Narayan and laxmi missing....??

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Posted: 12 years ago
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when i watched jai hanuman,jai jai bhajraghbhai(saharaone) and ramayan show,there narayan and laxmi were present at shreesagar when both of them took Ram and Sita avatar on earth,but in DKDMD both narayan and laxmi are missing...why??

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Actually, Vishnu / Lakshmi should not be shown in Vaikunth / Ksheersagar during Rama Avatar.
There are different opinions on Vaikunth was actually vacated during Ramavatar. Some claim all avatars are part manifestations, so Vishnu never actually left Vaikunth .

But if I have understood Valmiki Ramayan correctly, Vishnu did leave Vaikunth for his sojourn on Earth. In the Uttara Khanda during his conversation with Time / Kala, Kala given Rama Brahma's message, in which Brahma mentions that Vishnu had decided to stay on Earth for 11000 years - which had elapsed.

Rama too acknowledges that his work on Earth is over and he was keen to return to his abode.

Such a remark would have been redundant, had Vishnu never left Vaikunth.

I am recollecting this from memory. I don't have the original with me right now. Corrections most welcome.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Varalli you are right this convo aith kaal did happen the way you narrated. But a universe without its preserver seems a bit difficult to digest
Can't this convo mean that bramha was sending message for sagun form of The Lord to his original form the nirgun form?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nandiniraizaada

Varalli you are right this convo aith kaal did happen the way you narrated. But a universe without its preserver seems a bit difficult to digest

Can't this convo mean that bramha was sending message for sagun form of The Lord to his original form the nirgun form?


Possible. The Nirgun form of the Lord stayed in Vaikunth, while the sagun form manifested itself on Earth. But even in that case, the serials cannot show Vishnu in Vaikunth / Ksheersagar and Rama on Earth at the same time.

And the universe was not without its preserver,as you say. The preserver was present on Earth in a human form.

Because I also remember in that conversation between Kaala and Rama, Brahma asks Rama to continue staying on Earth, if He wanted to protect the living beings for sometime more.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Also it is said that lord is omnipresent. In today's episode also mahadev tells everyone that when I was gone was I really gone? till you are breathing I am in you and when you stop breathing you are in me
So The Lord is every where present in the nirgun form so he has to be present in vaikundha in nirgun form too. But yes the sagun form cannot be present in two places I guess



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Posted: 12 years ago
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I agree w/ Varaali, and disagree w/ everyone who says that Narayan/Lakshmi were there in Vaikuntha at the same time that Rama/Sita or Krishna/Rukmini were on earth - for the reasons she described above. It should also be noted that it's only in recent serials that they've started showing Vishnu/Lakshmi in Vaikuntha at the same time that Rama/Sita or Krishna/Rukmini are there on earth. Traditionally, they'd show or enact it correctly, and somewhat imply the divinity of the latter by having the same actors play them - although in RS Ramayan, I doubt that Govil played Vishnu, and in BRC Mahabharata & RS-SK, there was no Vishnu in those 2. In DkDM, they did have SRJ play Rama during Sati's era, but only changed to Piyush due to SRJ taking up the Mahabharata gig.

The Narayan & Mahadev avatars can't be equated, given that it was always a Rudransh that came up, whether it was Jalandhar, Hanuman or anyone else in Mahadev's case. Hanuman, for instance, was said to have been born of one of his limbs. In the case of Narayan's avatars, except Parashurama, Narayan completely took those forms, did his jobs and left.

However, the reason for the confusion here is DkDM making a total mess of the timelines. Ravan, Vali, Hanuman all were there for ages - somewhere in the start or middle of the Treta Yuga (actually, if the story of Vali getting Tara from the Samudra Manthan holds true, they may well have existed from the Satya Yuga). So during that time, Narayan was always either in Vaikuntha itself, or going through his avatars - Kurma to Parashurama. So in serials, when they show Narayan witnessing events like Hanuman's attempt to eat the sun, or Ravan's activities, they are right, given that those things happened long before Rama was born.

In the Andhak story too, Vishnu played a peripheral role, so had they sequenced this correctly, or not tried to include Ramayan, they'd have been able to show that. However, I don't miss Vishnu in DkDM - I found his & Narada's commentary very distracting and annoying. I just want to see him in events where he played a major role - such as the Samudra Manthan and so on.
Edited by .Vrish. - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@vrish
please mention the peripheral role played by narayan during Anthak story.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: varaali


Possible. The Nirgun form of the Lord stayed in Vaikunth, while the sagun form manifested itself on Earth. But even in that case, the serials cannot show Vishnu in Vaikunth / Ksheersagar and Rama on Earth at the same time.

And the universe was not without its preserver,as you say. The preserver was present on Earth in a human form.

Because I also remember in that conversation between Kaala and Rama, Brahma asks Rama to continue staying on Earth, if He wanted to protect the living beings for sometime more.

Although Valmiki Ramayan says differently, I too find it very hard to digest that Vishnu simply left Vaikunta for his incarnations. Simple reason is that he did not need to. His mere ansh had more than enough power to destroy all evil. Personally, I don't believe even Valmiki wrote this. I strongly believe it has been the wrong interpretation by people who translated the original epic throughout the age. Everything in Valmiki Ramayan may not be 100% true. It was written way back in the treta yuga, and throughout all those years since, it has been passed through many hands. Many stories in today's "Valmiki Ramayan" are highly debatable, and if scholars can debate such incidents as Sita's agni pariksha and second exile, as well as Rama killing the Shudra Shambuka, then even this issue of Vishnu "leaving" Vaikunta can be debatable.
The Upanishads' praise of Lord Vishnu explicitly say that he never left Vaikunta. He dwells everywhere in the universe and Vaikunta was only one of the many resting places of the Lord. Occasionally his ansh left for Earth to destroy evil and preserve good, but to think of God leaving one place in the universe for another is totally inaccurate IMO.
Edited by JanakiRaghunath - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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The thought of Lord Vishnu, who is formless and all pervading, leaving one place and going to another is quite absurd. He exists everywhere in all forms. It is only when we think of Vishnu with a human body, wielding the shankha, chakra, and gadha, and sleeping on Seshnaag, do we think of a God with form. But in actuality, Vishnu had no form. Never did he leave Vaikunta, nor did he enter or leave Earth. He has the ability to dwell in many places at the same time. The best example of this is Prahlada's story. Prahlada told his father that his Hari was everything, in all shape and form. He is in the air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat. Vishnu needs no form, but he has given humans a multiple number of forms to guide them on the right path.
Personally, I do not believe Vishnu ever left Vaikunta. To say he "left" and "came" somewhere is to make him human. What then makes God different from humans? He is everywhere in this universe at all times. Neither does he leave, nor does he come.
TV shows and movies can show what they want, and audience can either accept it or disagree, but it is definitely not inaccurate if Vishnu is shown in Vaikunta during Ram avatar and Krishna avatar. It may be unacceptable to some people on the basis of one purana or another, but many other scriptures paint a very different picture of Lord Vishnu who is formless and all pervading. Such a Vishnu can never leave or come anywhere. He is God, not human.
Edited by JanakiRaghunath - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Nice explanation Janaki. Good to read different points of view.

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