Book 7 Theories!!!

Ok so now I have done a search for Books 7 Theories here and didn't find anything.... so I thought I may as well create a new post on it.

What do you think will happen in book 7?

We'll the main reason I started this topic was that, A few days back I made a post here about Dan's comments about his meeting with JKR. you can read it here.

He says, 'Jo came down to the set at one point and I said, "Oh hello, why are you here today?" And she said, "Oh I just needed a break from the book - Dumbledore's giving me a lot of trouble." And I said, "But isn't he dead?" And she said, "Well, yeah, but it's more complex ..." I was like, [briskly] "OK, I'm not gonna ask anything else!"'

Please note here that she says Dumbledore not Albus. What I mean to say here is we already know that there are two Dumbledores in the books not one, namely Albus [whom we know (and sum presume😛) to be dead.] and secondly Aberforth his brother.

Do you people think that the hooplah some fan-sites have made over Albus' return be entirely baseless. I mean she could be referring to any of the two, not necessarily Albus.

I too am an eternal Dumby Fan (do I need to say this ppl, just look at my nic.) and I too would give anything in this world to make JKR bring him back, but this is just a thought that crossed my mind and I thought I should discuss it with you all.

So let your theories come in......

Scratch your grey matter and think.... and do post back....

Tejas

P.S: to the mods, if older versions of this topic are still there please delete the old ones 😃 as a personal favor to your old friend dumby.😛

Aww..cool!!! Theories...gotta love them! 😳 Great topic dumby! 😉

Well, what I thought when I read Dan's reply was that JKR might not be referring to Dumbledore's return from the dead. She might be talking about Aberforth..

But, Dumbledore still has many mysteries about him and I bet that Harry and friends will discover them in DH. He could be speaking from the grave and be teaching Harry things which he couldn't as he was murdered. I feel that we don't know everything about the Horcruxes yet...there's still some new spin remaining about Voldemort's soul-pieces.

hey yeah ur right!! nice topic 😉
well it could refer to any of the d'dores...we havnt heard much abt aberforth so its fully possible tht jo makes him a prominent part of DH [since she lyks surprising us!]
hey can i make a list of qs to discuss? 😃 any1 who wants can add to it 😉

will put it up in a sec w8 😃

Some prominent qs everyone is asking 😉:

1)Will Harry die? Or Voldemort?

2)Is anyone coming back to life? In particular, Dumbledore/Sirius?

3)Who is RAB?

4)Who are the pairs in Book 7? 😆

5)Is Snape innocent?

6) What is Petunia hiding?

7) What, finally, is the complete history of Harry's parents, and all ancestors?

8) What are the remaining Horcruxes?

9) What does the title-Dathly Hallows-refer to?

well those are the qs which everyone is asking..i also thought of one which not too many ppl are asking...

10) The prophecy mentions that the one with the power to defeat Voldemort will be born to parents who "thrice defied the Dark Lord"...Dumbledore also mentioned that this could refer to both the Longbottoms and the Potters...well then, how did the Potters n Longbottoms "thrice defy" Voldemort?

these r all i cud think of 😆 whoever wants can add to the list 😉
n yeah i think we should make it a point to ask senseless questions...bcos jkr cud surprise us wit nethin 😉
so one senseless q i cud think of was.....

Why is the bloody baron bloody? 😆

well in a way it makes sense..considering deathly hallows is the title n ghosts r,well,dead 😆 besides the baron has defnitly been one of the less mentioned ghosts 😉 but they never mention why hes bloody 😆 so mebbe he cud b imprtant in this book? 😕 or,for tht matter,ne other ghosts??

if ne1 can think of such wacky qs also they can post 😉😃

Key: DD - Albus Dumbledore not Aberforth

My foremost theory is - DD is not dead.

DD's not dead. I can't lie; Rowling caught me - hook, line sinker the first time I read HBP. My HBP copy got wet because I cried too much after DD's "death" and what hurt a loyal Snape fan like me was - he murdered DD. I BELIEVED her. Now it seems too foolish. I mean sure a poison that strong can weaken anyone - anyone normal. DD cannot be considered normal. His thinking skills shine beyond his own knowledge. It's quite obvious that DD would know what was inside the cave, how it functioned even before he went in with Harry. He's bound to know it. His ability at problem solving goes far beyond any normal witches' or wizards' ever has or ever will. He is a quick thinker and knows what he is going to get himself into. A wizard like Dumbledore killed by a mere poison when a wizard like Ron survived poison? Come on. That's BOUND to raise some eyebrows. And even if he's dead, I refuse to accept that he will not comeback. When he tells Draco atop the tower to come over to the good side and Draco states that LV will kill him. DD says something that makes enormous sense to me. "They can't kill you if you're already dead" meaning DD knows a way to comeback even after his death. And when talking about a wizard like DD, the probability isn't very unlikely. Then some of the following things aroused suspicions:

DD froze Harry so he could bear witness to his "death" not because he wanted Harry to be safe - Harry was already hidden from the attackers and in no harm. DD will make everyone believe Draco's dead. (see They can't kill you point) Fawkes doesn't try to save DD this time (This has to be the biggest one! F saved Harry on DD's order - which proves his loyalty to DD. And him not healing DD sounds like a very un-Fawkes thing) If Fawkes saved DD in OOTP, it's very suspicious why he didn't make an effort to save DD now. DD flies into the air when Snape "curses" him with Avada Kedavra. The effect of AK curse is simply killing. You do not "fly" into the air. Expelliarmus creates that effect (See POA when Harry & Co. curse Snape with the disarming charm.) Snape never wanted to kill DD on the several chances he had. He could've killed DD on one of DD's trip in and out the castle and no one would've known but he didn't do it - why? Cuz he didn't want to. Also, Snape could never curse DD with the AK curse and make it work. And like Moody said "Avada Kedavra's a curse that needs a powerful bit of magic behind it -- you could all get your wands out now and point them at me and say the words, and I doubt I'd get so much as a nosebleed." and Snape didn't really HATE DD. I refuse to believe it. DD gave him work. He was the only one who TRULY believed Snape had reformed - standing against one and all. You cannot feel sudden urge of hatred towards one who's done so many favors for you. DD's wand is missing. Suspicious, no? Dumbledore's "body" is covered up at his "funeral". As some Christians believe, you never wrap up the body. You place it as is in the coffin. Wrapping is considered a bad omen. Also no body = no crime. Very very suspicious...
• I am uncertain whether this is true or untrue but I do believe that the DD during HBP wasn't really DD – a replica, perhaps? Why I say this? During GoF, DD shows Harry a memory by extracting it from his temple – same holds for Snape in OOTP but in HBP the DD has to use the Pensieve to show Harry the memories. Why? Because he isn't DD. DD wasn't there for a huge portion of the book, I believe. It's either his inferi or a phoenix. Why a phoenix? Because DD's body caught fire after it was placed in the tomb. And from what we've known, Phoenixes burn to ashes. Pieces of a jigsaw puzzle fit with certain weirdness. There isn't any proof sadly to prove this theory right or wrong.

Second: Snape's always been loyal to DD.

Call me biased if you want, but I repudiate to believe that Snape has a split persona. He has loved Lily and remains loyal to DD. Reasons why I refuse to believe Snape is not loyal to DD:

Snape's lied to Narcissa and Bella. In spinner's end, Snape says that Harry "had no extraordinary talent at all". Snape KNOWS Harry can conjure a patronus at the age of 13, which is very very extraordinary. He knows Harry's a parselmouth - another extraordinary talent. He knows Harry stood up against LV and escaped - FIVE TIMES. No small feat - extraordinary talent. What he said was a LIE. He tells Bella and Narcissa that he knows LV's plan and she must not speak of it - yea, he's lying again. He doesn't know the plan. And knowing what a great Legilimens Snape is thanks to OOTP, he got to know of the problem as it must've been the topmost thing on Narcissa's mind - not Bella. Bella is a skilled occlumens but Narcissa had an emotional blow in her life and she is worried Draco might die - even if she is a skilled occlumens, she won't use Occlumency because LV trusts Snape. Snape takes the "window" moment and sees what LV's plans are. He isn't as loyal to LV as he'd like Narcissa, Bella and us to believe. Hagrid's overhearing Snape telling DD that he (DD) took too much for granted. And that Snape wasn't willing to do "it". This means that Snape is acting on DD's orders. It also confirms that DD has a plan which involves Snape doing something he'd hate to do. For instance - killing DD. DADA teacher don't last more than a year - Probably the very reason why DD didn't give the job to Snape. DD knows that every time he appointed a DADA teacher - the teacher didn't last more than a year. He never intended Snape to last more than a year - meaning his plans to flee with Snape "killing" him at the end of the year was already in place. Snape knew Harry had his copy of Advanced-Potion making along with his notes (which I'm 99.9% certain is Lily's work!). Also if you read line 524 of the US edition - Harry suddenly became dizzy for a minute or two and as much as he tried to hide the HBP's copy of Potion making - it swam up making it his topmost worry. Ye know what that means - Snape's Legilimency's at work again. Harry brings him Ron's copy and Snape, well aware that Harry has his copy, lets it slide by when he can put Harry in so much trouble. He remembered who he was working for and let it slide by. This only means one thing – Snape is working on DD's order.
• Harry felt repulsed of himself for making DD drink that potion. DD pleaded with Harry to make him drink that potion – just the way DD pleaded with Snape to kill him. Surprise surprise. Snape repulsed himself for killing DD but on DD's pleading – he was forced to kill him. If DD was asking Snape not to kill him – let's go back to the very first book where at the Hospital Wing DD tells Harry that "After all, to the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure." Honestly, does that sound like someone who wouldn't want to die if death came upon them? Proves that FYI, Snape's loyal to DD.

Snape wasn't hiding under an invisibility cloak the night the Potters were murdered but it was most certainly him who tipped DD off that LV was after the Potters. Yes, I believe he loved Lily – why else would he have Lily's recipe in his textbooks? I also believe it was truly Lily's talent in the HBP's potion book – why else would Slughorn mention Lily every time Harry excelled at potions?

Anu

whooooaaa!
hi anu,did u rite tht all by urself 😲 then first of all congo,uve done a real good analysis 😉
well my views r:
i bliv d'dore is dead bcos even though hes my fav character in hp[along with sirius] jkr has confirmed hes dead n she would directly lie to us!!

even i 100% bliv snape is innocent 😉 i never doubted it for a sec...infact after reading hbp and logging online n i saw so many ppl being angry abt snape,i thought "ohh im suposed to be angry at snape?" 😲😆...ive never ever blived hes evil..n i m toooooooooooooo curious abt snapes past n why d'dore decided to trust him 😉 wich is one of the reasons y im so anxious for book 7 to cum out 😭

oh yeah n on ur other point>>i dont think snape loved lily 😕 well he may have but the thought just disgusts me 😆 i mean i dont hate snape or nethin but still....james n lily r a pair n i dont want ne1 to cum in btwin them 😆
as for the notes in snapes books being lilys>>i dont think so! i think they were snapes only n lily just hapend to be another student who was good at potions! in book 1 we learn tht lilys wand was specially designed for charms so we kno tht charms is her speciality...and potions could just be another subject shes good at....n yeah quite a few of the spells in hbp's book are curses and stuff...do u honestly bliv lily wud be the inventor of the sectumsempra and levicorpus curse? esp after the way she reacted to james using it on snape in the book 5 memory!!
so no,i think snape[the HBP] was the one who invented the spells n potion tricks 😉

Originally posted by: mz.seductive

Key: DD - Albus Dumbledore not Aberforth

My foremost theory is - DD is not dead.

DD's not dead. I can't lie; Rowling caught me - hook, line sinker the first time I read HBP. My HBP copy got wet because I cried too much after DD's "death" and what hurt a loyal Snape fan like me was - he murdered DD. I BELIEVED her. Now it seems too foolish. I mean sure a poison that strong can weaken anyone - anyone normal. DD cannot be considered normal. His thinking skills shine beyond his own knowledge. It's quite obvious that DD would know what was inside the cave, how it functioned even before he went in with Harry. He's bound to know it. His ability at problem solving goes far beyond any normal witches' or wizards' ever has or ever will. He is a quick thinker and knows what he is going to get himself into. A wizard like Dumbledore killed by a mere poison when a wizard like Ron survived poison? Come on. That's BOUND to raise some eyebrows. And even if he's dead, I refuse to accept that he will not comeback. When he tells Draco atop the tower to come over to the good side and Draco states that LV will kill him. DD says something that makes enormous sense to me. "They can't kill you if you're already dead" meaning DD knows a way to comeback even after his death. And when talking about a wizard like DD, the probability isn't very unlikely. Then some of the following things aroused suspicions:

• DD froze Harry so he could bear witness to his "death" not because he wanted Harry to be safe - Harry was already hidden from the attackers and in no harm.
• DD will make everyone believe Draco's dead. (see They can't kill you point)
• Fawkes doesn't try to save DD this time (This has to be the biggest one! F saved Harry on DD's order - which proves his loyalty to DD. And him not healing DD sounds like a very un-Fawkes thing) If Fawkes saved DD in OOTP, it's very suspicious why he didn't make an effort to save DD now.
• DD flies into the air when Snape "curses" him with Avada Kedavra. The effect of AK curse is simply killing. You do not "fly" into the air. Expelliarmus creates that effect (See POA when Harry & Co. curse Snape with the disarming charm.)
• Snape never wanted to kill DD on the several chances he had. He could've killed DD on one of DD's trip in and out the castle and no one would've known but he didn't do it - why? Cuz he didn't want to. Also, Snape could never curse DD with the AK curse and make it work. And like Moody said "Avada Kedavra's a curse that needs a powerful bit of magic behind it -- you could all get your wands out now and point them at me and say the words, and I doubt I'd get so much as a nosebleed." and Snape didn't really HATE DD. I refuse to believe it. DD gave him work. He was the only one who TRULY believed Snape had reformed - standing against one and all. You cannot feel sudden urge of hatred towards one who's done so many favors for you.
• DD's wand is missing. Suspicious, no?
• Dumbledore's "body" is covered up at his "funeral". As some Christians believe, you never wrap up the body. You place it as is in the coffin. Wrapping is considered a bad omen. Also no body = no crime. Very very suspicious...
• I am uncertain whether this is true or untrue but I do believe that the DD during HBP wasn't really DD – a replica, perhaps? Why I say this? During GoF, DD shows Harry a memory by extracting it from his temple – same holds for Snape in OOTP but in HBP the DD has to use the Pensieve to show Harry the memories. Why? Because he isn't DD. DD wasn't there for a huge portion of the book, I believe. It's either his inferi or a phoenix. Why a phoenix? Because DD's body caught fire after it was placed in the tomb. And from what we've known, Phoenixes burn to ashes. Pieces of a jigsaw puzzle fit with certain weirdness. There isn't any proof sadly to prove this theory right or wrong.

Second: Snape's always been loyal to DD.

Call me biased if you want, but I repudiate to believe that Snape has a split persona. He has loved Lily and remains loyal to DD. Reasons why I refuse to believe Snape is not loyal to DD:

• Snape knew Harry had his copy of Advanced-Potion making along with his notes (which I'm 99.9% certain is Lily's work!). Also if you read line 524 of the US edition - Harry suddenly became dizzy for a minute or two and as much as he tried to hide the HBP's copy of Potion making - it swam up making it his topmost worry. Ye know what that means - Snape's Legilimency's at work again. Harry brings him Ron's copy and Snape, well aware that Harry has his copy, lets it slide by when he can put Harry in so much trouble. He remembered who he was working for and let it slide by. This only means one thing – Snape is working on DD's order.

Snape wasn't hiding under an invisibility cloak the night the Potters were murdered but it was most certainly him who tipped DD off that LV was after the Potters. Yes, I believe he loved Lily – why else would he have Lily's recipe in his textbooks? I also believe it was truly Lily's talent in the HBP's potion book – why else would Slughorn mention Lily every time Harry excelled at potions?

Anu

Great, nice theory....

However...there r some loop-holes...
You say Ron survived the poison...n tht was coz he was given the bezoar plus some speedy treatment in the Hospital Wing. Dumbledore and Harry were alone in the cave(unless you count the inferi) and Harry's no expert at healing. Plus...that potion wasn't a poison...I think it acted like Dememtors do..making u relive ur worst memories.

Abt the Avada Kedavra...well...
It is the will power u put behind every spell or curse or hex u use that decides the power of the curse. The Disarming spell just disarms when you just say "Expelliarmus"..for eg. the DA when Harry was teaching the kids...u didn't see ppl flying around due to the expelliarmus, did u?
But when Harry, Ron and Hermione used the spell together on Snape in PoA, their combined effect gave more power to d spell n hence Snape was blasted back. Same with the AK, I believe. Snape must have been using some pretty strong emotion when he was using the AK n tht's proved when he shouts back at Harry,"Don't call me a COWARD". Now whether Snape is good or bad..I'm not entering into that debate right now but he was using some pretty big will power. Hence DD was blasted back.

About Lily and Snape: I'm sorry...but what canon evidence is there that Snape was in love with Lily??? There is none to suggest such an eventuality. Snape called Lily a Mudblood...what a way to express true love. I knoe d theory abt Snape loving Lily on the inside but abusing her on d outside...but tht just reminds of of Ekta Kapoor soaps😆

I agree with Niyu abt Lily not inventing any of the spells in the HBP book coz let's face it..the spells r nasty n Lilykins is so goody-two shoes😉
Slughorn loves people with a lot of talent n power n Lily was all of those. She was one the popular girls in Hogwarts(acc. to JKR) n Head Girl n I guess she was a bit like Hermione in studies---good at almost everything. It's not tht hard to see tht Lilykins might be great at both charms n potions.

About the Pensieve bit, I hope u hv read d chapter in GoF called as "The Pensieve". If I remember correctly, Harry fell into DD's Pensieve n saw DD's memories of the diff. trials. Then DD showed him Bertha Jorkins whose face came out from the Pensieve but her feet were still inside it. So wht u wrot doesen't make any sense. DD used the pensieve both in GoF and in HBP and also in OotP.

Plus..I don't think tht the inferi can do complicated actions like talking n pretending to be like DD. They have this lifeless look in their eyes which an't fool anybody. And do you really think Dumbledore of ALL people would use inferi??? That's dark magic n DD hates it.

N I don't think tht phoenixes r shape-shifters to hv a phoenix take d place of DD in HBP.

As for the funeral...abt DD's body being wrapped...well...we dunno the wizarding customs n it's quite likely tht wizarding customs during such events r different lil bit here n there from muggle ones. Just like the wizarding Father Christmases r different from Muggle ones(Ron will tell u tht😉)

That's a good pick... and sure it could be Aberforth that she was talking about but looking at Dumbledore's character and how it's totally surrounded by mysteries, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he is still alive and makes an appearance in the seventh book!