Weekend Analysis Thread 12:The bitter truth.. - Page 6

My dear Ela,

The Buddha was hardly a pattern card of a husband, given that he ditched his wife and child and vamoosed, to follow a higher calling. In legal terminology today, that is called abandonment.

Asoka was said to be unbelievably cruel till, after conquering the rest of the country and slaughtering hundreds of thousands in Kalinga, he suddenly had an epiphany, and adopted non-violence. He could afford it because there was no one left to threaten him and the Huns were still 5 centuries away. But before Kalinga, he apparently used to do things which would make Jalal the Jallad's foot cutting look like a peccadillo. I do not know about his wives, but I would not have liked to have been one.

Muhammed Tughlaq was ahead of his time and eccentrically brilliant, but if you had been on the forced march to Daulatabad, you would have preferred Jalal the Jallad,for he at least did not make anyone walk, bag and baggage, from Agra to Amer.

As for Gandhiji, he was a lousy husband, and any 21st century wife would not have tolerated him for more than a week. He was an emotional blackmailer and a moral dictator,whether he wanted Kasturba to clean toilets or drink goat's milk. He was proof positive of the maxim that whatever else you do with a saint, you should never marry him.

Given all these examples, I really feel that one should not hold a nazarband, and some sneering and threatening against Jalal, and not even his being a Badiammi's boy😉.

Shyamala .

Originally posted by: elasingh

Shyamala I watch this serial for one and one only Jalal...Its the truth...I love few personalities in history like Buddha, Ashoka, Akbar, Muhammad tuglaq, and Gandhi...I know I am very harsh on him but he has given me reasons...I feel Ekta has made Jalal into a brainless, nonthinking and Mummy ka beta Jalal and I dont like it...

In the begining I used to be quite critical of Jodha ...Now I support her but she is still not the reason I watch this serial...I watch it only for Jalal...

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Ela, sweetheart, now confess: you do not like Jalal, period!😉 What you want is for him to parade around in sackcloth and ashes, seeking the pardon of Jodha and the whole Amer gang right down to Mansingh and the house spaniel if they had one! 😉

Well, I too think he should apologise to her - for he was unnecessarily beastly to her in the dature ka ark affair, and to her alone, not to her brothers -but in privacy. Emperors then, like goverments today, do not apologise publicly for their mistakes unless, in the latter case, an election looms ahead. Jalal does not have bother about elections, but he does have to bother about any perception of him as being weak.

Shyamala

Jyothi,

The institution I meant was not marriage - which is why I noted that her attitude to her wifely duties is highly selective. I meant the monarchy, and if you re-read my response, you will see that it is structured round that.

She is not defending Jalal the man at all, she is only defending the institution of the Shahenshah, and insisting that it has to be respected by the praja under all circumstances. She is quite categoric about that.

She hates him as a husband and says as much to her brothers. There is no respect then for the institution of marriage, which would mandate respect for the husband, nor later when she asks him to leave her room. Why, she is always expressing to Moti her disgust and sense of shame at being married to such a man.

There might have been some softening there of late, but the bulk of it remains unchanged.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: jyoti06

@Shyamala : Yes I do agree that she respects the institution of marriage and so by default follows its rule .. thats why I said she did that not out of love or anything but out of her respect for the institution and teachings of her family .. But at the same time she is also aware whom she is defending in this case .. she knows its the same man who held her family captive in MC case .. but she keeps aside all that hatred only because the same man is her husband too .. so yeah thats the point I wanted to make here .. its the institution she respects and so comes her wifey duties too .,..

Shyamala I dont love any of these great men for their personal lives ...

Dear Ela,

I knew that even without you telling me now, and most of my rejoinder was tongue in cheek (which is where mine is most of the time!). I now realise that I should have festooned the post with 😉s! Though, to be fair to me, Ashoka's extreme cruelty pre-Kalinga, and Muhammed bin Tughlaq's ruthlessness in making that forced change of capital, were in the public sphere, not in their private lives.

The thing is that here, there is as yet next to nothing about Jalal's public life, and his private one is being given the most melodramatic treatment you can think of, to fit it with the haivaan se insaan motto. Whence all these aberrations that, along with an Ekta-soap vintage, OTT Mahaam, set your teeth on edge!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: elasingh

Shyamala I dont love any of these great men for their personal lives ...

Similarly I like Akbar for the administration he gave to his subjects, and the institutions he built that even his non able children and grand children could rule India efficiently...It is all Akbar's doing...👍🏼

With this Jalal I am able to see personal life...I am angry with him becoz

He doesnt look inside the metter and gives superficial judgement...All guilties go scott free...

I am angry that on very flimsy grounds he ordered Jodha to be burned along with her brothers...

Even that I can tolerate, but why laugh at her death along with Ruku...this shows him in a very poor light...

Again putting his sword on Jodha's neck , didn't he wait to think that her brothers had saved his life? should have hesitated for a second at least...

I dont like his blindness towards MA at all...Real Jalal and Ashutosh's Jalal were rather different...

But still it is Jalal only who makes me sit in front of TV and RT is brilliant actor...

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Ela,

I knew that even without you telling me now, and most of my rejoinder was tongue in cheek (which is where mine is most of the time!). I now realise that I should have festooned the post with 😉s! Though, to be fair to me, Ashoka's extreme cruelty pre-Kalinga, and Muhammed bin Tughlaq's ruthlessness in making that forced change of capital, were in the public sphere, not in their private lives.

The thing is that here, there is as yet next to nothing about Jalal's public life, and his private one is being given the most melodramatic treatment you can think of, to fit it with the haivaan se insaan motto. Whence all these aberrations that, along with an Ekta-soap vintage, OTT Mahaam, set your teeth on edge!

Shyamala

Ofcourse you knew it as I have spoken these reasons at least 50 times in ur thread...😆

Originally posted by: jyoti06

@Khush : Sorry yaar ..last time I dint get the time to reply back .. this time I will surely wait for your reply to reply back again 😉😳

And yess I will love a scene where Jalal teases Jodha about her defence in bazaar she used for him 😛 ,... that will b a sight to watch since I dont think Jodha is aware of Jalal heard it all 😉 .. it will b interesting to see her reaction then 😆

I too feel Jodha might finally realise what Hamida wanted to tell her .. she might see how Jalal is emotionally shaken up with this event .. he might feel all alone and betrayed and there might b a scene where he cries his heart out to Hamida which Jodha might see and here on we might see the transformation to next phase where Jodha will finally begin to see and appreciate the positives in Jalal 😳

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Ela,

The Buddha was hardly a pattern card of a husband, given that he ditched his wife and child and vamoosed, to follow a higher calling. In legal terminology today, that is called abandonment.

Asoka was said to be unbelievably cruel till, after conquering the rest of the country and slaughtering hundreds of thousands in Kalinga, he suddenly had an epiphany, and adopted non-violence. He could afford it because there was no one left to threaten him and the Huns were still 5 centuries away. But before Kalinga, he apparently used to do things which would make Jalal the Jallad's foot cutting look like a peccadillo. I do not know about his wives, but I would not have liked to have been one.

Muhammed Tughlaq was ahead of his time and eccentrically brilliant, but if you had been on the forced march to Daulatabad, you would have preferred Jalal the Jallad,for he at least did not make anyone walk, bag and baggage, from Agra to Amer.

As for Gandhiji, he was a lousy husband, and any 21st century wife would not have tolerated him for more than a week. He was an emotional blackmailer and a moral dictator,whether he wanted Kasturba to clean toilets or drink goat's milk. He was proof positive of the maxim that whatever else you do with a saint, you should never marry him.

Given all these examples, I really feel that one should not hold a nazarband, and some sneering and threatening against Jalal, and not even his being a Badiammi's boy😉.

Shyamala .

Oh, that was because you listed all of them, along with Akbar, as historical figures you had always admired. 😉

Shyamala