Devatva & Manushyatva - Page 4

Originally posted by: panchaali

@rasyafan agree..😊

Originally posted by: rasyafan

oh they have the ability to forgive but the bad deeds have to be paid for then only a moksh from cycle of birth is possible whatever debt a person owes this brahmand has to be paid off whether in this birth or next but he has to be completley free of his debt. Even gods are bound by the rules of adi shakti the maha maya goddess, the supreme being or the parameshwari but humans are not bound by this limitation or rather condition they forgive a person unconditionally humans are even greater they forget others sins too. 😆 But gods cannot do that Chitragupt assistant of Yamraj is writing each and every action we take place and when we reach narak we will be asked explainations about what we did on earth in our last life. Accordingly we will be punished and then again sent to earth to pay for our sins and whatever debt we owe to this prakriti. Then when we have paid off every debt then god will reward us forgive us and we will become one with him.

Originally posted by: john909

and from where do we learn what unconditional love or forgiveness really is?? from the examples or stories of God themselves. we, human beings are not bound by duties like sustaining life or neither do we have deep understanding of life and our basic duties, otherwise our planet would not be ruins like it is today. human beings are still surviving on this planet after committing countless sins against nature (who is part of adi shakti herself) for our own greed (not necessity) yet you say that God never forgives us. God notes our mistakes so that we dont take everything for granted by fearing the punishment. it is necessary. God gives us chances to make things right throughout our entire lifetime and we still do not learn. on the top of it we blame God for our situations. there is a reason why God handles the big picture (i mean protecting, sustaining life and such big duties) and not humans.

Originally posted by: rasyafan

Exactly, but humans like Mahatma Budh, our sages such as Ved Vyas, Pashuramji, Vashishth, Raja harishchnadra Satyavadi, Guru Nanak ji, Shankaracharya ji etc aquired divinity and spiritual power themselves unlike god who does anything with help of divinity. To gain divinity humans work hard meditate hard and live life of an ascetic, don't forget these are the humans too who are great who tried to spread true human dharm among fellow humans without whom even gods are powerless as they need such humans to spread their words and manav dharm and unlike other selfish humans who are ignorant of their own dharm and responsibilities. Therefore, humans are more important if not more powerful then god. That is why in our religion we respect and love our gurus more.

half the names you have mentioned in beginning are God or part of God in human form. it is God who comes on Earth from time to time to spread dharma and destroy adharma. he comes or his ansh are born somehow on earth. they do all the hard work and set examples for us. human beings have a lot of potential to be good but our love for material world trumps everything esp in today's yug. if we are so good why does God have to come on earth every now and then to clean up our mess? my point is we need a constant reminder of how important good is to the world. so comparing human beings to God makes no sense. the people who have tried to spread dharma also take God's support to do that. without God's support, i doubt they could have ever achieved anything. humans are important but they cannot be compared to God.

Kabuir's Doha clearly explains this:-

Guru, gobind dou khade kake lago paye, balihari guru aapne gobind diyo bataye

Both guru and God are standing whose charan should I touch first
Guru due to you only I could know God
so guru comes first

In fact God's comes last when it comes to respecting and loving and importance

They say Guru is important then god because it is guru who shows the path to God also called Manav Dharm

Father is important because one father is equal to 10 gurus

Mother is more important because not even 100 fathers can compete her

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So you see all humans are at important positions more then god 😆😉

But if each and every one becomes a sage and dharmic like these sages then who will understand the importance of these sages and their teachings??? How will life grow????? Who will fight wars??? Who will loose and win????? Therefore, both bad and goods are important. After all, truth is proved once lies are exposed. Therefore, evil is also important to prove good.

yes respecting guru comes before God but that does not mean that they are compared. The world's first Guru is God himself because all knowledge comes from Him not human beings. our first mother and father are those Gods themselves because they created us and yet you refuse to accept their importance. so far worshipping mother and father is concerned, it is said that in scriptures because our mother and father help in God's work of sustaining his creation and show us the path towards God who are our ultimate mother and father.

so far importance of humans is concerned, this yuga clearly shows how we have degraded ourselves so humans have lost their right to even think of comparing themselves to God. The day humans start thinking of anything other than themselves, may be that will lead them near to God.

so far needing evil is concerned, u r right abt that but that does not justify what humans do in the name of evil. evil is required to a certain extent, it is not a necessity of day to day life like good is. the birth of evil occured from humans.

Originally posted by: john909

This is my take on Forgiveness, God and Humans:

We say that God forgives however I don't really see that God requires to 'forgive' like humans do. God lives in an Absolute state of Love and 'Forgiveness'.

There is Absolute Law and Justice in the Cosmos. God abides by the Law of Justice which is the Law of Karma for humans who make karma. The Forgiveness of God is actually the ability and choice of God to provide an Opportunity to make amends for injustice done, to balance the scales. God has to do this because negative karma is a state of energy imbalance and it does have to be rectified and repolarized within a certain cosmic timetable. This is God's Way of Forgiveness.

For humanity in general to transmute the negative karma within a predetermined cosmic timetable, God will send Avatars, Holy Gurus and Emissaries, etc. to the planet in order to accelerate the hearts, consciousness and awareness of the people.

We are living on this planet in a dimension of relative Good and Evil, 'relative' because God is Absolute Good, Absolute Love. In the Absoluteness of God there is no Evil. We are only experiencing evil (greed, etc.) in this state of consciousness whereas we have other bodies that are simultaneously abiding in Absolute God dimensions.

We can't possibly know or understand the entire equation of what has taken place on this planet or why we are here. The very best we can do is be as pure as possible in our hearts, feelings, mind and actions, give devotions to the deities, love and honor one another as we love and honor Mahadev or any other expression of the Godhead as we know it. By us, one by one being an open portal for the Love of God to flow through us, blessing all life, God will raise and cleanse the planet. This is why humans are important. Because it is through our hearts and consciousness that a planet, a solar system and a universe can be changed and repolarized to the very Heart of God, consciously and by free will.

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