Who has more rights over Samar? - Page 4

Good post, Elle.
I agree with everyone's points, SS was all for P looking after Samar, but now that naiki's hit the scene, he feels she'd be a better mother, ie, raising sam to be just like him and KN, which is what P doesn't want, so he's doing it to spite her.
The thing that we were all gutted about at the time was the way in which P announced she wouldn't have any kids of her own, without consulting K first, was it deliberate on the cvs part, or was it a case of rushing thru it before the leap?
anyway, back to the point, sam is KN's son, so he should have more rights, but as we've seen, he tolerates sam cos he's fair skinned, if he'd been dark, he wouldn't have given him the time of day. he doesn't show any interest in sam's general well being, so its been easy for P to think of him as her own. But, the mystery is, how long is kesar gonna be mad for? like someone's already said, P had stated she would look afer sam till kesar got better, but there's no improvement.
KN's main priorities in life are women and booze, and menaka'll encourage that, so that samar won't be the main heir to everything and she'll get it all, cos she isn't cut out for motherhood😆

Originally posted by: Aeryn

Good topic elle45.

To answer your question well KN and his new wife (+ Kesar when she'll be better) has more rights over him than anyone else...

Samar is not an orphan. He has his father, grandfather, grandmother, chachu, chachi etc. with him. He is not P's adopted child!!! P too has rights over him as chachi but only as so! I'm once again completely disappointed with P's portrayal. She has considered herself as Samar's mom and has obviously not prepare Samar to go to his mother (or to the eventuality of having a stepmom) . Her position was temporary but it seems she quickly forgot it (if she was even aware of it) ...Samar calling her maa and P refering herself as so is the best proof of what I'm saying. If her goal was really to take care of SPS till Kesar recover, she should have refered to herself as chachi and spend more time including Kesar in samar's life. If not physically at least emotionally - by showing him photos of Kesar, talking to him of her, telling him how much and how long Kesar has waited for him, how much she loves him but is unwillingly unable to be with him etc. ...Speaking of Kesar, doesn't P intended to bring doctors to help her? what happened to that? Why aren't we seeing P doing something for her? I don't think she herself can do much but why don't we see her discussing Kesar's case with doctors or anything? To redeem P's character CV's should have at least include a scene with a doctor telling her that's sorry but they don't think they can do more to help Kesar - it would have explained the current disinterest of P in Kesar's recovery!!!

I understand that P is sad that Samar is being distanced from her but still shouldn't she facilitate the transition between her and Menaka? shouldn't she help Samar forging a link with his stepmom? Again we don't see her do that. She's claiming she has no problem over handing M SPS's responsibilities but she's not doing anything to help along or make things easier for Samar...

I also don't like CV's implication that P is the one that loves Samar the most nor do I buy that 5 year old child obsession with her. What are they trying to show? Why shouldn't Samar be more affectionate towards other members of his family? They too have been with him and loving him for the past few years...

Sorry Elle if I have strayed from your topic but I just needed to vent...

Originally posted by: dhakarn

ofcourse P did wrong ...i was merely pointing out her circumstances for such a haste decision

P always knew it will be temporary ...she herself said to samar n kesar that once kesar gets better kesar can have samar back...that's the major loop hole in the script ...P is shown knowing fully well that her custody of samar is a temporary one n she herself does everything she could for kesar ...honestly i can't find the need of that announcement/decision 😕

I so wanted to add only one thing to all this... everybody including p n Krishna knows tht its a temporary decision whn tht announcement was made... or otherwise how on earth SS n SDS accepted tht not thinking of Baba's waris... why nobody brought tht up n tried to stop pratigya by blackmailing her tht baba will hv to remarry for tht.. tht this family wants Baba's son/daughter ...
so all these means only one thing tht they all know its a temporary decision... P too dreamt of having K's child with his lovely feature n her's best features combined... Its a circumstance tht pushed her to tk tht decision n all know tht...

Elle, i always loved ur thread... this is no less... but here most of the members trying to say n jump in to say tht P is wrong n nothing more...
Ok
I just wAnted to ask in general tht a child is in an orphanage n sumbody took care of him all thses 5 yrs or more.. suddenly if the real parents turned n ask for rights over him... will the caretaker , without any feelings shud give the child to his/her parents? Is there any logic in there...? where were they all these years, without this caretaker , the child wud be in miserable condition, thn the real parents wud no more want the same child...

Here everbody took FULL advantage of P n her decision, whn they wanted the most, bcos no one is so fond of to take care of him like how P fought for him... if anybody was so eager then n took full charge over Samar... then i wud say n accept tht P is wrong... everybody was Ok with it n nobody protested ferociously... now tht he is grown up n hv sum third person as his stepmom... they r ready to snatch the child n give the rights to his step mom...In all this, how the child wud feel n get frustrated, nobody cares...
calling sumbody "Ma' is common, even me calls my friends parents like ma n Pa.. Its not tht P took advantage tehre.. if at all she did also, its quite natural... if all teh time she thinking of giving him to hwomever comes to ask him for... she cannot be able to be true to give what a real mom does want to give her child... thts what she did there n samar just calls her "Ma " n knows verywell tht she is his Chachu's wife...

sorry for my long post...

Originally posted by: elle45

You never did stray from the topic, and you're more than welcome to vent here 😊 Thanks😃

Pratigya has kind of been enabling Samar to accept Meneka hasn't she? She does ask him to eat with her sometimes, but I agree that it is not enough. Also, they do show that Pratigya wants Samar to be close to his real mother and she is making some effort by taking Samar to meet her every now and then. However, somehow somewhere, it feels like she is not doing enough.

@bold - I disagree. P doesn't look too happy about Menaka taking over. She is not seen appeasing Samar either - she's not actively or properly forming a bridge between them. She just stand there with a sad face not saying anything which could give Samar the impression that she doesn't agree with the change too but can't do anything - thus not helping making the transition easier/better.

I'm sorry but those 'meeting' are a joke in my opinion. She just go see Kesar once in a blue moon telling samar that she's his real mother but that's all!!! We never see her talking about Kesar, make an effort to really include Kesar (emotionally as it is not possible to do so physically) in the child's life. She plain happy tending to him as his real even calling herself as so!!!

I think P has gotten too attached to Samar to accept that he will leave her one day. She knew that she had to hand over the responsibilities one day, whether to Kesar or Meneka... but I think that over the past 4-5 years, she has naturally gotten so attached to Samar that it is not at all easy for her. She made Samar completely her own son, whether consciously or sub-consciously... and having him call her Maa is one of the things which shows that. If not chachi, she could have been Choti Maa as well, which would still be a good name for her. That is why when she claims that she has no problem with giving up Samar, her lips say one thing, but her actions are very different. I guess this all must be very natural for any woman to face, and really, I like that she has some character flaws. Just now, the CVs should show this as a flaw in her character, and not that she is perfect.

Having him call her maa shows that from the beginning P has been referring herself as so otherwise it would have been something like Pratigya maa, choti maa or chachi. Big mistake by the CVs. I can understand her attachment to the child but like you said she's portrayed as being perfectly right in claiming him to herself while it's not...

Even I agree that there should have been a scene with P attempting to get some treatment for Kesar. P is known for not giving up, and I don't understand why she has given up on Kesar's treatment now?

I understand about how Samar is too attached to Pratigya... again, she's his mother figure, and kids always stick to their mothers at this age. And he does seem to have a good relationship with most family members, but again, I do not understand why Amma plays no role in the caretaking of her grandson. I've usually seen that in such joint families, everyone shares the responsibilities, and kids are equally happy to be with any family member at anytime. That's not really the case with Samar, no? Most of the time we see him not partake in anything if P doesn't agree or isn't around!

Originally posted by: elle45

Such a good point you raised, Rahm... I didn't even think about it before this, but now that you did, it's so valid. Pratigya just took the decision on her own and expected Krishna agree with her AND be happy about this. This is not a decision one person makes alone, esp when Pratigya knew very well since the beginning that Baba was quite eager to have a child (come on, he had her fake a pregnancy, plus he wanted to compete with Komal in having a baby 😆)

Prats was wrong, and I think Krishna should have voiced his objections at some point... but I think it's too late for that now.

I have to agree with everyone--you always make the greatest threads! 😊

I hate that the creatives think that being a strong woman, Prats needs to make the decision alone. That's not even logical. It doesn't go in with the character. Prats is supposed to be about justice and morality. What kind of justice is taking away your own husband's right to father a child without even consulting him? They are a married couple.. this decision affects his life equally. Everyone praised Prats sacrifice and GD still does, but what about Krishna's sacrifice? He is the most deserving of any praise. His wife made such a life altering decision without him and he accepted it. How many men would accept such a decision without a fight? Or without resenting their wives? Or becoming bitter? Here we see the total opposite with Krishna. He is the ever loving husband who supports his wife without even thinking about his own needs/wants. THAT in my book is a much worthier sacrifice than Prats.

Shakti did relinquish his rights when he dropped Samar, however, legally he alone has ALL rights over Samar esp now that Kesar is not in her senses.

I'd love to see Prats realizing how great of a husband Krishna truly is and focus on him and their marriage. I don't think she can do anything to make up for what she did by taking away his right to the decision, but she can make what they have now better. He just wants attention from his wife.. he needs to feel loved and I think it's time that they think about their own future and children seriously.

Originally posted by: Aeryn

Good topic elle45.

To answer your question well KN and his new wife (+ Kesar when she'll be better) has more rights over him than anyone else...

Samar is not an orphan. He has his father, grandfather, grandmother, chachu, chachi etc. with him. He is not P's adopted child!!! P too has rights over him as chachi but only as so! I'm once again completely disappointed with P's portrayal. She has considered herself as Samar's mom and has obviously not prepare Samar to go to his mother (or to the eventuality of having a stepmom) . Her position was temporary but it seems she quickly forgot it (if she was even aware of it) ...Samar calling her maa and P refering herself as so is the best proof of what I'm saying. If her goal was really to take care of SPS till Kesar recover, she should have refered to herself as chachi and spend more time including Kesar in samar's life. If not physically at least emotionally - by showing him photos of Kesar, talking to him of her, telling him how much and how long Kesar has waited for him, how much she loves him but is unwillingly unable to be with him etc. ...Speaking of Kesar, doesn't P intended to bring doctors to help her? what happened to that? Why aren't we seeing P doing something for her? I don't think she herself can do much but why don't we see her discussing Kesar's case with doctors or anything? To redeem P's character CV's should have at least include a scene with a doctor telling her that's sorry but they don't think they can do more to help Kesar - it would have explained the current disinterest of P in Kesar's recovery!!!

I understand that P is sad that Samar is being distanced from her but still shouldn't she facilitate the transition between her and Menaka? shouldn't she help Samar forging a link with his stepmom? Again we don't see her do that. She's claiming she has no problem over handing M SPS's responsibilities but she's not doing anything to help along or make things easier for Samar...

I also don't like CV's implication that P is the one that loves Samar the most nor do I buy that 5 year old child obsession with her. What are they trying to show? Why shouldn't Samar be more affectionate towards other members of his family? They too have been with him and loving him for the past few years...

Sorry Elle if I have strayed from your topic but I just needed to vent...

Originally posted by: dhakarn

ofcourse P did wrong ...i was merely pointing out her circumstances for such a haste decision

P always knew it will be temporary ...she herself said to samar n kesar that once kesar gets better kesar can have samar back...that's the major loop hole in the script ...P is shown knowing fully well that her custody of samar is a temporary one n she herself does everything she could for kesar ...honestly i can't find the need of that announcement/decision 😕

Originally posted by: babithaj

Elle, i always loved ur thread... this is no less... but here most of the members trying to say n jump in to say tht P is wrong n nothing more...
Ok
I just wAnted to ask in general tht a child is in an orphanage n sumbody took care of him all thses 5 yrs or more.. suddenly if the real parents turned n ask for rights over him... will the caretaker , without any feelings shud give the child to his/her parents? Is there any logic in there...? where were they all these years, without this caretaker , the child wud be in miserable condition, thn the real parents wud no more want the same child...

Here everbody took FULL advantage of P n her decision, whn they wanted the most, bcos no one is so fond of to take care of him like how P fought for him... if anybody was so eager then n took full charge over Samar... then i wud say n accept tht P is wrong... everybody was Ok with it n nobody protested ferociously... now tht he is grown up n hv sum third person as his stepmom... they r ready to snatch the child n give the rights to his step mom...In all this, how the child wud feel n get frustrated, nobody cares...
calling sumbody "Ma' is common, even me calls my friends parents like ma n Pa.. Its not tht P took advantage tehre.. if at all she did also, its quite natural... if all teh time she thinking of giving him to hwomever comes to ask him for... she cannot be able to be true to give what a real mom does want to give her child... thts what she did there n samar just calls her "Ma " n knows verywell tht she is his Chachu's wife...

sorry for my long post...

Originally posted by: Rahm

I have to agree with everyone--you always make the greatest threads! 😊

I hate that the creatives think that being a strong woman, Prats needs to make the decision alone. That's not even logical. It doesn't go in with the character. Prats is supposed to be about justice and morality. What kind of justice is taking away your own husband's right to father a child without even consulting him? They are a married couple.. this decision affects his life equally. Everyone praised Prats sacrifice and GD still does, but what about Krishna's sacrifice? He is the most deserving of any praise. His wife made such a life altering decision without him and he accepted it. How many men would accept such a decision without a fight? Or without resenting their wives? Or becoming bitter? Here we see the total opposite with Krishna. He is the ever loving husband who supports his wife without even thinking about his own needs/wants. THAT in my book is a much worthier sacrifice than Prats.

Shakti did relinquish his rights when he dropped Samar, however, legally he alone has ALL rights over Samar esp now that Kesar is not in her senses.

I'd love to see Prats realizing how great of a husband Krishna truly is and focus on him and their marriage. I don't think she can do anything to make up for what she did by taking away his right to the decision, but she can make what they have now better. He just wants attention from his wife.. he needs to feel loved and I think it's time that they think about their own future and children seriously.