Bheeshm,Bheeshm,Bheeshm - Page 3

Very well explained! Many vows have been taken and broken too. But nobody's vow was terrible and selfless like Bheeshma's.

Whatever he did was right at the situation and nobody else would have been able to do so. He went to Kashi because someone like him would never tolerate an insult to his kingdom. And he let Amba go when she confessed she had already accepted Shalv as her husband. What's his fault if the man didn't accept Amba? Alas she put the entire blame on him.

Sometimes I really wonder how she would have been the reason of his death in case Bheeshma hadn't been the Kauravas commander?

Rest of the princesses never opposed their marriage proposal. So it isn't right to blame Bheeshma alone.

Bheeshma remains my top three favourite characters in MB as he was the most unselfish character in the entire epic unlike others. And he committed mistakes but never can one say that it was because he wanted to be the king or he wanted to marry a certain princess. He only knew how to give out selflessly without expecting anything in return.

Bhishma refused to follow a particular order of his mother because that was related to the vow he took. He refused to break the vow even when his guru Lord Parashuram ordered him to do so. Bheeshm Pratigya was destined to remain forever, even when the impossible would have become possible. Perhaps this was the only order he didn't follow.

Originally posted by: poseidon2

if getting wife for vichitraveerya was the only aim of bheeshma then he could had married him off to some local girl of hastinapur also. if an ordinary woman like satyavati could become shantanu's wife then there was no harm if another ordinary woman became vichitraveerya's wife. there was absolutely no need to spoil the lives of royal princesses who really deserved much better husbands.

dont tell me he did it to follow satyavati's orders. well bheeshma had taken the vow to serve the throne. nowhere he took the vow that he will follow satyavati's orders blindly. he went to kashi because he himself wanted to take revenge.

now some people will still argue that he respected his mother and followed all her wishes like a dutiful son. then later on satyavati had even told him to marry and have children. that was also mother's wish na ?? then why didnt he follow that wish and order ?

why he "very conveniently" followed only some particular orders but turned a blatant deaf ear towards other orders of his mother ? i want to know if anyone has any answer to this question.

First of all marrying Satyavati was King Shantanu's choice not Bheeshma's. Shantanu raja was madly in love with her and couldn't help it even though she belonged to the fishermen's community😉. Bheeshma just supported his father and cleared his way out by taking the oath of celibacy which personally for me was quite ludicrous off course. And then coming to Vichitraviriya, since he himself was incapable of finding his own bride, Satyavati and Bheeshma took the task. They must have finally zeroed on on Kashi princesses because they were the best match.

Now here I have a vital question for you ...have you ever heard people going for an arranged marriage seeking a bride or a bridegroom who belongs to a lower caste or a lower society for that matter? As far as I know they always go for a match who has an equal status or if possible for a higher, affluent status also but never for a lower one. And Hastinapur beyond doubt was the most powerful, rich kingdom of those times. And Kashi Naresh himself was more than happy to offer his daughters for marriage after the initial confusions were sorted out because of the powerful allegiance that he had achieved.

And finally here is no argument but merely stating the fact that Bheeshma was named Bheeshma because of the "Bheeshma" pratigya that he took. So how could he back out from that and succumbed to his mothers's wish/ order of getting married.And Satyavati knew this very well, she was merely trying to nudge him a bit and see if he could finally agree with her.

Originally posted by: poseidon2

so you see nothing wrong in ruining the lives of worthy princesses for unfit princes ? the thing which happened during kashi princesses , bheeshma repeated same thing during gandhari's case.

now i have a bigger vital question for you😉. see i know vichitraveerya was not capable to win or woo a girl on his own. so bheeshma had to find a bride for him. absolutely nothing wrong about it. according to me the solution was to marry him to a local girl. this way even the girl would be happy as she would the queen and even the actual princesses would had got much better deserving princes.

for a moment lets believe your viewpoint.

then also tell me 1 thing. bheeshma could had brought 1 princess for vichitraveerya. teen teen rajkumariyon ko uthakar lane ki kya zaroorat thi ? how is marrying off 3 princesses by strength and power to 1 single unfit prince aaceptable ? by which logic ? kindly enlighten me by your thoughts.

by the way where is it mentioned that kashi king was happy ultimately ? i never knew that he was happy after amba burned herself , he was happy after what all things happened with ambika and ambalika. please share the links which state that kashi king was happy after "all the confusions" were sorted off

I will make this short and simple as finding this kind of weird and stupid of myself🤔 in indulging in a discussion trying to justify the iconic and one of the greatest character of the epic. Please do carry on with your perception whatever it may be as I choose to stick with mine.

Originally posted by: poseidon2

every father has the right to decide what is best for his daughter. satyavati's father and kashi king did the same thing though in different ways. satyavati's father made bheeshma give up the throne for his daughter's interests. same way kashi king didnt invite vichitraveerya because he thought that he was not fit for any of his daughters. he didnt do that to show neecha to hastinapur but because as a father he felt that the prince of hastinapur was not worthy for his daughters. was he wrong as a dad ?

if bheeshma could respect satyavati's dad's wishes and took a stupid oath then why couldnt he respect the feelings of kashi king ? why bheeshma had to go and create havoc over there to take revenge and prove how powerful he was ?

he highly followed satyavati's dad's unjust wishes for his daughter's interests , then kashi king's decision of not inviting vichitraveerya was totally just as vichitraveerya was indeed not fit.

bheeshma could respect the desires of a selfish dad but not of a just and selfless dad.

now coming to swayamvara and the best warrior won🤣🤣. well there are lots of points you are forgetting. the swayamvara of kashi princesses was not a competition like draupadi's swayamvara or sita swayamvara. there was not any sport or any condition that whoever wins will get the princess as his bride. the swayamvara of kashi princesses was purely on their wish as to whom they want to select without and competition of winning. so bheeshma violated the rule😆.

besides in swayamvara the actual husband has to win it. not his brother father or any other damn person. it was swayamvara and not swayamjeth or swayamsasur 🤪

@ bold 1- As a father the kashi king may be right in not wanting vichi as his SIL but as a king not extending at least an invitation to Vichi- prince of Hastinapur, for the "Swayamwara" was a very foolish move. If it was to be a swayamvara what was the harm in inviting Vichi whom his daughters could have easily overlooked for some other suitor? What was the need to invite trouble in the form of Bheeshma ? 😉 Not extending an invitation to Vichi would definitely be seen as an insult that a powerful kingdom would be expected to take lying down. Not getting chosen in the swayamwara would have been acceptable as per social norms. With a powerful person like Bheeshma as caretaker King of Hastinapur the Kashi king should not have taken such a foolish and unnecessary step of slighting the crown prince of Hastinapur.