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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Megha2011

They are just showing all craps. In this world no one from in-laws take all these craps from any dauther-in-law they including husband just show the door to DIL. Dumb people in RMJ!



there are in laws that have taken worst than this. My moms aunt is very rich but she is old. Her son got married and at first the daughter in law was very nice and respectful but now all of a sudden she wants her MIL to sell their house and and give the money and all other money to her not even the son. She bahaves really badly with her MIL. Everybody in the family are warning her not to sell the house or give her anything because she will never keep her or take care of her but the MIL doesnt care because she just wants her son to be happy. And that is her adopted son. There are many stories like this in real life so even though we cannot tolerate this behavior it is not uncommon and is happening around the world. Sometimes they take the crap because they are old, scared and have nowhere else to go or they take it because they love their son and dont want to lose him. I dont agree with it either but bedi's should have just let karan-hetal go back then so everybody could be happy. I really doubt if this was real life anybody could be happy with this arrangement if there is so much hate.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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No doubt Mona will be happy at this..If Hetal leaves Mona won't need to tolerate Hetal any more..

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

.really I am thinking of cancelling my Zee contract, why buy head aches ????😡😡


Zee has the WORST shows in all the serials .Zee Heroines suffer and r insufferably dumb . They glorify suffering , antiquated ideas and advocate chauvinism . Zee serials also project India like a sexist country ...anyone born and brought up abroad is apalled at the way Indians think if they choose to believe Zee Serials.

Mona is so HAPPY coz Hetal is going home . Why ? One good reason ? I wud be tremendously WORRIED if Hetal was MY bhabhi ...the thought that wud vibrate in my mind wud be WHAT is the next bitchy thing that this horrid girl will do to my family and how can i PREVENT that from happening . I wud tell my mom Vimmy to stay YARDS away from the serpent named Hetal . Let her swallow my brother Karan , Why subject my full family to her venom ?





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Posted: 13 years ago
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Well, 'Kanya daan' karna bhhi nahi chahiye 😕

No offense who believe 'Kanay daan' is pious but IMHO, that's something really unfortunate about Hindu wedding rituals.
The word 'daan' (to donate OR to gift)a daughter is simply humiliating.
'Daughter's marriage' shouldn't mean 'donate a daughtert'.. A daughter always remains 'daughter' of her dear parents no matter what her marital status is !
If 'Kanya daan' is really glorified in marriage then there should also be a ceremony called 'Putr daan'.
I really liked the thoughts expressed about 'kanya daan' .

http://anjugandhi.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/kanyadaan-donation-of-your-daughter/

Anyways, coming back to the topic, I think Karan-Hetal should live separately , not with Gandhis and not with Bedis either !


I agree with you in principle .
But then I also insist that GO ALL THE WAY . Don't change your surname after marraige either . Don't change your first name ...in Hindu weddings there is a ritual in which even the first name is changed by husband at times . Its called Naav Badalna. Maharashtrians have it .

The Vidhi of Kanyadaan was there not for the Punya part alone ...it was there due to the social system where the girl LEFT the house to move in with her husband . She took on the husband's surname to keep the social system legally smooth ...each one having different surname wud become very complicated . What name shud the children take wud be the question .

The paperworks , proving of property ownership etc had minimal legal hassles with this system .

Each one with different surnames ...children and their wives taking on yet another surname etc led to tremnendous jhanjhat .

I personally feel , in my research and reading that these vidhis evolved due to societal convenience rather than plain chauvinism .

Reading chauvinism in every vidhi , every sanskaar , every part of our religion is not right in my opinion .

The Punya Part was merely a sentiment . Even in Western culture , the father gives away the bride in the church . Again , this was for societal convenience . The West too still has the woman changing surname after marraige .

If people feel its a great insult I suggest to them with a thumbs up , go all the way . Do Register marraige , do not change ur surnames , let ur bahus retain their surnames , face the legal kitkit by producing documents to explain a lot of ur identity . Do not care about how much time is being consumed and how much extra money is spent on legally proving things each time the need arises .

Also , go one step further . Just as the donation part is shameful to some women who take offense , take offense at sitting at home and living off ur husband . Use ur education and work , earn ur livelihood . Even THAT is offensive according to me . Or if ur sitting at home and being home maker , quantify ur services and demand money . Do not care that the atmosphere in the house is shaken due to these cut throat business like demands . GO ALL THE WAY . Our ancestors devised this for social convenience , You guys change it and see what great effects these changes will bring . By all means try .


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Nigo ' agree with you that there are many in-laws in real life who take craps from in-laws.

Interesting discussion on "Kanya Daan." After reading about this topic one story of my old days came on my mind.

I don't know about other customs but I have seen that in gujarti weddings that once the groom takes his seat in the mandap for the wedding ceremony, pandit ji asked girl's parents to wash groom's feet with water so then groom asked to put his foot in thali (plate) and girl's parents wash his foot with water. When I was little during my elder sister' wedding I used to question that why girl's parents have to touch her husband's foot where parents are always elder then my mom and grand mom explained it to me that because as we always says from the day daughter born in the family that laxmiji has came to our house so now we believe/say that laxmi-narayan has came to our house to take our laxmi so whenever god came we first wash his feet so we also wash groom feet first considering him as laxmi-narayan. After hearing this I was quite surprised that if we look at any festival or rituals of hindu religious it always has a very pure meaning or real story behind it.

Kools interesting point in your post where you are explaining about last names I mean basically for what reasons girl change the last name after wedding.

I am assuming that there also should be some beliefs or story behind using the words "kanya daan." I only know that because girl parents raise her, feed her, teach her every little things like how to walk, eat, then educate her and one day someone just came to that same parents' door asking for her daughter and from that day she belongs to someone else that's why we called "kanya daan" but does not mean that parents now disown her or does not belongs to her parents as daughter but basically now she is someone else responsibility. She will be always daughter for her parents even after she herself have her kids but in hindu religious woman has been divided into many different dharm and born. First, when she herself born as daughter into a family. Second, when she gets married and becomes wife and DILs of her new family. Third, when she herself gives born to someone and become mother. So according to these she has been divided into many different duties does not means she don't remain daughter after her 2nd born or she does not remain DIL after her 3rd born.

This is my understanding not sure right or wrong.

One more last thing - girl has more duties to follows than boy becasue god knew from first that girl is with full of feelings, understanding, can make herself adjustable without any ego that's why. Again, just my understaning!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000



Also , go one step further . Just as the donation part is shameful to some women who take offense , take offense at sitting at home and living off ur husband . Use ur education and work , earn ur livelihood . Even THAT is offensive according to me . Or if ur sitting at home and being home maker , quantify ur services and demand money . Do not care that the atmosphere in the house is shaken due to these cut throat business like demands . GO ALL THE WAY . Our ancestors devised this for social convenience , You guys change it and see what great effects these changes will bring . By all means try .



Kool,

Majority women who completely depend on a man for food and shelter are not treated well, they are second class, In past our ancestor told the women that her husband is her God...imagine a human being is a God (the creator, the end in all) it is not a small thing..she had to live under him, do his bidding and die when he died, she had to be scared and in awe of her God, she had no other world but whatever her God told her do, she was doomed to live under the God ..if the God died she was burned alive for convenience sake..to do away with widow problem, take away the burden from the in-laws...just burn her, let priest take the Jewellery (which she wore when she was burnt) and family keep the husband's property.
Even in the west the women who are completely depend economically on their husbands are many times taken advantage of and in rare cases abused very badly.
Our ancestors have treated women very badly..in shastras women's status is same as shudras and low caste..
In this case Hetal is behaving very badly and Bedi's lack self respect and Karan is door mat..I have not seen parents like Gandhi's either who will gladly keep their married daughter at their house..usually sons and daughter in law chuck the misbehaving sister out of the house pretty fast.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000


Yes parents forgive . But the insults were terrible . I cud even understand that they accepted Karan back as he was their kid but it wud have been more human to be rather cool and at least slightly nervous about karan's wife being back in their midst again . I know I wud be if I was a forgiving Parent . { Personally , I wud NOT have seen Karans Thobda As long As I lived .}


You can only forgive someone who is repentant of his/her wrongdoings...they at least showed Karan apologizing for his misbehavior (not enough IMHO, but it was an effort on Karan's part)...but Hetal hasn't done any such noble act...she simply doesn't care about the Bedis...she makes faces every time their names are uttered...why would anyone forgive her? on what basis? and why would they be happy that she is coming back (except sweety who is still in denial)?
I don't see any reason...

But then, i am logical person...and when i see Zee, i switch my 'don't look for logic here' button...and whenever they show more stupidity (by Mona), or begging (by Bedis), or dictatorship (by ambaji, now ketkimasi), or evilness (by hetal, bijal), or inaction (by the rest of the cast), i just say to myself 'ofcourse this makes no sense, but you're watching Zee and everything's possible' 😉



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Posted: 13 years ago
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Kool,

Majority women who completely depend on a man for food and shelter are not treated well, they are second class, In past our ancestor told the women that her husband is her God...imagine a human being is a God (the creator, the end in all) it is not a small thing..she had to live under him, do his bidding and die when he died, she had to be scared and in awe of her God, she had no other world but whatever her God told her do, she was doomed to live under the God ..if the God died she was burned alive for convenience sake..to do away with widow problem, take away the burden from the in-laws...just burn her, let priest take the Jewellery (which she wore when she was burnt) and family keep the husband's property.
Even in the west the women who are completely depend economically on their husbands are many times taken advantage of and in rare cases abused very badly.
Our ancestors have treated women very badly..in shastras women's status is same as shudras and low caste..
In this case Hetal is behaving very badly and Bedi's lack self respect and Karan is door mat..I have not seen parents like Gandhi's either who will gladly keep their married daughter at their house..usually sons and daughter in law chuck the misbehaving sister out of the house pretty fast.

Depends on whom we call our ancestors ...as different periods vary . In my research , I am studying the saptarishis , and their progeny ...the satyayuga ...the upanishads and the derviations from the Vedas . I find scientific and societal basis for their laws .

Even the people in the 14th century can be called our ancestors , I really do not know who you mean . But when I speak I study the self realised ancestors ...who laid down the laws . The ones you say treated women badly were the ones who DISTORTED the laws . I do not regard them as our ancestors at all .

That is a vast subject so I will not go into that .

But Regarding the God thing ...Hindus do namaskar or namaste when they meet ...not to the human body but to the soul inside that body that is divine . Its not just husband who is regarded as God , every human being was respected that way . The wife was regarded as the Laxmi of the house and even if the husband wished to renounce the world and take sanyas , he had to take PERMISSION of the wife .

Sita has put her foot down and refused to stay back with her in laws when Ram set out to the forest , she preferred staying with HIM .

This Pati Parmeshwar thing was distorted by the middle ages . Hinduism is not originally like that at all . How equal the roles of man woman are in the religion is amazing .

Distortion took place , yes . The washing of the groom's feet is there even in Mharashtrian culture . But our ancestors have already warned that these systems need NOT be followed in the Kaliyuga . They have requested that poojas , vidhis need NOT be filtered down and used for convenience as they will hold no meaning . But do we know of this fact ? We don't . And so we go on doing things blindly as we know very little of our own religions and what was really told to us .




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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: April2007


Kool,

Majority women who completely depend on a man for food and shelter are not treated well, they are second class,

Sorry cannot agree with you here. All Asian countries (look at China/Japan/India etc.) are very traditional stemming from very rich and old civilizations (I really worry when such generalized statements are made specially in the West). In fact, the girls are/were treated and respected in our civilization and most are still to this date (my grandmothers, my MIL are perfect examples , in fact my MIL who is illiterate is the most dominant figure in her household, none of them work). Respect doesn't necessarily come with money; if that was so Enron Chiefs or smugglers could have been most respected…

There are always exceptions of course and always are men who will either kill her or abuse her for money/property. Of course, one shld alos consider the number of invasions that happened in the country and how those invasions effected the society and to preserve/care for the woman folks who can be easily raped etc. Of course society will have to safeguard the most vulnerable,. Even original concept of Sati was an optional act for women to follow voluntarily, not something to force on them. Of course, things like these can be misused easily. Women in general even in the West (which we always associate with liberation and freedom) is mistreated (it might not be that apparent, but it is still there). Most Asian men I tyalk to at work (japanese/Chinese) readily agree that Asian women are far better treated and respected than what they see in the West….of course that doesn't necessarily mean allowing them to wear less cloths/drink etc. etc.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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If this serial is anything to go by, then ALL Indian families are dysfunctional.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Kalapi , I agree with you . The only reason these customs r there in our religion was coz woman was PROTECTED and honored ...they got distorted with the course of time .But I ask this question ...Which religion , which civilization has not got distorted ? I find hundreds of things in Western culture too distorted . They too changed the womans surname , they too gave away the bride , they too left maikas to settle in the mans home . All these things were for a societal pragmatic purpose , not for the subservience of women . If one looks around one sees many commonalities . And one understands why these commonalities exist , what it was that made these common norms come into being . It was not plain chauvinism . There was much more to it than that .

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