Jodha Akbar 87: The Gordian Knot - Page 4

Thank you, my sweet!

This post was special for me, far more than any of the others I have done so far. I felt it was necessary to highlight the extreme importance of what Jalal did, and the real risk he took, partly for Jodha, but partly for a much larger and greater cause.

Do see my last post to Ela above, which brings out the seriousness of the butparasti aspect, even for an emperor, and also her final response.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: doyelpakhi

Superlike!

brilliant! and the highlight was of ofcourse the last scene so beautifully explained by u..spectacular and brilliantly shot! rajat at his best in that scene👏

Shyamala you have double posted ...

Good Lord,, Ela! No wonder I could not find your post on one of these threads! Now what should I do?

Shyamala

Originally posted by: elasingh

Shyamala you have double posted ...

Thank you so much, my dear Meghana, I myself liked this post more than I usually do any of mine, as I wanted very much to bring out the real significance of what Jalal does and what it means for him. Also about the butparasti angle, which received no attention at all elsewhere in the forum. Mahaam Anga is very shrewd politically and today she was correct, in that specific sense, in what she said about the temple visit to Jalal. And she does not even know about the matha tekhna!

I liked your latest post a lot, and have commented on that thread.

Well, it seems I have goofed up and double posted, so that there are now 2 threads on this topic. Let me try and clean this one up and shift all the comments to the other one.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: meghanajain

Loved your post as you always bring out a different perspective with deep insight. The line below is so apt, he did become Akbar at that very moment.

In that one gesture of self-surrender to the Universal Divine, which he is able to perceive in the alien Devi Mahakali, in that act of submission to this Divine heedless of his ego, Jalaluddin Mohammed becomes Akbar.

LOL on this line below, will she ever learn it by observing her husband. I guess not till she has this righteous outlook that Jalal is jallad or rahter she is better than him.

Imagination was never her strong point.

This is great insight. Jalal has been bitter after the tiger incident because she continues to doubt him. He is a child who needs big time acceptance and care from Jodha. After the devi maa act if Jodha is still cross, I don't know what other mean things I can write about her. My dictionary of bad words for Jodha is exhausted, will borrow the one she is using I guess. Jodha ki dictionary mein koi kami nahin hai Jalal ki burai ke liye

But what struck me, in all this relentless, mischievous, flirtatious badinage from Jalal's side, was the periodic surfacing of a very evident bitterness. It is there

My dear, I cannot tell you how delighted I am to find a soulmate! I reacted to that scene exactly as you did. Yet, there are some posts going into such exhaustive details about all the tane exchanged between Jalal and Jodha, and this scene is dismissed in one tiny para!

This post was special for me as well, for I wanted to bring out the exceptional significance of what Jalal did and why he did it, as also the very real risk he ran. Do take a look at my last response to Ela above on the butparasti angle, it will interest you, and we will be of the same mind re: my umpteenth critique of Jodha!

Rajat was incredible, especially when he looked up at the Devi, and then in the very last shot as he looks back at Jodha. The boy never ceases to amaze me, and I am not easily impressed, plus being long past the age of gushing over a handsome face.

I seem to have goofed up and double posted, so there are 2 threads on this topic, with the comments scattered between the two. I am in 2 minds whether to leave them as they are or clean them up.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: mandyg

brilliant! and the highlight was of ofcourse the last scene so beautifully explained by u..spectacular and brilliantly shot! rajat at his best in that scene👏

My dear Ela,

You are spot on about this, and I was surprised to see a thread about today's episode attacking Mahaam for being so fanatic and for calling non-Muslims kafir. Why, the writer seems to have no idea of what goes on in Saudi Arabia, for instance, where you can be arrested for holding a private Christian or other prayer meeting in your own home, and this in 2013. And that was the 16th century!

And then there is another thread with every tana exchanged yesterday between Jalal and Jodha parsed, as we used to do at school, in 9 columns, and then one throwaway little para about the last scene, which was really seminal for Akbar, not to speak of Jodha Akbar!

Well, to each her own, of course, but I am very pleased that some like you have attached to this aspect the importance it deserves.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: elasingh

I know what butparasti means to a muslim...It is blashemy...It means political death for Jalal and giving rise to revolt ...and strengthing hands of the likes of AK and Shirfu...

Infact dont you think his visiting mandir was shocking ? I found DS suggestion very foolish...I dont know any 21st century muslim doing this...and I am quite aware of this community...

wish Jodha understood it...

Jodha's visiting Ajmer cant be compared to it...

Originally posted by: sashashyam

One more point, Ela. You are perhaps the only person in the forum, besides me, to understand the seriousness of a potential charge of butparasti, and what it could have meant for Jalal, not yet anywhere near as secure as Akbar was in 1590, say. It is just as well for him that none of his entourage came into the temple with him! As for Jodha understanding the import of his gesture, forget it.

I was in fact surprised at Dadisa's suggesting that Jalal go along, for she could hardly have known that he would be so, to use a contemporary term. liberal, in fact Sufi.

Everyone else here takes it for granted as a minor gesture of broadmindedness. It is, politically speaking, anything but minor, not then, and it would not be now either. Why, a full century after this period, Charles II of England confessed to being a Catholic only on his death bed, 20 years after he came to the throne in 1662!

Why, when we arrange Head of State or Head of Government visits to India, we are very careful about arranging any visits to places of worship. Think of, say, the Saudi King visiting the Meenakshi Temple at Madurai! No way!! I have never seen a leader of another religion visiting a Hindu shrine, though Western leaders go to the Golden Temple at Amritsar.

Shyamala