Who has more rights over Samar? - Page 2

Originally posted by: Rahm

As Samar's biological father, I'd say Shakti has the most rights over Samar. It is sad for Prats because ideally she should have been given more rights because she sacrificed a lot for Samar.

To be honest, I was quite unhappy with Prats sacrifice. It's not what she did, but how she did it. She didn't consult Krishna and made a decision that affected them both. That was wrong of her. Being a strong woman doesn't entail belittling one's husband. I think if the creatives showed Prats consulting Krishna and then making the decision, I would have been more supportive of her, but I think this is her karma--Samar being taken away--she took away Krishna's right to a decision such as having or not having a child. Krishna was just as much entitled to make that decision as Prats, but she didn't even once ask him.

I guess I went off topic... sorry, lol.

I think SS's insistence on being the high authority over everybody who lives in his house is what really complicates the question. Wasn't it him who gave baby Samar to Pratigya? He never respected his son's right to decide for the child. He didn't even initially think that KN needed to get remarried, he was fine just giving the child to Pratigya. Now he changed his mind and is rejecting his own previous decisions.

I know that KN-Menaka technically have the rights to the child, but it is shown in the house that their claim to authority is less than SS'. Moreover they really don't have moral rights. Menaka doesn't even want this responsibility, and in fact did a huge injustice to Samar before she even became his stepmother by insisting on his disinheritence. KN doesn't want to be a father, and didn't marry Menaka to give Samar a mother. It might have been Amma's reason, but not his!

Ideally, I think the person who has done the best for the child and really nurtured him or made the right decisions about how to take care of him, should have the rights. But it's not an ideal world, and SS has the final say, so it doesn't matter that KN is biologically the father or that Pratigya has been raising him like her own.

I didn't know Pratigya made the decision about not having children without talking to Krishna. Was this shown before the leap? Also please correct me if I'm wrong on facts about what happened after Kesar's breakdown, I thought I knew what happened but it seems like I'm not remembering the same events as everyone else!

Great topic Elle and totally agree with Pragati - great posts in response too!

Originally posted by: dekhiki

I think SS's insistence on being the high authority over everybody who lives in his house is what really complicates the question. Wasn't it him who gave baby Samar to Pratigya? He never respected his son's right to decide for the child. He didn't even initially think that KN needed to get remarried, he was fine just giving the child to Pratigya. Now he changed his mind and is rejecting his own previous decisions.

I know that KN-Menaka technically have the rights to the child, but it is shown in the house that their claim to authority is less than SS'. Moreover they really don't have moral rights. Menaka doesn't even want this responsibility, and in fact did a huge injustice to Samar before she even became his stepmother by insisting on his disinheritence. KN doesn't want to be a father, and didn't marry Menaka to give Samar a mother. It might have been Amma's reason, but not his!

Ideally, I think the person who has done the best for the child and really nurtured him or made the right decisions about how to take care of him, should have the rights. But it's not an ideal world, and SS has the final say, so it doesn't matter that KN is biologically the father or that Pratigya has been raising him like her own.

I didn't know Pratigya made the decision about not having children without talking to Krishna. Was this shown before the leap? Also please correct me if I'm wrong on facts about what happened after Kesar's breakdown, I thought I knew what happened but it seems like I'm not remembering the same events as everyone else!

Good one 😃

pratigya has best interests of samar in her heart n sure she feels for him just like a mother as she helped in his delivery n also raised him for 4 years...she may not have fed him breast milk but the bond can be clearly seen...the kid threw stone at kesar only bec he saw kesar hurting P... so samar also loves P very much...but she can't do much about his life as long as his so called father n his parents n new wife r there...bec P just doesn't have enough say in samar's matter although we know what's best for samar...KN is a horrible n sorry excuse for a human being let alone a father n M , she don't know what's womanhood let alone motherhood... legal rights may be with KN n M n SS n SDS , but moral n emotional rights is with P n K

Originally posted by: kEEnkEEn

Great topic Elle and totally agree with Pragati - great posts in response too!

Nothing new to add really except to highlight the hypocritical stance of SS in all of this...saying only a woman like P could make the sacrifice for Samar and then 4 years on completely trusting a relative stranger over the woman who nurtured his grandson...

my other biggest gripe is how Samar calls P maa - its messing with his mind...P could have done everything she did - but still call her chachi...

Sad but true - Samar is not P's resposibility and the oath she took of not having babies of her own must now be revoked...K's suggestion, ever the practical man - is bang on! (pardon the pun!)😆

Finally also agree that P knows the score and that's why she knows she has no choice but to relinquish care and control of Samar - but love her fall-back position of not sitting quietly if Samar appears to be suffering!!! Aakhir Pratigya hai yaar!!!😃

I would like to add what i think of P's decision of not becoming a mother for samar's upbringing ...😃

i do find it wrong that P didn't consult K before taking such an important life altering decision ...n also i was really angry at her for disregarding the man who stood by her all the time...but we must also look at the situation...the thakurs were torturing the child in the name of medicine n when she protested n requested them to let her take the child to a good doctor...they didn't agree ...it was then she requested to bring up he child as kesar is unwell , n SDS n SS mocked her n taunted her that she wouldn't take good care of samar as she is not his mother n she will shove him away when her child comes...if P had said 'no, i won't do like that ...i will take good care of samar as much as my own child' then they would have told her to prove that ...n the meantime they will take care of samar...the thakurs r bound to say that...so P will have to wait for an year to give birth to her child n prove to them that she won't discriminate between the children...she was desperate ATM n to shut them up once n for all she took that decision ...she didn't have time to call K aside n discuss the matter over as the child was suffering from high fever n she wanted to take him to a good doctor ASAP...she is wrong in taking the decision all by herself , but she is forced by the circumstances...and she did tell K that 'for now' we should take care of samar n only think of him...n i think that's why K agreed...even though he didn't like it...both wanted a child , not just K...If K wanted to become a father ASAP to defeat komal P wanted to have a child as he/she could bring a new meaning to the life n changes the world around u n also with K's nose n her smile...but at the right time when the father of the child is ready to take its responsibilities n rightly so...


and as many raised here, the point is SS's hypocrisy n a constant fear of loosing his power...also SDS's too...she only said that no other woman can raise another woman's child like their own n taunts P about it...but she has no problem in handing the child to M who is also an other woman , but is praising her as the real mother 🤢

i would also like to add that SS gets his wishes dome mainly bec K has mellowed down quite a bit ... if K chooses , SS won't stand a chance

Originally posted by: dhakarn

Good one 😃

pratigya has best interests of samar in her heart n sure she feels for him just like a mother as she helped in his delivery n also raised him for 4 years...she may not have fed him breast milk but the bond can be clearly seen...the kid threw stone at kesar only bec he saw kesar hurting P... so samar also loves P very much...but she can't do much about his life as long as his so called father n his parents n new wife r there...bec P just doesn't have enough say in samar's matter although we know what's best for samar...KN is a horrible n sorry excuse for a human being let alone a father n M , she don't know what's womanhood let alone motherhood... legal rights may be with KN n M n SS n SDS , but moral n emotional rights is with P n K

Originally posted by: dhakarn

I would like to add what i think of P's decision of not becoming a mother for samar's upbringing ...😃

i do find it wrong that P didn't consult K before taking such an important life altering decision ...n also i was really angry at her for disregarding the man who stood by her all the time...but we must also look at the situation...the thakurs were torturing the child in the name of medicine n when she protested n requested them to let her take the child to a good doctor...they didn't agree ...it was then she requested to bring up he child as kesar is unwell , n SDS n SS mocked her n taunted her that she wouldn't take good care of samar as she is not his mother n she will shove him away when her child comes...if P had said 'no, i won't do like that ...i will take good care of samar as much as my own child' then they would have told her to prove that ...n the meantime they will take care of samar...the thakurs r bound to say that...so P will have to wait for an year to give birth to her child n prove to them that she won't discriminate between the children...she was desperate ATM n to shut them up once n for all she took that decision ...she didn't have time to call K aside n discuss the matter over as the child was suffering from high fever n she wanted to take him to a good doctor ASAP...she is wrong in taking the decision all by herself , but she is forced by the circumstances...and she did tell K that 'for now' we should take care of samar n only think of him...n i think that's why K agreed...even though he didn't like it...both wanted a child , not just K...If K wanted to become a father ASAP to defeat komal P wanted to have a child as he/she could bring a new meaning to the life n changes the world around u n also with K's nose n her smile...but at the right time when the father of the child is ready to take its responsibilities n rightly so...


and as many raised here, the point is SS's hypocrisy n a constant fear of loosing his power...also SDS's too...she only said that no other woman can raise another woman's child like their own n taunts P about it...but she has no problem in handing the child to M who is also an other woman , but is praising her as the real mother 🤢

i would also like to add that SS gets his wishes dome mainly bec K has mellowed down quite a bit ... if K chooses , SS won't stand a chance

Originally posted by: dhakarn

I would like to add what i think of P's decision of not becoming a mother for samar's upbringing ...😃

i do find it wrong that P didn't consult K before taking such an important life altering decision ...n also i was really angry at her for disregarding the man who stood by her all the time...but we must also look at the situation...the thakurs were torturing the child in the name of medicine n when she protested n requested them to let her take the child to a good doctor...they didn't agree ...it was then she requested to bring up he child as kesar is unwell , n SDS n SS mocked her n taunted her that she wouldn't take good care of samar as she is not his mother n she will shove him away when her child comes...if P had said 'no, i won't do like that ...i will take good care of samar as much as my own child' then they would have told her to prove that ...n the meantime they will take care of samar...the thakurs r bound to say that...so P will have to wait for an year to give birth to her child n prove to them that she won't discriminate between the children...she was desperate ATM n to shut them up once n for all she took that decision ...she didn't have time to call K aside n discuss the matter over as the child was suffering from high fever n she wanted to take him to a good doctor ASAP...she is wrong in taking the decision all by herself , but she is forced by the circumstances...and she did tell K that 'for now' we should take care of samar n only think of him...n i think that's why K agreed...even though he didn't like it...both wanted a child , not just K...If K wanted to become a father ASAP to defeat komal P wanted to have a child as he/she could bring a new meaning to the life n changes the world around u n also with K's nose n her smile...but at the right time when the father of the child is ready to take its responsibilities n rightly so...


and as many raised here, the point is SS's hypocrisy n a constant fear of loosing his power...also SDS's too...she only said that no other woman can raise another woman's child like their own n taunts P about it...but she has no problem in handing the child to M who is also an other woman , but is praising her as the real mother 🤢

i would also like to add that SS gets his wishes dome mainly bec K has mellowed down quite a bit ... if K chooses , SS won't stand a chance