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Posted: 19 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: majumdar

Priyanka,

(This is a very sensitive imaginary situation-What iftti was Bani who had conceived out of marriage, what if she had been raped or drugged,would she have given up on the child she conceived from that incident?)

I had in fact put something on this line on MT's POV post. (I will PM the scenario to you. Maybe u can comment on that.) And tried to draw parallels with JW. The general comment quite rightly was that people would have difficulty sympathising with JW because of preconceived notions about males and females.

There is something more. bani has secured Nattu's rights in the Walia family and WM, wouldn't it look hypocritical on her part to deny that to Karan?

Rgds,

Pri

You have drawn a every interesting comparison.It lead me back to the PR fiasco . When it was Rannvijay Chopra's wife everything was fine with Bani but when victim turned out to be KD, her hatred and anger knew no boundary for JW. It ws easier for her to shove Nachiket down JW's throat but when the same is happening to her, she is all cold to him, why? Barnali was just as evil , she killed UW when he tried to leave her, Pia did the same, she played her game well when she saw that JW was slipping out of her hands. The only difference was that UW loved Barnali once and Jai never loved Pia.
If Nattu is innocent why is Pia's child at fault

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: mahimn

You have drawn a every interesting comparison.It lead me back to the PR fiasco . When it was Rannvijay Chopra's wife everything was fine with Bani but when victim turned out to be KD, her hatred and anger knew no boundary for JW. It ws easier for her to shove Nachiket down JW's throat but when the same is happening to her, she is all cold to him, why? Barnali was just as evil , she killed UW when he tried to leave her, Pia did the same, she played her game well when she saw that JW was slipping out of her hands. The only difference was that UW loved Barnali once and Jai never loved Pia.
If Nattu is innocent why is Pia's child at fault

Only goes to prove that we always, almost have different parameters for ourself and for others!

As long as Bani and her Family wasn't involved, she could accept a 'Murderer' in JW, since he has only accidentally killed Ranvijay Chopra's Wife!

But as soon as she came to know that the Victim in question was her own Mother, the entire scenario changed! (Though the set-up was the same, Bani was always aware that it was nothing but an 'Accident' yet because the name of the Victim happened to be Kiran Dixit and not Mrs. Ranvijay Chopra, the Tables turned!)

Similarly, while Bani might have gone all out to help get Nachiket his legal and emotional right over Walia Family, she can't even stand the fact that her Husband dared to give the rights of his Fatherhood to some other Woman's child (Even if it is her own sister in question!) Simply because Nachiket happened to be the illegitimate son of Uday Chopra, a man who has no bearing over her life, but Pia's child will be the illegitimate heir of JW, her legally and lawfully wedded husband, the man whom she loves and lives with!

I won't call it hypocrisy, its a natural, human reaction! Only goes to prove that Bani is just about as normal, selfish and self-protective as all human beings! She is willing to go out of her way to help others as long as it doesn't hurt her self-interests, but like any of us, she obviously is grieved and pained, when her own happiness is at stake!

Cheers,

MT

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Posted: 19 years ago
#23
Priyanka,

(But I believe that JW is just as bad as Bani in his parenting skills.)

No, Jigs would be about 40 and for half that life, she has been married to Adi, who is her natural guardian as per legal and ethical standpoint. JW was her guardian for only a few years, b/w death of their dad and Mom and her marriage.

(think Bani trusts J far more than she will admit to.)

In some ways you are right. But consider this, at one point of time, she was almost convinced that JW was cheating on her but when she saw Pia's picture she got convinced that JW was innocent. So why pretend that she trusts JW more than Pia.

Besides, if she really trusted JW why keep the divorce-alimony-miscarriage fiasco from him pre-ONS. Did she have any reason to believe that JW would not co-operate her on the divorce angle to save his estate.

And yet we have to pretend that bani has always trusted JW.

(nd JW needs to woo Bani because she, at the end of the day makes him happy....)

That's the sad part. It is always JW who has to carry the cross and pay for his sins, while St. Bani and St. Billo will get away scotfree for their crimes.

(she has to handle more than the average 24yr old, )

Isn't it cos she has chosen to do so? Who asked her to leave JW after PR raaz, who asked her to save JW's estate without taking advice from JW or Tarun or Adi. So why blame others if she has fallen flat on her own face.

(but look at the difference between them in age, experience and exposure.......)

Absolutely. But why didn't Bani see that during the divorce-alimony fiasco. Why did St. Bani and St. Billo see him as a Munna to be saved and not as a mature man who could be trusted.

Rgds,

Pri



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Posted: 19 years ago
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MT,

(Bani can very well keep her child away from Jai if she wants and he can't do a thing about it, even with all his money. )

Now she has more money than JW.

(either JW will renounce Bani and the Baby and just vanish somewhere )

Aapke muh mein ghee shakkar.

(Its like he is almost scared of mentioning about the Baby, incase he ends up inviting her wrath over it again!)

And re-starting an old IF debate.

(whether Bani should or should not deny Jai's right over the child, it is really her prerogative!)

Does the child have any say in the matter. 😕

( If she feels that her child is better off without a Father who will give love, security and stability to the child, then so be it!)

Ok with me too, as long as Bani later does not blame JW for it.

(Bani will finally get to see what life if without JW in it to protect and love her!)

For eg shouting Tarun, Tarun when the batti goes gul in WM.

(Only goes to prove that Bani is just about as normal, selfish and self-protective as all human beings!)

Which is perfectly right with me as long as she does not call herself St. Bani. 😉

(Only goes to prove that we always, almost have different parameters for ourself and for others!)

True incidentally for JW too. With the diff that (sometimes) JW sets harsher standards for himself than for others. With Bani usually the other way round.

Rgds,

Pri


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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: majumdar



(whether Bani should or should not deny Jai's right over the child, it is really her prerogative!)

Does the child have any say in the matter. 😕

The child in question is a new-born!

Krishna will be the first one to question her Mother on the whereabouts of her Father the day she starts understanding the World!

But till then, the child has no say on whom she wants to live with! (Have you been following the case of Molly who had challenged the British High Court's order which gave her custody to the Mother, her lawyers fought the case on her behalf, not even her Father's and she won it! She is now with her Father! The girl is only 12 years old, but the Court observed that if the child is wise enough to make a choice between her Parents, then no one has the right to take that choice from her!)

( If she feels that her child is better off without a Father who will give love, security and stability to the child, then so be it!)

Ok with me too, as long as Bani later does not blame JW for it.

Oh, that she will, surely! When Krishna questions her, she will never say that it was her choice of keeping the child and Father away, she will only say that her Father left her to be with someone else! (Ok, here I am being a tad bit unfair, Bani will prolly just cry, cry and cry, till Krishna feels guilty as hell and promises to never ask this question again)

(Bani will finally get to see what life if without JW in it to protect and love her!)

For eg shouting Tarun, Tarun when the batti goes gul in WM.

I wish JW goes away from WM....Bani will be the first one to sit in her Bedroom and mourn for him and then try and find ways to get him back to the Torture Chamber! I think TS has gone out of the picture as of now!

(Only goes to prove that Bani is just about as normal, selfish and self-protective as all human beings!)

Which is perfectly right with me as long as she does not call herself St. Bani. 😉

She really doesn't call herself St. Bani, it is the likes of St. Billo and Others who call her that and well, she never corrects them!😆

(Only goes to prove that we always, almost have different parameters for ourself and for others!)

True incidentally for JW too. With the diff that (sometimes) JW sets harsher standards for himself than for others. With Bani usually the other way round.

Once again, it is JW's choice if he sets tough standards for himself. One of the many reasons why despite KS being an Ekta Soap, has a Male Lead as the Central Protogonist and enjoys far more popularity than Bani and the rest of the gang combined😃 JW / RK have to pay a price for that, right?😉

Rgds,

Pri


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Posted: 19 years ago
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MT,

(then try and find ways to get him back to the Torture Chamber!)

😆 😆 😆

So true.

(I think TS has gone out of the picture as of now!)

Both TS and PS- TS can't stand JW hovering 24*7 around his flame, PS cos he cant stand being reduced to acting the role of a "Skunk".

(JW / RK have to pay a price for that)

Only JW, not RK. As I have said earlier, JW has to pay the price of flirting with the Dixit sisters.

Rgds,

Pri


mistletoe thumbnail
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: majumdar

MT,

(then try and find ways to get him back to the Torture Chamber!)

😆 😆 😆

So true.

(I think TS has gone out of the picture as of now!)

Both TS and PS- TS can't stand JW hovering 24*7 around his flame, PS cos he cant stand being reduced to acting the role of a "Skunk".

Pawan rues the day he landed in KS😆 From what I hear, he simply hates the way his role has been handled, no wonder he looks so Skunky as Tarun Sablok😆

(JW / RK have to pay a price for that)

Only JW, not RK. As I have said earlier, JW has to pay the price of flirting with the Dixit sisters.

Yeah, JW has to pay the price of falling in lust with one and falling in love with the other

Rgds,

Pri


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