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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: adianasr

BTW MKM there are 2 other posts by Mansi and Meghna which pointed to a very interesting aspect - Chudail Begum was definitely affected by THE NIGHT. But my take on why and how this happened is a little different from theirs -

Chudail was affected by TE's confession - so what happened and where it led and is still leading???

1. TE' confession - Do u see this hand. They shook the most when I was given ur hand in marriage. I wanted to win u then but it changed. The one who I wanted to win today I have lost before her. The emperor who can command an empire does not knw how to say this. The Jalaluddin who has never bowed before another ever is handing himself to you and as per ur wish I am now urs and ur mine!!! (oh boy - I did revisit this part of the epi and kya dialogues the!!! Maar daala man). This is not pyaar or mohabbat or romance - This is Prem, this is Ishq and this is LOVE!!!

2. CB does knw the difference btwn LOVE and LUST!!! The next morning she was in tears for her action and talking of forgiveness to Kanha becoz somewhere she did realise what TE had given her the night before was too precious and had never given to another. But she was diverted by MA and the to hear that TE is happy after the events of the night before put fear into her is my reading. She used SKL (as abbreviated by Shyamala) to TE hoping that he would refute it. She got up in DEK becoz of those words of the night before which her sub-conscious does remember. She went again to return the bazu bandh hoping to get reassuarance and bechari har baar maar khaa ke aayi!!!

3. Yes she is upset and she is burning but...but she still has not realised why!!! The main FB which shd give an indication of this why still has not happened becoz I feel she does not want to go there yet. She is shying away from facing facts becoz once she does she will break... CB ka heart break open ho jaayega!!!! She has to recollect TE's words (kya alphaaz the yaar! Maashaallah!!!) and realise what a gift she has recd!!! And her sub-conscious already knws which is why the jalan of Burinazar - it is an amalgamation of fear - that TE will move towards BN, that TE did not mean those words, that she has pushed TE away and thus lost the most precious gift etc etc and Jalan that BN is attracting TE!!! Awesum situation!!!

4. That Night was a turning point for Jodha and TE spoke from his soul - and CB's soul did hear but was too stunned to respond. And That NIGHT was a turning point for TE - He placed his soul before CB and yet nothing.

5. I am now hoping that we get CB ka FB with this particular dialogue that finally makes the sun dawn in her brains - on why she is upset! why she is burning! why she cannot sleep!!!

For TE the next level is happening - realising that whether his CB responds or not usse toh ISHQ ho gaya hai and it is for keeps.

For CB - well she has 2 levels to go and most probably both levels will be reached together - to realise that she is in Love and that it is for keeps whether her Jallad Badshah responds or not.

In fact the ultimate lesson of Love - 'Love is an act of faith and not an exchange' as Coelho says!!!

Adianasr, beautifully written dear. Agree with each and every word, you wrote...😳
I want Jo to be heart broken...Not that I am a sadist or anything...😆...Its just that when both Ja's and Jo's heart will be broken then only they will be able to mend the broken heart with their ever lasting true love for eachother...

P.S That shayari was so deep and beautiful...😳

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Adianasr, beautifully written dear. Agree with each and every word, you wrote...😳
I want Jo to be heart broken...Not that I am a sadist or anything...😆...Its just that when both Ja's and Jo's heart will be broken then only they will be able to mend the broken heart with their ever lasting true love for eachother...

P.S That shayari was so deep and beautiful...😳


Thank you dearie, And there is more where that shaayari came from. And things are just getting hotter and funner so am letting them out from my big little pitara!!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
Lovely take on the whole, Adiana, though what with TE and CB and FB (you should have also taken my KT on board!) it seems a bit like a page out of a NASA manual!😉

I would go by your assessment of the situation any day. In a convoluted way, it is an amplification of my viewpoint, that Jodha has to realise that all her present miseries are rooted in the way she responding to Jalal's baring of his innermost feelings that night. That Benazir, and Jalal's apparent leaning towards her are symptoms, not the cause.

But Jodha is not willing to face facts, and keeps railing at Benazir in a truly comic fashion.

Anyhow, your Coelho quotes are invariably superb. This one is pure distilled wisdom. But I do not think Jodha will ever come to that stage, she will be the beloved and Jalal the lover, that will be it.

Wishing you a very healthy, peaceful and fulfilling 2014,

Shyamala

PS:I have read that very interesting thread of yours on Jalal insulting Jodha, and will be commenting there today.


Originally posted by: adianasr

BTW MKM there are 2 other posts by Mansi and Meghna which pointed to a very interesting aspect - Chudail Begum was definitely affected by THE NIGHT. But my take on why and how this happened is a little different from theirs -

Chudail was affected by TE's confession - so what happened and where it led and is still leading???

1. TE' confession - Do u see this hand. They shook the most when I was given ur hand in marriage. I wanted to win u then but it changed. The one who I wanted to win today I have lost before her. The emperor who can command an empire does not knw how to say this. The Jalaluddin who has never bowed before another ever is handing himself to you and as per ur wish I am now urs and ur mine!!! (oh boy - I did revisit this part of the epi and kya dialogues the!!! Maar daala man). This is not pyaar or mohabbat or romance - This is Prem, this is Ishq and this is LOVE!!!

2. CB does knw the difference btwn LOVE and LUST!!! The next morning she was in tears for her action and talking of forgiveness to Kanha becoz somewhere she did realise what TE had given her the night before was too precious and had never given to another. But she was diverted by MA and the to hear that TE is happy after the events of the night before put fear into her is my reading. She used SKL (as abbreviated by Shyamala) to TE hoping that he would refute it. She got up in DEK becoz of those words of the night before which her sub-conscious does remember. She went again to return the bazu bandh hoping to get reassuarance and bechari har baar maar khaa ke aayi!!!

3. Yes she is upset and she is burning but...but she still has not realised why!!! The main FB which shd give an indication of this why still has not happened becoz I feel she does not want to go there yet. She is shying away from facing facts becoz once she does she will break... CB ka heart break open ho jaayega!!!! She has to recollect TE's words (kya alphaaz the yaar! Maashaallah!!!) and realise what a gift she has recd!!! And her sub-conscious already knws which is why the jalan of Burinazar - it is an amalgamation of fear - that TE will move towards BN, that TE did not mean those words, that she has pushed TE away and thus lost the most precious gift etc etc and Jalan that BN is attracting TE!!! Awesum situation!!!

4. That Night was a turning point for Jodha and TE spoke from his soul - and CB's soul did hear but was too stunned to respond. And That NIGHT was a turning point for TE - He placed his soul before CB and yet nothing.

5. I am now hoping that we get CB ka FB with this particular dialogue that finally makes the sun dawn in her brains - on why she is upset! why she is burning! why she cannot sleep!!!

For TE the next level is happening - realising that whether his CB responds or not usse toh ISHQ ho gaya hai and it is for keeps.

For CB - well she has 2 levels to go and most probably both levels will be reached together - to realise that she is in Love and that it is for keeps whether her Jallad Badshah responds or not.

In fact the ultimate lesson of Love - 'Love is an act of faith and not an exchange' as Coelho says!!!

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Lovely take on the whole, Adiana, though what with TE and CB and FB (you should have also taken my KT on board!) it seems a bit like a page out of a NASA manual!😉

I would go by your assessment of the situation any day. In a convoluted way, it is an amplification of my viewpoint, that Jodha has to realise that all her present miseries are rooted in the way she responding to Jalal's baring of his innermost feelings that night. That Benazir, and Jalal's apparent leaning towards her are symptoms, not the cause.

But Jodha is not willing to face facts, and keeps railing at Benazir in a truly comic fashion.

Anyhow, your Coelho quotes are invariably superb. This one is pure distilled wisdom. But I do not think Jodha will ever come to that stage, she will be the beloved and Jalal the lover, that will be it.

Wishing you a very healthy, peaceful and fulfilling 2014,

Shyamala

PS:I have read that very interesting thread of yours on Jalal insulting Jodha, and will be commenting there today.



Thank you and wishing you a healthy and fulfilling 2014.

😆😉Wont add peaceful since I am of the firm opinion that peace is for the dead. The living need to be in the middle of the churning of the ocean of milk.

And looking forward to your feedback on the thread of TE (Tedha Emperor) insulting his Chudail Begum (CB)

PS: FB is Flashback 😉

PPS: Tragedy is that we do not have great writing and television is a writer's medium. And thats why we will see this Jodha as the Beloved and this Jalal as the lover since that is the way all serials are going currently.

But I am still keeping faith in my friend Ms. Kayanat that she would break the norms with this one and we do see Jalal and Jodha both as lovers and beloved. Stranger things have happened!!!

Seems like a fallout of the so-called feminist movement this that the woman is depicted as the beloved and the man as lover!!! Wonder when ppl will realise that gender is not about the physical!!!
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