DOTW: SugVi Reunion

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Julie

@JulieD

Voyager

Posted: 12 years ago

Welcome to this week's DOTW.

TVS fans were happy with the ending of PSH 1 mainly because our beloved hero finally got his happiness, which was Sugni. We all saw him struggle through some tough heart break. He had wobbled a bit but when it came right down to it, he maintained his principles.

We saw all that he endured because of Sugni and Aditya. We saw all the un-necessary pain she put him through just to "protect" his marriage. She allowed his nephew to do her sardakai and then betrayed her best friend, Amrita, by marrying Aditya. No remorse was ever expressed for that.

What I want to know is if the show was not ending and SugVi were marrying just as it happened in the last episode, would you have still accepted Sugni for TVS? Or was she just accepted because it was what he wanted and oh heck the show was ending anyways? Do really think she deserved him?

Edited by JulieD - 12 years ago

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Ron

@ronshaan

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Posted: 12 years ago

julie - From the day she married aditiya or I can say after her sardakaii - she and her mom started torturing him yes he was wrong but those 3 were not angles .. so from that day .. I my self started dislike sugni .. till the day of the leap she was not accepted for TVS in my eyes
Yes she was angry but her way to punish was cruel so I hated that and I moved from Sugni's side to TVS side and was waiting for his New dawn .. for me it became TVS story - how a innocent thakur fall in love with a behdni helpes her ext ext.. and one day when he found out his wife was alive .. hide it that too to protect her and try to marry sugni - yes it was wrong but tell me the other way sugni chose was it better - she chose to be a --- of aditiya and not a 2nd wife of vikram so.. that slowly made her wrong by accepting to be a behdni of adi but not a wife - saying amu will min - wouldnt she mind adi has a behdni = No .. any ways after that she forget her own words by marrying adi (her words - not to come b/w 2 lovers - husband and wife..) so what he was not married but he was going to marry amu so that made sugni more wrong when amu came back she even did not apologize to her - she and her mom keep saying to amu Oh adi loves you 0- realy .. any ways then she marry adi and start torturing vikram with her saying see im married nad have husband aditiya he is this and he is that .. that made vikram turn into good human into bad person who decided to make her life hell (we know reva put more wrong in his brain but sugni some where was wrong with her actions )

so... at the last day b4 the leap he understood he just misunderstood sugni and felt he did very wrong and wanted to amend his mistakes !!

We all wanted vikram to find a girl who will LOVE him more then he love her because he fought for sugni loved her allot and got nothing in return.. after the leap sugni lost her memory and became chulbuli.. she slowly fall in love with vikram .. accepted him as vikram loved him as vikram she was equal to him and was stong enough to accept him and love him more then he could ever love her

so the u turn for me to accept sugni for vikram was the leap and sugni - as chulbuli because the writers killed sugni as lover

In the end - I wanted her to gain her memory and then accept him knowing who he was what he was

He was wrong

but she too.. was not so rite with her actions !

so finely they married so I m happy he won his love !!!

TRUE LOVE WINS 👏

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Sara Baksh

@sara1993

Voyager

Posted: 12 years ago

I do think Sugni deserved him.Everyone makes mistakes but if a person realizes his/her mistakes and is truly sorry whatever he/she did then it is our duty to forgive that person.Although in PSH 1 Sugni never said she was sorry for her actions, i could have seen it in her eyes when Adi was explaining to her how much TVS loved her and what he did for her sake.Yes, both Sugni and Vikram did make mistakes but if you look at it, knowingly or unknowingly they each committed those mistakes out of love for each other. It is rightly said that love makes us do crazy things. TVS loved Sugni a lot and couldn't bear to see the one he love more than his own life be with someone else, so he retaliated. I did not condone some of his actions but i understood his intentions and that is the reason i supported him as for Sugni, what she did was even worse than what TVS did, in my opinion sugni wanted to punish TVS so badly that she used any means possible to achieve her goal, she could not see anything beyond punishing him however, one thing is for sure, he was always the only one in her heart and we clearly saw this when she became Chulbulli, we saw the power of true love. Only someone who truly loves another person would forget everything about themselves but still somehow remember the one that gave meaning to their life and that person for Sugni was none other than Vikram.

My point is, sure both of them did hurt each other a lot whether they did so intentionally or unintentionally but the truth is, they both have always loved each other a lot and for me that is all that matters. Love is about forgiveness, it is about understanding each other's feelings and although late Sugni did realize this. She just needed someone to show her that what she was doing was wrong and how much TVS loved her, thank God Adi was that person. If anyone deserved Vikram it was Sugni. Their love for each other proved victorious in the game of fate.

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Ron

@ronshaan

Stunner

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Posted: 12 years ago

Well said sarah

Now i have another question

What would happen if in the last episode she would marry aditiya just like what adini fans wanted

She would not accept vikram n marry adi

What would b our reaction to that?

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Sara Baksh

@sara1993

Voyager

Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: ronshaan
Well said sarah
Now i have another question
What would happen if in the last episode she would marry aditiya just like what adini fans wanted
She would not accept vikram n marry adi
What would b our reaction to that?

Well Ronit, had Sugni done that then definitely my perspective about her would have been different . I would have definitely been angry at her for not seeing Vikram's love for her and not seeing everything that he did just to protect her from harm's way moreover, had she gotten married to Adi instead of Vikram it would have totally contradicted her feelings because everyone saw how much she loved Vikram, she forgot her own identity yet she still felt a connection to Vikram... this was not the case with Adi even though he was her husband... and even Adi himself realized this when he asked her if she didn't remember him and Sugni said no, Vikram never mentioned him. So after realizing this had Adi also allowed Sugni to marry him, i would have definitely concluded that neither of them cared about Vikram's feelings at all and neither of them understand the true meaning of love but thankfully Adi realized that Sugni never loved him and as i said in my previous post i always felt Sugni refused to see Vikram's love for her and as such, she needed someone to show her how much Vikram loved her,how much he endured for her sake, she needed someone to tell her to listen to her heart and not her ego, and the only person that could have shown her this was Adi as he understood whom she really loved and that it would be wrong to separate her from Vikram again . So i'm glad that Adi talked some sense into Sugni and she finally saw the situation through Vikram's eyes and all's well that ends well😉

Edited by sara1993 - 12 years ago

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Ron

@ronshaan

Stunner

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Posted: 12 years ago

very well explained sarah !!!

I liked it !!

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Julie

@JulieD

Voyager

Posted: 12 years ago

I loved the chemistry that Vikram and Sugni shared. Despite all that happened, they always had great chemistry, lovely scenes.

I accepted Sugni and Vikram's marriage only because the show was ending. If the show was continuing then I would have wanted to see Sugni apologising alot.

I really disliked Sugni when she did sardakai and hated her when she betrayed Amrita and the way she treated Vikram after her and Aditya's marriage.

From Amrita's POV, I would never forgive Sugni.

From Vikram's POV, she would have had alot of apologising and grovelling to do.

Some things just can't be forgiven and forgotten easily.

As the show was ending, I accepted that Vikram ended up with Sugni, BUT I would have preferred if Sugni had chosen on her own, WITHOUT anyone's help, to be with Vikram.

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Vinnie79

@Vinnie79

Rocker

Posted: 12 years ago

They say alls well that ends well. But honestly if the show was not ending I would not have accepted Suni for TVS so easily. Because I really thought he deserved some one who would appriciate him.
Granted he made a big mistake, but her actions after, just made her look self centered and cheap. She wanted to hurt him, up to a point I was with her...when she threw the ringh in his face and did the Raai afterward, But when she Announced her Sardakhi ...she crossed the line, she was now not only doing it for revenge, but was loosing her self respect. For no other reason than she was cheated in love. Usually when you break up with some one you try to show them you can become better than what they thought. Whoch she would have done had she choosen to leave the village and go elsewhere.
It got worse when she married adi..at this point I was hating her. Because she never showed remorse over what she was doing and was looking like a big hypocrite... I don't want to be the other woman in his life... but I have no problems being the other woman in Adi's life... I will sacrifice my love for Reva a woman I don't know, but destroy my best friends realtionship with her fiance. Vickram will have to forget m and outr relationship, so the best way is living in his house as his nephews wife ..that will work.! (where was her logic. in that!)
Yet through out all of his burning hurt and vengence all his plotting and planning , when it came down to it Vickram could never hurt her He could not use her when he blackmailed her, he ended up buying all her sarees even when he was trying to destroy Adi.
It was her hurtful insulting words and actions that was driving him to be cruel to her.
So really I thought that Sugni owed Vickram an apology, in the end , when he said he had something to tell her, she said you said so much what more is there to say??? (Hello how about I am sorry Vickram for the pain and mental tourture I caused you!😡)
So to me Sugni was accepted because, she was his happiness, and yes the show was ending and I just wanted to see him happy!

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Sara Baksh

@sara1993

Voyager

Posted: 12 years ago

I agree with you Vinnie. I agree that Sugni should have apologized to Vikram for her actions in the last episode but sometimes actions do speak louder than words . I know had they continued the show they would have showed Sugni being remorseful for her actions pretty much like what you guys did in your version of PSH 2 but i honestly do believe that even though Sugni did not say that she was sorry, i knew she was, you could have seen it in her eyes when Adi was explaining to her how much Vikram loved her and what he did for her sake, when you truly love someone you are willing to forgive their every mistake, no matter how much pain you had to endure for their sake, your heart always finds a way to forgive them. Moreover, this was not a one sided situation, both of them did hurt each other immensely but then again their love for each other was far greater, far stronger than the pain they inflicted on each other so for me the fact that Sugni realized how much Vikram loved her and the fact that she finally decided to see the situation through his eyes is enough for me as it proved that she was indeed sorry for what she did to him and she definitely deserves him.😉

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payal7

@payal7

Dazzler

Posted: 12 years ago

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You have posed a very thought provoking question Julie.

Does sugni deserve Vikram?

The Sugni before the wedding debacle - Definitely.

She was not as expressive as him but she loved him and was fiercely protective of him even though in a practical sense she could not protect him

(I still remember the fierce way she said

-after his confrontation with Gigi why does everyone see a Bedni but not the girl who loves you just as much as any other girl would and

- have go at me as much as you like but don't say anything to him its not his fault when Giji was having a go at TVS when Kuhu was attacked).

The Sugni pre- Benaris phase - Definitely not.

TVS loved Sugni truly, deeply, honestly of that there is no doubt. But no matter how much you love someone and want her in your life and want to give her a better life you cannot frog march her blindly into being a mistress (she may be a wife in his mind but to the outside world she would be his mistress). Its no different to Divarkar frog marching her from the mendir into prostitution. it was fundamentally wrong. Yes fate played a horrible trick on them both but his response was wrong. Why divorce was not an option is one of those questions that will remain forever unanswered.

Should she have done her own sardhakai? - Absolutely not.

She lashed out wanting hurt TVS and yes it would have hurt him but it would have destroyed her. I agree with Vinnie - in her desire to hurt him she lost her self respect. As Vinnie says most people's reaction to what happened would be to go all out and prove that they are better than that. But I made allowances for Sugni because she was young. She had my sympathy when she kept pushing him away. No one can expect a 20 year old to enter into a relationship with a married man whose wife has made it clear she is going nowhere.

However what they (G Adi and Sugni) did to Amrita (an innocent party) was absolutely unforgiveable. There was absolutely no need for those 3 to destroy Adi-Amu relationship. The fact they did it with such carelessness was one of Sugni's low points. (This is one of the reasons in PHS2 I cannot show these 2 as friends. Yes as part of the same family they will stand by each other in difficult times but it will never a true friendship where there is trust because Amrita will never trust Sugni no matter what Sugni does. Sorry I digress).

But for me Sugni hit an absolute low when she married Adi at a gun point. No girl no matter what would ever willingly put herself in a position where she has a relationship with a one man while living in her ex's house and ingratiate herself into his family so that the ex is isolated. He saved her mother and family and his payback was being ostracised from his own family?

I have no doubt that if she had not been shot, she would have gone through with that suhagraat with Adi and lived in front of TVS without an ounce of pity and if it had destroyed him she would have shrugged her shoulders and say like me he should have moved on!!!!

Yes what he did to her was absolutely wrong but what they did to him was far worse.

The sugni at the end - I honestly don't know.

TVS asked Sugni for forgiveness both in Benaras and before the wedding. But neither Adi or Sugni apologised. Adi came close when he admitted that he came between TVS and Sugni but did not actually say sorry.

Irrespective of the show ending, I would have liked for the non essential parts to have been cut by use of a simple narration so that she would have regained her memory in the mandep. TVS would stop the wedding saying this was done to trigger your memory and now it has returned there is no need for it. Now you need to decide what you wish to do and walk away.

If after thinking Sugni decided that her future was with TVS apologised for the hell she has put him and the family through then I would say she deserved him because they have both hurt each other deeply but both understand what they did was wrong and can move on.

As a minimum they should have had a flashback which would have shown what she was thinking that made her stop him from untying the knot and carrying on with the wedding. It would have gone someway towards redeeming her character.

But as it is I don't know because I don't know whether there is any regret/remorse for what she did because if there is no remorse then she really is not a very nice person/human being and I would not wish that for him.

I take you point Sara that its not always necessary to say sorry its understood but in this case the wounds inflicted where severe and actually in my humble opinion an apology is very much needed as acknowledgment that she knew she had done wrong.

Edited by payal7 - 12 years ago

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