Episode 301 Discussion: 18th June 2013

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cardio21

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Posted: 12 years ago

#51

Originally posted by: _charu_
Kashish, can you plz enlighten us..does Meera exhibit pagalpan wale symptoms? 😕

Charu! It's as clunky as ever, will write about it later in the evening. Dint want to say anything about it, but this was as clunky as ever.

I won't say sh is pretending but to make us sympathize with bhai, they have done big big bloopers..

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cardio21

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Posted: 12 years ago

#52

Originally posted by: ClosetRomantic

Thanks a lot for this review Shri! Made me realise a lot of things that I missed first in the Rishbala haze and then in my impatience with the Sultan scenes.

Bold - That is exactly my problem with Madhu. The way she switches off from one relationship when the other relationship becomes her priority. I kept ranting about Madhu totally ignoring her family during the wedding preparations. And yesterday when Radhaji announced that she was planning to move to Delhi for a few months, Madhu's reaction was like she was talking about going for a week.

Why did she need to ask 'kya hua RK?'. Does she not understand herself that Radhaji is one of the only two people he cares about? And her going away for months would pain him?

It is the same when she takes up a new issue too. When she took on RK in the beginning, she didn't even consider that he is the ruling king of the industry from which her whole family earns its livelihood. When she fell in love with Aryan on the rebound from RK, she didn't consider the safety of her family or the chawl people before bringing home a gangster involved in a raging gang war. And when she got RK back, she forgot Aryan in an instant. It is this trait of hers that is scaring me big time in this new track.

blacklambo, good to see you back 😊

CR! Madhu was about to raise a concern when Rf mentioned abt her decision.but RK interfered and over reacted. So then she just focused on RK. She was asking him to listen to her standpoint.

And she does crazy things, goes on social misadventures.

But she prioritizes RK over others. If she didnt care for her wn mom, why would she go crazy fover RJ who is amiably planning to go to Delhi for 3-4 mths. She is enjoying her bliss with RK. She usually doesn't hold on people, the way RK does.

She understood that RK doesn't want Rj to leave, but couldn't see why he was getting so hyper. She was totally in character.

And aryan was her distraction but still it was to distract herself from RK. I used to laugh when bhai fans were thinking about the bonds formed between them, but there was none actually. It's Madhu's nature to go crazy helping people, but once she got back with RK, it was all about him again. I won't call it selfishness. She was not bound to Aryan! He was just a means of displacement for her. She has sympathy for people, but a human inherent nature should be selfish. In fact I was very confused tat how could she see beyond RK in Holi incident.

If they keep her in character, she would never be against RK altogether, she might give stupid arguments for bhai n Meera in her usual misadventure style, but will never actually side with the real wack job n his mom. Else I don't know what the CVs show. But th sight of an emotionally broken RK is enuf for Madhu to forget the rest of the world. She is hopelessly in love and CVs will be crazy if they show her siding with bhai.

We know that RK is insecure! If we have accepted him with all his insecurities, we have to accept Madhu with her navety. But I trust her tunnel vision when she is around RK.

Madhu is not vocal about it like RK, but he is also her oxygen, it's just that she accommodates better than RK, else the level of craziness is same.

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#53

The time is past for us to call RK insecure. He has moved on from being an insecure guy at a drop's hat to becoming a defensive guy who is able to verbalize why he needs to defend.

He has changed from being the Right Kameena to becoming a family person, who on the very first day gave choice to his wife as to what she wants to do with pests living in his house. Earlier he used to tend them to keep his mother happy and used to say, I think of you as furniture and roaches. Now when his wife wanted to keep them, he set the record straight as them being his brother and Bhabhi.

I would wish RK to do his BBBing of Dips by adding Bhabhi to keep in mind what he did on return to RK Mansion after wedding. The CVs can accomodate the change in tune with BBBing needed as comic relief through RK-Dips-Sikky drama.

They have shown a lot of character changes for RK. There has been a growth.

Likewise, growth of character for Madhubala is imperative. We cannot be just explained. Madhu is all in her character when she behaves like this. Every individual with flaws has to grow if he or she remains protagonist. That is a dramatic principle. Likewise every perfect character like Maryada Purushottam Ram will have to be tested for his Maryada and Uttam-ta if he remains the protagonist. That is the dramatic principle.

Growth and Change are important for drama.

Right Kameena - We can notice changes

GHG - we can notice changes

Madhubala - We do not see changes except the fact in the very few seconds of her husband's outburst, she kinda had the inclination to be a peacemaker, a negotiator for Radhaji to convince RK to listen to his mom. This was on the table. It clears shows that Madhu still thinks RK as the person she had known...who is stubborn and forceful of his wishes. Why the equal panic against RK's outburst ? Wouldn't it have suited for Madhu to wait without dialoguebaazi and followed him to their room.

That table scene was to implant the seed of doubt and diffidence in audience that we can never be sure of what Madhu may think as right, wrong or understand. She will always try to protect people against RK's forceful emotions by calming him down, by becoming a shield for people through her voice raised to RK.

It works for RK because he trusts Madhu and he lets her rule him, fight him and do whatever she wishes. But where is the same amount of growth for Madhubala character...that she can blindly trust RK for not just about his love for her, but that RK and his thinking, dissimilar it might be to her thinking, nevertheless has a point and is not wrong as she thinks. As audience I still remember that Madhu has not even once accepted any mistake of hers before RK. She had just remained silent when RK shows her the mirror.

So where is my confidence level ? And this is where CVs as the dramatists have invested themselves. Now the thrill and surprise element is through Madhubala character. We will keep wondering how Madhu will react and at which point will Madhu see RK's pain too.

That's why the oft-repeated explanation that Madhu is in her character is not able to satisfy many. There was time when some people were very confident of RK character as to how it pans out and yet they could not voice it because of the simple reason, people are just audience and not the dramatists.

The title of the show also now changes.

Madhubala Ek Ishq is now through Rishabh Kundra

Madhubala Ek Junoon is now through Sultan

I am sure you will all agree at this point, there's no reason RK can become obsessive about Madhu now that he is married to Madhu and when his family's name is at stake through Sultan's allegations on MK-his father. He can turn obsessive when he is threatened about losing Madhu,

By making Sultan junooni now, the CVs have turned away from GHG being Ishquiya.

There was a time when RK called him an Aashik Pistolia (which does border on obsession) when he still was in Ishq phase. But RK is now going to see Sultan's rage as genuine Junooni person. Will RK also then become a junooni ? This is the question.

As Madhubala the plot itself, Madhu runs drama and never observes changes in others. She proclaims like an oracle and then lets the other character defend himself against her proclamation. This is how she runs by all characters around her. And that is why as audience, we too react at her inclinations. In the end everyone knows, the show is about what is it that Madhu will bless, who is she going to reward, who is she going endanger and why's around the same.

A friend of mine early in September last year, argued that "SD I understand you. But Madhu is most resolved character of the drama, so you will not see her growth". It was a disappointing one to accept like a bitter pill. Then I just explained to myself...fine...if this is the case, then let Madhu become Purushottam Ram, Odysseus of all epics of the world and let us give as many trials and tribulations for her and let's see if she gets past her exile, difficult journey which is supposed to be a journey of a hero.

So that's why as audience we are right to be watchful of Madhu's actions.

Some ardently trust her guts and instincts, where as people like me who has accepted her as flawed heroine but also a resolved hero, is wary about seeing drama around her flaws even as I know her as a hero that she will do the right thing.

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blacklambo

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Posted: 12 years ago

#54

Originally posted by: ClosetRomantic
blacklambo, good to see you back 😊

CR, thanks for the above 🤗

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ClosetRomantic

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Posted: 12 years ago

#55

Originally posted by: cardio21
CR! Madhu was about to raise a concern when Rf mentioned abt her decision.but RK interfered and over reacted. So then she just focused on RK. She was asking him to listen to her standpoint.
And she does crazy things, goes on social misadventures.
But she prioritizes RK over others. If she didnt care for her wn mom, why would she go crazy fover RJ who is amiably planning to go to Delhi for 3-4 mths. She is enjoying her bliss with RK. She usually doesn't hold on people, the way RK does.
She understood that RK doesn't want Rj to leave, but couldn't see why he was getting so hyper. She was totally in character.
And aryan was her distraction but still it was to distract herself from RK. I used to laugh when bhai fans were thinking about the bonds formed between them, but there was none actually. It's Madhu's nature to go crazy helping people, but once she got back with RK, it was all about him again. I won't call it selfishness. She was not bound to Aryan! He was just a means of displacement for her. She has sympathy for people, but a human inherent nature should be selfish. In fact I was very confused tat how could she see beyond RK in Holi incident.

If they keep her in character, she would never be against RK altogether, she might give stupid arguments for bhai n Meera in her usual misadventure style, but will never actually side with the real wack job n his mom. Else I don't know what the CVs show. But th sight of an emotionally broken RK is enuf for Madhu to forget the rest of the world. She is hopelessly in love and CVs will be crazy if they show her siding with bhai.

We know that RK is insecure! If we have accepted him with all his insecurities, we have to accept Madhu with her navety. But I trust her tunnel vision when she is around RK.
Madhu is not vocal about it like RK, but he is also her oxygen, it's just that she accommodates better than RK, else the level of craziness is same.

Yes, she was going to ask why when RK started speaking. But when he stopped she said, 'kuch hi maheeno ki hi to baat hai RK'. She treated it as a minor issue while for RK it was a matter of panic. It is not just about how RK feels about it, it is also about how she is perfectly okay with Radhaji suddenly going away for a few months.

Yes, RK is like oxygen to her and she will side with him whenever there is a danger of her losing him. But till the time she is secure in their relationship, she will continue going on her social misadventures. And there is a high possibility of Meera being her next social adventure.

About Aryan, I feel she used the little boy in a bad way. I had written about this earlier too how it is cruel to form a deep bond with a motherless child if you are not going to maintain it over a long period of time. She used Aryan to fill the empty place in her heart till RK returned to her, and then promptly forgot all about him. Just like she forgot how worried her mother has been over her returning to RK. At that time she had no concern for her health or feelings.

We have accepted both RK and Madhu as highly flawed people. Only Madhu never accepts that she has a flaw. Like Shri said, she has never acknowledged that she has made any mistakes. And she hasn't learnt from them either. RK, on the other hand, always acknowledges his mistakes, apologises for them, and learns from them.

Edited by ClosetRomantic - 12 years ago

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Charu

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Posted: 12 years ago

#56

Originally posted by: cardio21

CR! Madhu was about to raise a concern when Rf mentioned abt her decision.but RK interfered and over reacted. So then she just focused on RK. She was asking him to listen to her standpoint.

We know that RK is insecure! If we have accepted him with all his insecurities, we have to accept Madhu with her navety. But I trust her tunnel vision when she is around RK.
Madhu is not vocal about it like RK, but he is also her oxygen, it's just that she accommodates better than RK, else the level of craziness is same.

completely agree Kashish 👏 specially the lines in bold...if she didn't understand RK's outrage , doesn't mean she does not understand him or whatever...itni bhi badi problem nahi hai..who understands his obsessive nature better than her? it's not that RK always does the right thing..

@Shri, fab. post, i can see your point..ur bang on...i agree, she never admitted her mistakes..since the beginning, I'm against her stand for Sultan..and she could never justify it except for "main pagalpan karti rahoongi" statement...i hope, now she takes tackles this problem seriously... to glorify one Sultan , literally every character was butchered..RK, Madhu, Padmini, and now MK bhi ...don't we know how Padmini started acting in his company? 😃 so i'll cut some slack to Madhu..

if they fix up xyz things of Madhu, then she'll be perfect..it's not possible to run the story without flawed characters...n since this is a tv serial, we can never be sure of anyone..if certain character "always" does so n so thing, doesn't matter they will continue to do so..there can be growth and change , or they can choose to maintain consistency... i'm watching the story with an open mind ..i'm just a viewer, this is the story being presented to me, i'm either liking it or not liking it...(i liked that post of yours very much 😊)

Edited by _charu_ - 12 years ago

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hansa22

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Posted: 12 years ago

#57

I for one have always tried to defend Madhu's actions.

For me, the absolute low point were her interactions with Sultan. As SD said, she still has not got it...her relationship with Sultan was a mistake. Her reactions were always platonic. But her confiding in Sultan, I hated, because RK never involved anybody else in his plans and in their relationship. And it makes their relationship vulnerable now that Sultan is getting aggressive.

Which is why I am concerned about this track. Hope the CVs only objective is not to create constant MUs between RK and Madhu. Of course, friction will only drive the drama ahead, but I would love to see friction between Sultan and madhu, for once!! And viewership wise, people always like the heroine fighting for her family...typical yes, but I also have faith that if the CVs get their teeth into it, it can be differently executed.

Edited by Soundarya22 - 12 years ago

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Ume Salma Kakal

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Posted: 12 years ago

#58

Well one thing I know never ever expect a Hindi serial heroine to accept her mistakes or see them grow up. They all have one track mind and never gauge the consequences their action.

After watching so many serial's , this is I have come to notice.

With exception of two heroines that I have liked from all the hindi serial's I have watched, that are Piya (PKYEK) and Ragini (Bidaai). These two were what we call human female, they had their selfish and selfless streak.

Madhu I am not sure we will ever see any growth and what ever she will do will be justified. Not matter how wrong we thought she did.

So yes I am worried Madhu one track mind, will not see the bigger picture if she does lend support to Meerajee.

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minu_8

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Posted: 12 years ago

#59

I don't want to keep talking about madhu supporting sultan as a foregone conclusion in this track.. I would love it if the writers surprise me with a different execution..
But I feel the reason meera is mentally unstable is so that madhu supports sultan and co.. There were any number of things that could have happened to meera.. She may have been leading a destitute life after mk ditched her.. She may have lost her family's support due to her affair and pregnancy and then is trying to find her son but is unable to do so and harbors hatred for mk and his family.. In all these cases what mk dud doesnt change only the effect on meera does.. If she was not mentally unstable then why did she wait so long to confront his family? That is illogical but hardly more illogical than such tracks in tv serials like why didn't Radha give that bangle to madhu before when she considered her equally married to rk?
So I feel meera being mentally unstable us just for emotional manipulation.. Madhu will feel so sorry for meets that she will become blind to every loophole in the story..

Edited by minu_8 - 12 years ago