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Posted: 12 years ago
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I have been reading a lot of posts bashing Ganga and I wanted to make a post of my own so here goes-Phew😆:

I think you are wrong regarding Ganga. The whole problem surrounding Ganga is that people have way too many expectations of her. And then again, the fact that she was introduced as a love interest for Jagdish whose past makes him an object of hate for many did not help her case. Here's what I saw when she entered

She is and has always been a simple girl. Sold at the age of 12 she endured years of abuse before attempting to run away. Even that attempt was solely because she was concerned for her child- a case of natural instincts like mother love winning over her own feelings of fear

What that says to me about her is that of a normal,slightly timid girl who takes life as it comes, who is NOT a rebel and who tries to make the best of a bad situation. Somene who bore no resemblance to Anandi in fact

By the time she was 20 (her current age in BV) she had a 1 yr old son. She had been physically, mentally and sexually abused in every way possible by an utterly disgusting family, making her terrified, nervous and filling her with bitterness and hate against them. Her first entry shows that beautifully- she was like a cornered animal at that time. She knew nothing about the world except that it was her enemy. Qualities of independance, standing up for one's own rights had been stamped out of her. She was weak, mentally

Thankfully nature and fate intervened. First Jagya entered her life and motivated her even more to take her child and get out . He told her what awaited her child if she didn't do it. Secondly she was so frantic for her child that she grabbed the first helping hand she could and ran

Here we have a woman who is scared to trust the world but who is well aware that she needs help. Remember she had tried to run away twice before and both times had been cruelly dealt with. It was only when Jagya helped her that she found her own way

Ganga is basically a woman who subconsciously relies on help, no matter how much she tries not to,primarily because she has never experienced doing things on her own. Put yourself in her shoes and think. What would have happened if you never knew your parents, grew up in a harsh household went into an even worse one for 19 long years. Almost all of her formative years was spent in beating any spark of individuality and character out of her. You cannot compare her to a normal woman and expect her to behave the same way. Characters are developed based on the environment you grow up in.

Even one traumatic incident can scar you for life.My volunteer experience has made me come in contact with rape victims and it is pitiable. They start at every noise , they are terrified of their own family members , the mere presence of a male doctor scares them, it takes years of therapy for them to get over it ...this child has been undergoing it all through her teenage years!

It speaks volumes about her that even after all that she manages to lead a normal life. But the repercussions are there and it is reflected in her low self esteem, her inability to hide her own feelings and therefore her frequent crying( described fondly as crocodile tears by some) , her acceptance to Jagya's orders----he is the only man who has ever shown affection or kindness!

To return , Ganga reaches Badi Haveli. There she is taken aback by the kindness she receives. Her low self esteem immediately makes her painfully grateful to them and she starts doing kitchen work and assuming the position of a servant in that household. She also clings to the Singhs, as they are kind to her and they assume a position of family in her mind. They also treated her in such amanner, be it Dadisa's insistance that she stay or Sumitra and Gehna's loving companionship. Most of all Jagya assumes the role of friend, mentor and hero to her. He saved her life, gave her a new lease of freedom and motivates her to move on. Of all the Singhs with the possible exception of Dadisa he is the one who really understands her.

For those of you who cannot understand Ganga, I suggest you think of your very old grandparents. They are old and mentally weak, prone to tears or fits of irritability and tends to cling on to their children. What old age did to the strength of their minds, years of abuse did to Ganga

Ganga falls in love with Jagya. It was inevitable. For a woman who had absolutely no experience with affection from men , Jagya was a revelation. As for people suggesting that it was wrong for her to do so-😆
Nobody falls in love wantedly. It happens. What you can control is how you behave after it. I had a huge crush from 8th-10th on a guy. Thankfully neither did he know I exist,nor did I fail to see that it was just a crush
But for Ganga hero-worship turned into love primarily because she could not identify or categorize her feelings. Not only did she not have a mother figure to explain to her about feelings that are natural at this age, she has never experienced them before. The crush turned to love . But the fact that she did not act upon it is what defines her

Now she is confused and horrified. Nobody is there for her to advise her . She tries to carry on as normal. Then the Singh horror starts. The family this child considered her own suddenly wants her out. Many people question- WHY DID SHE CONSIDER THEM HER OWN? Because obviously they led her to believe so
They forced her to stay with them, treated her as one of them and then did a 360 degree turn. It's the equivalent of giving a baby a balloon, hugging it, cuddling it and then slapping the child and popping the balloon. Ganga is no different from the baby when it comes to love or relationships

Unsettled and thrown off balance she tries to find her way again and she almost does so but the Bala rape attempt happens and then she is shattered again




The whole point is people see Ganga as a normal girl or Anandi and blame her. She is NOT a normal girl and definitely not Anandi. Anandi had champions during her darkest time. This girl had no one when she was enduring horrors beyond the imagination of a woman.Not even another woman to comfort her.

Ganga is NOT a fighter. She fought for Mannu because he is the center of her world. She fought for Jagya's life because she loved him. She fought for the Singh's life during Ratan Singh's attck because she loves them. But by normal character she is NOT a fighter . It's not her fault. Her past has scarred her in such a manner. Timidity or being scared is not a crime in my opinion as long as you keep trying to change it. Everyone's different

What I don't understand is why she is blamed for not being a fighter. Not everyone grows up to be a strong independent champion. It takes a good environment, it takes support and encouragement.None of which Ganga had when growing up
But there are also woman who need help , who are inherently weak and they need help to achieve that independence and strength. Merely bashing her for not being strong enough or accepting help or not taking a firm stand against decisions makes us victim-bashers. We should be the ones to rise up and become champions for them instead

What makes Ganga special to me is that she keeps trying to overcome those problems and she is actually a loving, nice person who genuinely cares about people and doesn't want to hurt them. It doesn't matter if she is not a tigress who eschews all help and carves her own path and blah blah blah. The fact that she is not a superwoman who thinks on her feet is NOT something to be blamed

Final word

Ganga is a simple woman with simple ambitions who is trying to overcome the effects of her own past. The zenith of her ambition is a career of her own, a way to provide her child with rotis and a family,people she can love, rely on and take care of. I am cheering for her on her own personal adventure


P.S- Sorry for the loong post😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@ranitha v.well said!!👏
w'ful post & b'fully written.⭐️⭐️⭐️
i've nothing 2say on such bang on post as u'd said almost all things & analysed it b'fully.😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: tiny15

@ranitha v.well said!!👏

w'ful post & b'fully written.⭐️⭐️⭐️
i've nothing 2say on such bang on post as u'd said almost all things & analysed it b'fully.😊



Thanks😊. Ganga is special to me and I hate to see her getting bashed for no reason -in serial or outside of it
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hi TM,
All that you said about Ganga is fair. And there is absolutely nothing wrong if she fell for Jagdish. There is nothing wrong in marrying him too because they both wanted it, but what some of us are questioning 'why preach when you cannot practice it?' And why behave as if you were 'forced' when in real sense you wanted it and yearned for it. ( I am taking about the marriage here).

Ganga once lectured J during holi incident as how he could dream of Anandi (another man's wife), but she did the same. She dreamt of being in his arms knowing he is engaged to Sa. Why preach when you can't practice?

Same Ganga left BH with pride making Sumi & DS feel guilty, but the very next moment she did not hesitate taking help from J financially & emotionally for the next 6-8 months. Then why walk out with false pride on that family, but take help from their son?

She did not mind celebrating teej with him, which she knows is a hubby-wife festival, and also knew that J was engaged to Sa. She never encouraged J, but she never even distanced herself from him because he was 'paraya mard'

Finally, why did she walk out of J's cabin in hospital, when Sumi insulted her, and in the very next moment she didn't even mind J filling her maang? She clearly knew that Sumi & Singhs don't like her, then why didn't she stop her 'dactarsaa'?

Ganga so much wanted J, so she didn't stop him. Fine. But then why was she crying so much, as if only J had forced this marriage on her and she was helpless.

Why pretend that she feels sorry for what happened, when she actually knew that rifts would happen between two families if she let J marry her? Then why say those words ' meri wajah se sab hua'

Ganga wanted this marriage, and she is equally a party to it. She is no innocent or bechari. She was not helpless anymore. If she wanted to stop the marriage, she could have. But she did not, because her own happiness mattered to her more than her benefactors. And she took that opportunity. So she is no bechari. She looked after self-interests too, (which was to be with J).

I am not against J-G marriage. And niether do I have any objection on G desiring for J. I have objection against the self-pity mode she creates for herself.
I am happy for J-G but I don't support J or G's act here. Apart from that I wish they remain happily married.
Edited by Missesha - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Well said Esha.
Ganga's life has been filled with thorns till she met Singhs.For the first time she saw a world so totally different from the one she grew up in and there is nothing wrong if she liked her life with Singhs.
She knew that Sumi doesn't want her to be part of their lives.If Sumi did not like her it is her prerogative.She left the house on her own saying she doesn't want their help and yet she had no compunctions in accepting Jagya's help.But isn't Jagya son of Sumi?After all what Jagya was giving actually belonged to the family.If Sumi sees her as someone dividing the family she had a reason to believe that.
Ganga loves Jagya and Jagya is committed to someone else yet she never distanced herself from him it is not just the physical distance but emotional distance too.When she was in Mangalore she wondered why Jagya's calls are getting shorter and less frequent. Didn't she know that he was involved somewhere else?
Now that she is trained and able to stand her own two feet why she didn't ask Jagya to look into that Jaipur hospital job?Why come back to Jaitser with him knowing fully well what storm her presence in Jaitser is going to create?

She allowed him to put sindoor on her.It did not happen because he did it forcibly.
If she did not want Jagya to do that she would have fought him tooth and nail or given it off to him for doing that if she was not successful in stopping him.Because she is that kind of a woman.

And there is nothing wrong if she fell in love with Jagya and wanted to be with him and spend her life with him.She is actually getting what she wanted in her life but behaving as if she was forced into that situation.That is what not acceptable.

Edited by aparnauma - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Missesha

Hi TM,

All that you said about Ganga is fair. And there is absolutely nothing wrong if she fell for Jagdish. There is nothing wrong in marrying him too because they both wanted it, but what some of us are questioning 'why preach when you cannot practice it?' And why behave as if you were 'forced' when in real sense you wanted it and yearned for it. ( I am taking about the marriage here).

Hi😊
Uh...honestly I don't think she yearned for marriage with Jagya. She loved him, definitely but I believe that she never thought of a life together with him. To her it must have seemed like grasping for the moon
She would have been thrilled if it had happened normally. But again, a marriage like this with everyone declaring her to be some sort of a vamp and bashing the man she loves would be the worst thing ever . Personally I believe Ganga would have rather died that gone through this "marriage"


An example would be me wanting to win the Nobel prize(😆) but ending up getting it after someone else bribes , murders the committee and the whole world blames me. But I didn't do anything wrong and neither would I have even dreamt of taking it in such a manner

Ganga once lectured J during holi incident as how he could dream of Anandi (another man's wife), but she did the same. She dreamt of being in his arms knowing he is engaged to Sa. Why preach when you can't practice?

Anandi, the woman who had got Ganga back her child had placed her under a responsibility (God knows why?) to make sure the inghs are okay and Jagya moves on. I saw this move of Ganga's as an effort to make Jagya move on. If Jagya had wanted to keep dreaming of Anandi and nobody else had cared she wouldn't have cared too. But the fact that the Singhs and Anandi wanted Jagya to marry made her sternly lecture him in an effort to push him forward
But yes, it does show double standards


Same Ganga left BH with pride making Sumi & DS feel guilty, but the very next moment she did not hesitate taking help from J financially & emotionally for the next 6-8 months. Then why walk out with false pride on that family, but take help from their son?

Ganga left BH because she cared for them and she was genuinely scared for them. Pride had nothing to do with it. Like I said she does not possess that much pride.Taking help from Jagya seemed fine because she wasn't staying at BH anymore which was what Sumi's major complaint had been. She wasn't bringing problems to BH and the Singhs by staying at the hospital quarters.
Again, she has a tendency to accept help and also has problems with defying people. Jagya probably swooped on her and dragged her back not letting her utter a word, same way he married her. She doesn't think fast or argue back. She is just learning how to now

She did not mind celebrating teej with him, which she knows is a hubby-wife festival, and also knew that J was engaged to Sa. She never encouraged J, but she never even distanced herself from him because he was 'paraya mard'

She celebrated teej with him, not for him and that is what makes the difference. He came, she treated him like the friend and mentor he was( her own feelings she hides) and she knew he considered himself to be. She performed Teej, broke her fast and he watched. What is wrong there?
Jagya and Ganga are in love now but foremost they are friends. They complete each other. Their relationship is part mentor-student , part deep friendship and now love. It is probably because they are the only people who don't judge each other but silently support each other. It is a very beautiful, strong relationship of companionship and mutual respect

Finally, why did she walk out of J's cabin in hospital, when Sumi insulted her, and in the very next moment she didn't even mind J filling her maang? She clearly knew that Sumi & Singhs don't like her, then why didn't she stop her 'dactarsaa'?

Ganga so much wanted J, so she didn't stop him. Fine. But then why was she crying so much, as if only J had forced this marriage on her and she was helpless.

There I will categorically say you are wrong. She walked out as any woman would on hearing such vile insults. But then she was stopped, Jagya drops a bomb, shocks her to the core and before she knows what is happening, puts sindoor on her maang. This is kind of what I explained before- it is classic Trauma syndrome. She doesn't think fast. She needs time to process situations and when the man you idolize says he loves you, it is actually a big shock. If he had told her, I am going to marry you tomorrow, she would probably have left once she grasped the facts. He didn't give her time to think

Why pretend that she feels sorry for what happened, when she actually knew that rifts would happen between two families if she let J marry her? Then why say those words ' meri wajah se sab hua'

Ganga wanted this marriage, and she is equally a party to it. She is no innocent or bechari. She was not helpless anymore. If she wanted to stop the marriage, she could have. But she did not, because her own happiness mattered to her more than her benefactors. And she took that opportunity. So she is no bechari. She looked after self-interests to, (which was to be with J).

She did not want a marriage like this. Like I said she would rather have dies than have this. Considering she gave up her son for the Singhs I am 100% sure she would not have been party to this if she knew what was happening beforehand.
No, she could not have stopped this marriage because she was still in shock over Jagya's words and Sumi's behaviour when he married her. Another Shock. Then the insults, threats and tamasha. Another Shock. She keeps getting bombed so many times
Never ever has she placed her own happiness over her benefactors. never. Be it braving sumi's wrath to disclose Kanchan's truth, be it giving up her precious son, or be it leaving for Mangalore on her own and making Jagya angry. And yes, to me she is a bechari who needs to get away from all this tamasha. She never voluntarily showed Jagya or the Singhs that she loved him and as much as possible shielded her feelings


I am not against J-G marriage. And niether do I have any objection on G desiring for J. I have objection against the self-pity mode she creates for herself.
I am happy for J-G but I don't support J or G's act here. Apart from that I wish they remain happily married.

Well, I appreciate your post. I disagree with you on Ganga creating self pity mode. But I am glad you wish them happy. I hope my replies make sense😳

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Well said Esha and Aparna.👍🏼
TM,
Though i have no problem with Ganga marrying J. Actually i think they are well suited to each other but i havent like the way it happened. Jagya surely is more responsible for their sudden marriage but Ganga too was a willing party in all this. No one can put sindoor so easily in a girl's maang if she really does not want it.

She was dreaming about J through out those 6-months while she was in Manglore. Her complaining to mannu that Doctorsa was talking less to them, or happily preparing for going back to Jaitser , or feeling hurt that J was offering her job in Jaipur not in his own hospital, were indications enough that she was not willing or trying to maintain a emotional distance btw them.
Agree she celebrated Teej with him, not for him but was that necessary knowing fully well that he was now some one else fiancee? She immediately wore the saree J gave her as gift . The expressions she gave to J at that time was not like a beneficiary to her benefactor.
Her dream hug of J after clearing from the charges,was totally opposite to her preaching which she gave to J on Holi.
She was telling J that he made her kabil etc, but it was not only J who made her kabil but BH people including Sumitra too have their share in that. Though Sumitra now has crossed the line of every decency toward her but initially she too was supporting her . She became illogical after Ratan goons beaten J critically , Sa fed her with fears of more such attacks and she herself suspected something more than just friendship btw her son and a woman she thought she has given only shelter. Both of her fears came true.So they too have kind of claim on her loyalty.
I think instead of coming immediately Jaitser with J (knowing that it will not please Sumitra, other BH peeps and most imp his would be wife ) she could have convinced J for going to Jaipur and finding a suitable job for her there. But she has silently supported J's decision to come back to Jaitser which has bound to create the friction btw J and his family.

In hospital Sumi provoked J by asking "tera isse rishta kya hai". And Ganga did the same by asking the same question and saying that daya ke rishte se aap mujhe nahi rok sakte. Both Sumi and Ganga pushed Jagya for immediate action.
Now she can not act a bechari, forced by J in this marriage
I had expectations from her coz for me she was the one who knew the difference btw right and wrong.


Edited by anshurg5 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: aparnauma

Well said Esha.

Ganga's life has been filled with thorns till she met Singhs.For the first time she saw a world so totally different from the one she grew up in and there is nothing wrong if she liked her life with Singhs.
She knew that Sumi doesn't want her to be part of their lives.If Sumi did not like her it is her prerogative.She left the house on her own saying she doesn't want their help and yet she had no compunctions in accepting Jagya's help.But isn't Jagya son of Sumi?After all what Jagya was giving actually belonged to the family.If Sumi sees her as someone dividing the family she had a reason to believe that.
Ganga loves Jagya and Jagya is committed to someone else yet she never distanced herself from him it is not just the physical distance but emotional distance too.When she was in Mangalore she wondered why Jagya's calls are getting shorter and less frequent. Didn't she know that he was involved somewhere else?
Now that she is trained and able to stand her own two feet why she didn't ask Jagya to look into that Jaipur hospital job?Why come back to Jaitser with him knowing fully well what storm her presence in Jaitser is going to create?

She allowed him to put sindoor on her.It did not happen because he did it forcibly.
If she did not want Jagya to do that she would have fought him tooth and nail or given it off to him for doing that if she was not successful in stopping him.Because she is that kind of a woman.

And there is nothing wrong if she fell in Jagya and wanted to be with him and spend her life with him.She is actually getting what she wanted in her life but behaving as if she was forced into that situation.That is what not acceptable.


Allright most of your points are similar to Missesha's so please see my reply there too. However let's see
1. Sumi initially was very nice to Ganga, consoling her and helping her. It was later that the volte face happened. By then Ganga considered them her family and was puzzled rather than offended at Sumi's behaviour. Plus with the exception of Sumi everyone else treated her the same. Again, points mentioned in my post- clinging to people she can trust, a fear of unknown. She does not think like a normal woman but is more timid, with no pride or self esteem. She almost expects it

Reasons why she took Jagya's help detailed in reply to Missesha


2. Did not distance from Jagya emotionally
Did Ganga know that anyone knew she loved Jagya? NO. Did she plan on telling anyone about it? NO. It was her secret to carry. She saw no reason to cut ties with Jagya because more than love he was her friend, a person she could trust and for a person hungry for emotional support Jagya was the only person she had. Is it wrong she maintained ties with him,talked to him like a friend?She never mentioned the word love.He was simply the only person or friend she had with whom she could share her day, her best friend and I don't understand what was wrong with it.She never attempted to distance him from Sanchi or manipulate him. So what was the problem. The only person at all getting hurt was herself probably and if she was willing to suffer it for his friendship then i don't really see the problem

Sindoor- she was in shock at his declarations and Sumi's accusations and it happened.Because she is that kind of a woman.If he had given her time to think she would have fought tooth and nail, I agree with you there. She takes time to process shocks. witness her indecision when Ratan singh attacked.

She is crying because she would have never wanted to marry Jagya in such a manner. She would have preferred to give him up and go away than be accused of being a homewrecker and craeting such a rift. Not even in her wildest dreams did she dream of a life with Jagya. She loved him certainly but she never dreamed of a life with him. To her that was an impossible thing



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Posted: 12 years ago
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@ Ranitha,
Thanks for answering to my post. I appreciate your stand, but do not agree.

Yes Ganga is a simple girl, who is trying to fight life and making it worthwhile. She also does not intend to scheme or plot or snatch.

But having said that, she has different principles for others and different for her own.

She has a great sense of social customs and societal behaviour, great sense of ethics and principles, and clearly knows the difference of right from wrong as per society, culture, customs, relationship etc. But when it comes to applying them wherever J is concerned, she shows double standards.

Besides which, if she loved J and have had no objection in marrying him then accept it that way. No need to then seek sympathy - meri wajah se sab hua... Because of course she knew what kind of storm was coming.

Apart from that let's hope that J-G marriage turns into a blessing eventually & misunderstanding get cleared.

Edited by Missesha - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@ Missesha
"meri wajah se sab hua" was to me not a ploy to gain sympathy but was actually a genuine heartfelt declaration at her horror at what had happened to her benefactors because of her presence. She tends to blame herself probably because in her history everybody used to blame her.

She loves Jagya certainly but she never wished to marry him as such. She definitely knew the storm it would cause which was why she never intended on marrying him. Which was why she didn't even inform him when she went to jail. She was starting to learn how to live without him

But chalo we both have different view points😊
Anyways hope that J-G marriage clears out as you said. I would like to see a little positivity in the serial. Tone down Ira and Sanchi. If at all they have to show them, show it as Ira teaching sanchi manners. Ansh clearing misunderstandings and moving ahead. Jagan picking up the pieces and moving ahead. Something nice instead of curses and threats and screams🤢

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