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Posted: 12 years ago
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One simple ending - Karna giving all rights to Duryodan and leaving to the forest with Kunti and 5 brothers. Jesht Brata says all will obey, Kunti will obey to her Jesht Putr fo the suffering he had earlier. 😊
This would have become a small one page story in some other maha kavya of India. đŸ€Ș
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath



One thing I don't understand is...the Kauravas also did not have Kuru blood, so why the hatred against Pandavas? Neither Dhritarastra nor Pandu were born of Vichitraveerya, so neither of them had "Kuru blood". Just as Dhritarastra was born out of niyog, the Pandavas were also born out of Niyog...so unless Bhishma had any kids (who would be the rightful heirs), the Pandavas' and Kauravas' claim to the throne was pretty much equal.



By blood i believe they meant Family . Vyasa was family as he was Satyawati's son . The Pandavas were not regarded as family as neither were they Pandu's sons nor 'family' as the Kurus saw it . They regarded Vidur as more family though he was born of a daasi as he had Vyasa for a father . Similiarly the Kauravas regarded Yuyutsu as their own who defected and were angry ...though Yuyutsu was born of a daasi he has come forth from Dritharashtra's loins and so was in the 'family ' . They believed in the family tree i guess . They must have regarded it from Vyasa and anybody else was an outsider to them .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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By blood i believe they meant Family . Vyasa was family as he was Satyawati's son . The Pandavas were not regarded as family as neither were they Pandu's sons nor 'family' as the Kurus saw it . They regarded Vidur as more family though he was born of a daasi as he had Vyasa for a father . Similiarly the Kauravas regarded Yuyutsu as their own who defected and were angry ...though Yuyutsu was born of a daasi he has come forth from Dritharashtra's loins and so was in the 'family ' . They believed in the family tree i guess . They must have regarded it from Vyasa and anybody else was an outsider to them .


Even if Pandavs were flesh and blood of Pandu then also they would never have considered rightful heir to the throne or part of family.

Even Dhritrashtra or his father vichitravirya was also not part of lineage not even shantanu or DEvvrat. Bharat did not make any of his 9 sons his flesh n blood king or samrat but he did yagya from where he got rishi bhardwaj who had given his throne to his son deeelip and became an ascetic and went off to editate, after him several generations came around 60 generations or 65 there is no gaurantee that all of them were flesh and blood they might have been adopted.

So Duryodhan or Dhritrashtra had no right to make pandav feel as an outsiders
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Posted: 12 years ago
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where am i saying they had right dear . I am only giving his point of view . It may be right to some , wrong to many . But the Mahabharata is an epic full of strong headed men with a point of view .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: rasyafan


By blood i believe they meant Family . Vyasa was family as he was Satyawati's son . The Pandavas were not regarded as family as neither were they Pandu's sons nor 'family' as the Kurus saw it . They regarded Vidur as more family though he was born of a daasi as he had Vyasa for a father . Similiarly the Kauravas regarded Yuyutsu as their own who defected and were angry ...though Yuyutsu was born of a daasi he has come forth from Dritharashtra's loins and so was in the 'family ' . They believed in the family tree i guess . They must have regarded it from Vyasa and anybody else was an outsider to them .



Even if Pandavs were flesh and blood of Pandu then also they would never have considered rightful heir to the throne or part of family.

Even Dhritrashtra or his father vichitravirya was also not part of lineage not even shantanu or DEvvrat. Bharat did not make any of his 9 sons his flesh n blood king or samrat but he did yagya from where he got rishi bhardwaj who had given his throne to his son deeelip and became an ascetic and went off to editate, after him several generations came around 60 generations or 65 there is no gaurantee that all of them were flesh and blood they might have been adopted.

So Duryodhan or Dhritrashtra had no right to make pandav feel as an outsiders

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😕 sorry guys kuchh gad bar ho gayee names me his son was bhumanyu not bhardwaj rishi actually I mixed up the names bhardwaj ne to yagya karaya tha and then bhumanyu came whose son was dileep â˜ș I just checke dhte net 😆😆😆

Bhumanyu's son was suhotra and Dilipa must be the father of Pratipa who was father of Shantanu let me confirm this
Edited by rasyafan - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath



When Kunti revealed the truth of Karna's birth after the war, all the Pandavas were filled with remorse that they had killed their brother, though unknowingly, and Yudhisthir the most. No where in Veda Vyasa's MB does it say Yudhisthir was power hungry. He felt so guilty over Karna's death that he cursed Kunti that all of womankind would never be able to hold a secret again.

The only mistake Yudhisthir ever made in his life was to gamble away his kingdom, brothers, and wife during the dice game (that too can be arguable that he was following Dhritarastra's orders, but that's just my POV), but otherwise he truly was Dharmaraj in deed. I don't base my POV of the Pandavas or Kauravas on folklore or interpretations of recent authors. Veda Vyasa is the ultimate source and there, Yudhisthir is indeed Dharmaraj.


A man who asked his brother to share his wife with five brothers giving lame excuse of mother's order [that too what she gave without knowing the truth] .. a man who sell his wife in gamble and remain silent when she was being humiliated wide open .. a man whose ambition to reach heaven alive is too much to look behind at his dying brothers and wife .. is DHARMARAJ??!! well certainly I don't share your point of view .. for me a good human being can be Dharma raaj just because his wide and beautiful heart, strong determination and strength of protest .. for me Humanity = Dharma .. I guess it is different with you .. anyway HINDU word does mean Humanity .. at least scholars during Rigveda thought so

and about his curse it is too lame .. and target of his curse was womankind .. it nowhere affected Kunti .. so I found it no justice but a man's disgusting outburst towards women

Well if u want to avoid all other explanation or even ages old folklore even Vyas Dev's mahabharat don't present a true image of Dharamaraj out of Yudhisthir .. at least not for me
Edited by SayaneeH.Lecter - 12 years ago

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