like Scindya brothers), would I raise my children in the same way? Pankaj says hell no, Yash says yes and no, and Prateik is a question mark. I used to say yes. But now, my answer is no. I'm sure I'll yell in anger atleast once or twice, like Yash (because that is what I know). I'm sure I'll punish my children when they become of age. One very important lesson I have learned: first and foremost is your child's emotional upbringing. The money and the things that money can buy (like computers and pretty toys when you're parents want to express love), are actually quite unnecessary.

A part of me is a little disgusted by PayPal's behaviour. Maybe because I wasn't too far off the mark when I was little. I guarded my toys fiercely. I only shared with my sibling. And we didn't mix well with others. It was hard to make friends, because that wasn't encouraged at home. In our strict household it was more important to be at home (like good girls are expected to be), and make good grades, than to socialize. To be honest, I don't remember if I always felt love with the giving of gifts. My parents gave them with love for sure. But I don't think I felt that earlier in life. Before my mind made the connection. What I do remember, is demanding stuff. My parents might have made me wait, but I ultimately got what I wanted. Just like PayPal. Seriously, this show is just so awesome. Such wonderful and spot on writing. ⭐️

As a parent, it is your job to give your child an upbringing to the best of your ability. No one is perfect.
But every generation marks a new opportunity, and progress is the ultimate goal.Like my parents, I will learn from my upbringing, and give my children my best ⭐️. I hope its enough.

PS: I'm not trying to convince anyone that they should change their mind on parenting styles. I am simply sharing my experiences and feelings, in a hope to explain my unorthodox thinking. If it is possible to raise a well-rounded individual in a "lenient" manner, then why not?


Edit: I guess it makes a major difference if you're raised in a joint-family or not. I was, and the thing is, not everybody disciplines you because they consider you "as their own". Some just take advantage of their power position. I don't think they mean to mistreat kids, its just that they think anything short of physical abuse is fine. Its an obvious danger, and I'm surprised PV's chosen to touch on it. Usually they portray such families as god's gift to earth. When in reality it has its own advantages and disadvantages.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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So I guess a few hours stretched longer than expected but here I am to answer this post in detail. I love the way you have picked apart all the events from the children's perspective and given us an insight into what it feels like to be PayPal. I hope you don't mind me taking this to a personal place, because I think my personal experience as a child resonates with what Ansh is going through right now.

My parents were a lot like Aarti. They treated my like a adult and expected certain behaviour and responsibility from me from before I can remember. But it was always very clearly explained to me why I had to do something, or why it was good for me and so other than the occasional stand off, when we maybe misunderstood each other, I was a very cooperative kid, because like you said kids don't "talk back" they just voice oppression. It also probably helped that I was born in the US so my parents had the liberty of bringing my brother and me up the way they saw fit. But as a kid I always had this attachment to India. Whenever we visited I would feel right at home and sob uncontrollably when we left to go back to the states.

When I was around 9 years old my parents decided to move back to India, and they still claim that my enthusiasm was one of the motivating factors. I can't tell you how excited I was, which reminds me of how excited Ansh was to go to his naye papa's house. I thought that all my problems would be solved because I no longer had to explain my identity or my heritage. Like most kids I longed for conformity and I felt I was getting that, I think comparable to Ansh's situation.

So we got to India and started going to school immediately (because the US and Indian summer holidays don't match) and I got a huge reality check! People didn't think I was normal at all! I had an accent, I wore different clothes, even the way I did my work was different from them. I had always been one of the best students in my class in the US and here I had to deal with low marks for reasons like not writing definitions word to word and missing steps in a math problem, and sometimes simply because I had not caught up yet. Additionally, outside school, I was now in a much stricter environment with regards to what I could wear and say in front of certain people, as we were keenly observed by family and friends 24/7 as is normal in India, but which was overwhelming for someone who was raised with the notion that privacy is an inalienable right. 😆 My parents also changed to suit the surroundings and I would get the "because I say so" that I had never been used to, simply because they had gotten it from their parents.

Naturally, because I was ten, this led to a period of lots of self-doubt both socially and academically which led me into a similar depressive state to the one we are seeing with Ansh. But the thing is, my parents did not decide to pack up and go back, despite this. They weathered the storm, taught me how to cope with Indian schooling, quizzing me for tests and exams, advising me on how to study better etc...they seemed unshakable. It is only now that my mother tells me that was the hardest time in her life, seeing her kids struggle to get their bearings after such a drastic change, but they never let on at the time and I see Aarti doing the same thing.

Of course it took much less time for me to get back my academic proficiency than it did for me to become socially confident but looking back I don't think I would give it up because when I finally did figure myself out, I ended up with a really broad perspective on things and people. In the end, what I am trying to say is that this transition period is not going to be easy for Ansh, but just because it is not easy, doesn't mean it won't be worth it. He will be just fine and Aarti and now Yash are doing a great job, making that more and more believable.

PS: Sorry if I creeped anyone out with too much information! 😛 But I thought it was hugely relevant to the discussion so I thought I'd share.
Edited by Samanalyse - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Such a lovely post just loved it👏
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A nice, thought-provoking post!!I would like to share some of my thoughts in this matter...
In my opinion... children should be made to understand why something is wrong instead of just punishing them whenever they do something wrong. If they are just going to be punished, they might temporarily stop doing those wrong things out of fear but once the fear is gone (because parents won't be there forever in their lives to punish them), they may go back to the wrong. So for a more permanent solution, children should also be made to understand why this is wrong and why they have to behave the way they are expected to, etc.
In the show too, we saw Aarti didn't shout at or punish Ansh when he misbehaved at the breakfast table on the first day. Instead, she calmly explained to him and we saw that he understood that and hence behaved properly afterwards.
But all things cannot be dealt with just calm reasoning and in some instances children have to be dealt with more strictly for their own good. They should be made to realise that the wrong things have consequences. And in the show too, we saw that Aarti dealt the pin fiasco strictly. Because physically hurting someone isn't a nice thing and it can get serious. Its a more serious issue than just making fuss about food...
I do agree with you that the first step to disciplining is to make the child understand, talk to them and keep the lines of communication between the child and parent open. In this regard, I would like to narrate something from my childhood...
When I was young, there used be this stick with which my mom used to beat me. Although she actually beat me only on rare ocassions, but she used to always gently scare me with the stick whenever she wanted me to behave properly. So it was always like...'behave properly or else the stick', 'do your homework or else its the stick', etc. And so I did everything properly just to avoid the stick. But eventually I was fed up with it... so one day, I took the stick and went out of home and threw it away. Because according to what I understood then, I had to do everything just because of the stick; I wasn't given any other proper reasons. So obviously I had thought if I get rid of the stick, I do not need to obey my mom (the stick was just a temporary object of fear then)... Anyways, my mom did come to know what I had done with the stick, and I think she understood where the problem was because after that she never used another stick for disciplining.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Charishma, I absolutely loved your post and pretty much every line of your post resonated with me.

Unfortunately, I am in the middle of a family wedding and will have to come back later to post my thoughts. 😃

Also, I had to put down just a line because I couldn't help it 😆. If you ask people around you to define what abuse is, it is amazing the answers you will receive. Even the word neglect conjures up extreme scenarios in most people's mind. A lot of us don't realize that our day to day interactions with our children which looks like good parenting on the outside can also lead to neglect and abuse.

Allright, more on this later. 😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thanks for reading guys. I realize I took it to a weirdly personal place. Sorry for that. But something about PV really resonated with me, and I couldn't really pinpoint it until recently.

@ S Stephy: Its interesting how polarizing everyone's views on discipline are: what constitutes it, what forms it should take, and whether it should be your last resort or first. PV has really brought that home to me.



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loved this post, as I do all of your writing! 😃
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Lovely post. Will have to find time to discuss this more!
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I updated my response in my earlier post. Please do read it and give your thoughts. If you thought you took this to a personal place...you have another thing coming! 😆
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@Charishma: As a reader I felt humbled on reading your post. Thank you. I loved it in its entirety.

@Samana: Thanks for directing me to this post.


I completely concur to your views from a child's perspective. Since I am a mother of two, I'll just put in my two cents from that angle. We know that all married couples have disagreements and fights. If you take a cross-section of parents and ask them what are their fights about, I am sure a large chunk will say that they fight over parenting. Nobody is a born parent...they are self-molded. They are two individuals with opinions of their own and individual experiences of their own childhood. When a kid comes, they come to consensus on some issues, but there are many issues over which their opinions differ... "Papa says mumma pampers you too much, that's why you are getting spoilt. Mumma says papa is unreasonably strict with you...I'm here to be your punching bag." And in between these two styles, the authoritarian and the pampering, the child gets confused first and then learns to navigate through both...sometimes even pit both parents against each other. That's why it is imperative that both come across as a team in front of the child and sort out their differing views behind closed doors. Parents learn parenting from their child...might sound corny, but all that is required for a parent to do is be alert to what your child is saying and be open to suggestions...even from a 4-year-old. I remember I came out of the kitchen one day fuming coz my maid had decided to absent herself on the day of a very important dinner at home...and I was running all over...cooking, cleaning et al. Anyways, I was tired, I was hot, my patience was running thin, and in this condition I walked into what I thought was a clean drawing room to see my 4-yr-old daughter had turned it into an art studio, with her stuff all over the carpet. I remember I got so angry that I took it out on her. She looked at me wide eyed, and when I paused, she said, "Ma, why are you shouting? You can say the same thing softly, like you always do. I will put these away," and off she went after gathering her things, leaving me with a huge guilt...An important lesson learnt that day. Curb anger, and try reason.

What I am trying to say is parents are not perfect and they should not portray themselves so to their children. The children should be able to accept you with your imperfection ... be a friend but don't forget you are still the parent, someone on whom they rely on. It is very difficult to maintain such harmony in a joint family coz in such a set-up the child has more than one set of parents.
Gayatri thinks she is better because she reared three sons and looks down upon Aarti's style...and in this battle of wits, Ansh is the loser.

Yash and Aarti have not yet formed a team. As such they cannot be termed as parents. So far they were two individuals trying to be a parent to each other's child(ren). Now they have a crisis on their hand, and now is the team for them to reach a consensus...learn from each other and attack the problem together.


I am sorry if I deviated from the theme of the post Charishma. It's just that I wanted to put across that a parent must know that he/she is not a perfect parent, but, more importantly, he/she should know that they need to be open and accessible to their children all the time, so that they are receptive and reciprocal in response.

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