Episode 223 Discussion: 19th March 2013

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 12 years ago

Episode 223 Discussion: 19th March 2013

Welcome to the Episode discussion thread which we call as Viewer's and Reader's Respite. That's very apt, don't you think ? 😉. And that proves our objective.

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Today's LU from : Armu4eva

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3492469/19th-march-short-lu-dont-say-alvida

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There are various other threads all over the forum. Please check out those as well. This is just one choice out of so many.
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The link to Previous Episode thread if anyone wants to trace and post thoughts there. https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3490594/episode-222-discussion-18th-march-2013

Collated EOD summary of 18th Mar Episode discussion, if one is just reading updates and not watching the episodes. https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/78475331

Cheers,

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 12 years ago

Episode 223 Discussion - EOD Summary

The Prologue to Face-Off between RK and Sultan. They meet but RK is not in his senses

Events of the Episode

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Syl's Pictorial Commentary

Originally posted by: undisclosed
finally rk and sultan face to face

Originally posted by: undisclosed
madhu hanging up on rk...

Zorica's Poster Section

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Originally posted by: zorica
Both of them think about Madhu, about what she told them.

Amrithas : Dumb and Dumber!

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Angeena

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Posted: 12 years ago

RK went back to drinking. But then, this isn't a habit he'll be able to quit that easily, with Madhu not around to keep him in line. Though I must say if drinking alcohol makes him this clear in his thinking then it is worth it.. He did not appear so drunk that won't remember this. But he was drunk enough to crash his car.

Madhu told the truth to Padmini. But, when did she remove the misunderstanding between Sultan and RK? 😕 Did I miss out on this when I tuned out her speech? Finally, she seems to be realize that she needs to get away from this mess.. Her refusing to accept Sultan's money was a good thing. She did need the money, but taking it from him would have put her in his debt which would definitely have resulted in more trouble.

Padmini's reaction was off.. Maybe it was the way she and Madhu were looking at her phone when RK was calling, or maybe it was the fact that she seemed to recognise Sultan despite the fact that she never met him, or maybe it was that she allowed Madhu to talk so brashly to a don. But then, I guess she felt it was best to let Madhu handle it as she has the most experience in dealing with Sultan.

Sultan turned up at Madhu's house to confess? Seriously? He actually felt guilty for dragging Madhu in to this mess.. Huh. 🤔 I don't get this. When did Madhu become important enough to warrant an apology? When and how did he drag Madhu in to this mess? It was not his fault that RK decided to place the blame on Madhu's feet.

Sultan and RK's run-in was just 🤪. Sultan goes and helps RK (Why? It could have easily have become a police case ..) without even looking at it his face? In the backseat, RK was opening up about his life's troubles with Madhu and in the front seat, Sultan couldn't care less. Loved the dialogues here by both of them. And when Sultan found out it was RK .. he goes for the gun. I think, however, he won't find it honourable to attack a person not in his senses.

In all this, Bittooji and Radhaji are, most likely, going to regroup to try and find another way forward.

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bcbs_srk

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Posted: 12 years ago

Today's episode reminded me Sharabi movie song.

De De # De # De # De Re hamein # De

Duniya Wale Kuchh bhi Samajhen hum hai Right Kamine

Jahaan bhi Jaayen tujhe insult Karenge

De De # De # De # ...

Is Sultan a Don or Marriage Counselor😆? Both Husband and Biwi sharing their marriage problems.

Finally RK understood the Newton's Law.😆

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Overall a good episode.

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anastasia21

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Posted: 12 years ago

Sultan should realize by now that the stars are not in his favor right now. Somebody mentioned yesterday that Madhu's speech was devised to make him fall in love with him. Looks like its working. Otherwise, its a pretty dumb move for an underworld kingpin to walk up to a girl's door just to say sorry. He is leaving hundreds of witnesses behind and he does not care for his anonymity anymore. He is also a good Samaritan who doesn't leave a scene of accident and drives the victim home. Yes, a heart of gold and all that, but how did he manage to keep his identity under the wraps all these years?😕 He is pretty careless and impulsive for someone shrewd enough to be sitting on the top.

For the last two episodes, I'm not comprehending why the people are saying what they are saying. Sultan says sorry for dragging Madhu into all this. Isn't it the other way round? He says he has always taught Aryan to think from his head and not heart.🤪 Hah, good luck with that dude, because surely a 5 year old will know what you're talking about. And all through his speech, Madhu gives a weird smug expression. Like daughter, like mother. Why aren't they terrified out of their wits that Sultan has just appeared outside their doorstep?

Third car accident while drunk driving for RK? And how many times now he has injured himself on that same spot on his forehead? Lame lame way to make these two confront each other. Are they trying to give Sultan a leg up? Because he is wasting every chance he is provided with. Maybe an emotionless, straight face and bland, monotonous voice is supposed to mean something, but he is failing to convince me that he is something big, bad and scary. Compared to that, RK, even though was acting utterly silly, made the scene absolutely work in his favor. He was drunk and blabbering about his sad, confused life to a stranger but amazingly his emoting was convincing enough.

Only silver lining for the day, RK's 5 line monologues while drinking. "Kya mera pyar itna kamzor tha?" 😲 Shock. Horror. Gasp. Then calm down. That's old news.

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Namita

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Posted: 12 years ago

"Kya mera pyaar itna kamzor tha"? Duh, the way he treated Madhu, any girl would run a mile away from that moron. It's like walking on egg shells. I swear RK seems to be in his PMS mode...lol

Hi Shri, waiting for your take hun. Will call you later tonight!

Cheers 😊

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amrithas

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Posted: 12 years ago

Well another episode that managed to surprise! After yesterday's round of baashans, this was most welcome! Not very convinced with Sultan wanting to apologize to Madhu though! Well I will take it with a pinch of salt! So that makes another person who is going to be doing the rounds of chawl from now on! Why doesnt she just make it clear to both the parties involved that it was only a misunderstanding, instead she is trying to score with the Don! It worked, Madhu has started getting to Don now, he's pondering about her words, when lo and behold love smitten Romeo is driving head on! Well if I had known that all it took was just one windshield to be broken, for Right Kameena to turn into Lovesick Romeo, I would have done the honors myself! Anyway Sultan, the righteous don while cursing his stupidity, decides to haul the unconscious RK without even glancing at his face! All this light and shadow games pretty much establishes that RK and Sultan do have a history! Otherwise Sultan pulling out a gun is not warranted for threatening Aryan alone or maybe he's just fed up with the Miya Biwi pouring out their marital problems on him! (RK was so cute with his drunken confessions and Newton's theory to none other than Don! )Well I am sure he wont use it, so lets see what unfolds tomorrow besides Paddo's respect saving cash reimbursement! Still don't see why Madhu has to pay for it! RK threatened the so called Aashiq and he broke the windshield in retaliation or whatever! If it was me I would have shown my back to both the idiots!

Oh that dialogue of RK's about Madhu protecting her lover behind her dupatta, I think is more applicable to himself!

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hansa22

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Posted: 12 years ago

Dear Mr Kundra,

You asked ...Kya mera pyaar itna kamzor tha - Haan beshaq Mr Kundra.

You said ...you wanted to destroy her, but she has destroyed you without lifting a finger. True that. You are always around to help her with your ghinoni harkatein so why should she lift a finger?

And all this when you are drunk? BTW, you do look cute when drunk. What about using those grey cells for introspection when you are not drunk?? The conclusion from this whole mess is that your love was not strong enough, it is true, after all you could break it off with Madhu so easily. Am glad that you are beginning to realise it. Sooo, what are you going to do about it, Superstar RK? Whatever it is, make it quick. We poor viewers have to stop thinking about the various permutations and combinations to endure in the forthcoming episodes...the suspense is killing us softly😆.

Dear Madhubala,

You need a break from all this chaos. EK pagal already hain, now a second pagal at your doorstep. Please take a holiday in that cute little village you chanced upon. Don't look for anymore subjects to transfer your effusion of love...for eg: Aryan. because his dad is also around, and might just fall in love with you. We don't want that though we viewers are supposed to think of him as a gangster with a heart of gold. And please tell RK he spoke to a little boy on the phone...please. Stop this vicious circle right now...not talking,ignoring RK only makes him mad. Your subtle silences don't have the desired effect. Instead ignore the gangster. If you've seen hindi movies, you should know, it 's not easy to get out of his underworld chakravyuh.

Dear Sultan:

Beware...by default you have met these two people crazily in love with each other, and crazy in general. Funnily, both of them have made you the confidante of their love/hate story. We know you are not as stone hearted as you make yourself out to be...you went to apologise to Madhu, you gave her money to pay for the windshield, you tried to drop a drunk driver home till it turns out it was your enemy no 1, RK. Hmm, what happened to Bhujang?? Planning a dhamaka I guess.

Dear Paddy:

What was that expression on your face?? Were you proud that Madhu was standing up to a gangster?? Isn' t there an iota of worry that your daughter is getting into something fraught with danger?? Why was there no panic? Everything is not about 'hauslon se veer'. What about asking the gangster to not call your daughter for baby sitting? That's the one thing your Madhu will still do, if called upon. Dangerous liaisons, these are. RK is the least of your problems.

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leelaa9

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Posted: 12 years ago

Relieved and impressed that the MEIEJ team are managing to have the absent male lead's that many scenes in each ep.😊

The eps are good (thanks to DVD's acting and RK's dialogues) - today's ep being much better than yesterday's monologues-run.

But just getting a bit tired of two eps in a row with *everyone* talking so much and saying not that much.😕

RK's dialogues are always sharp and terrific, regardless of the sentiments they may evoke.⭐️
Loved his dialogues throughout *this* ep, and would have been much better able to bear the length if there were less general confusion permeating.😕😊

Madhu's crisp responses to RK and to her mother were excellent 😃, but apparently just a relief for her coming lecture to Sultan.

But are both leads in a special competition to mislead, with the win dependent on the maximum amount of misleading toted up rather than on the number of people misled?😕

RK is succeeding in misleading *no one* except Madhu (and maybe her mother) about his actual feelings for her.

(Okay, Madhu does know his actual feelings for her, but since she's too ethical and not crazy enough to keep him perpetually out of his senses so that he'll constantly admit his life is worthless without her, his not outright admitting to loving her while in his senses presents a major obstacle.)

Madhu is misleading *everyone* except Bittuji (direct communication) and Radha (that lady's sharp guesswork) about her feelings for RK.

Which was just fine until the 'everyone' included the ripe old cliche of the gangster just waiting and available to fall in love with the righteous girl.

Madhu didn't want to tell either RK *or* Padmini about Sultan or her compliance for RK's safety. Understood.

But she should have either told RK that she had been talking to a handicapped little boy on the phone or - preferably, in keeping with Sultan's threat - she should have told Sultan that RK had no idea he had been talking to a child.

Instead, she doesn't clear that one point from either angle with either of the two volatile men.

And very helpfully to further advance Sultan's "she's single at heart" misapprehension, she has very directly given him the impression that she is permanently estranged from her husband, can't stand RK, doesn't want to see him, and is never worried for him. Cliched?

Sultan should just call and tell her he shot RK dead and disconnect the call.

Madhu's honest reactions then may be as clearly broadcast as she and RK both individually manage only when the other is in peril.

Short of Sultan doing that or some other peril revealing Madhu's actual feelings for her husband to him, he is likely to remain under his misapprehension the better to start aspiring however much or little for Madhu in romantic fashion.

Also, could Madhu please not be given so many lectures to rattle off to the gangster. It's feeling like a combination of several mighty female leads from the saas-bahu genre.

And if you're desperately in need of money, tainted money becomes as acceptable as any other kind.
If you can quibble, your need isn't actually desperate (or you're the sort of zealously righteous lunatic no serial can ever afford to have any of its protagonists become).
Madhu is assuredly *not* the latter sort, and the former condition (it was just a dratted though very expensive windscreen) meant she could lecture and refuse to take the money.

CVs, can we please have our spirited girl back minus the onset of saas-bahu tinting? The one with "Zanjeer" dialogue and precise effective wordplay?😃
Everything is a lecture with Sultan? Why can't she be sharp and crisp with him, the way she manages so superbly with RK?😕

RK's dialogues were great as always on the wit irregardless of sense.😕😳⭐️

But with Madhu and then RK going fullthrottle on the talkathon route at the same fellow, I felt a completely non-storyline empathy for Sultan.

Watching the spate of dialogues that were almost wholly monologues (yet again) was endurable because of both the leads' charisma and stellar acting (VD's drunk acting is getting as outstanding as sober, and DD managed to make yet another unbelievably saas-bahu cliched lecture endurable only by her screenpresence).😳

But nevertheless it was giving a bit of a headache, and the Sultan character was actually having to endure it firsthand from each of them consecutively in the span of one night and probably one MEIEJverse hour.

The few actual impressive plot-and-characterization bits vis-a-vis the storyline were quite unaided by any major dialogues.

The first such instance was Radha and Bittuji hardly even waiting for RK to go up the stairs before getting together to get up to par on the most recent events.

These two are so completely focussed on their goal that nothing and no one gets to distract from it.

Bittuji would almost guaranteed have prioritized RK even if the Chief's wife were actually Bittuji's sister.

But having only a 'moohbola' sibling relationship with Madhu ensures that he would be hesitant as heck in confronting her and asking what is going on.

The drunk night, he had the advantage of knowing some of it before talking to her.

Here, he knows nothing and has no lever to make her confide in him.

Sister he may consider her, but 'bhabhiji' he calls her, and it is the latter relationship that places bounds on what he may tell or ask her.

Asking her to explain the actual reasons for her associating with another man definitely comes in that category... though I hope he stops tiptoeing and backing off, and just brings his own tactical shrewdness to the fore and gets some answers from her.

Bittuji is the only person in the current scenario that Madhu has not prevaricated with.

The second instance was RK's phoning on Padmini's cellphone when Madhu wouldn't take his call on her cellphone.

The tactical move itself and the reactions of both women before going verbal highlighted that the situation was not something to brush off in melodramatically grandiose style.

Other than that, Padmini's reactions and Madhu's listening to her mother only when her mother is *not* talking sense are old disaster points in the storyline.

They had a person on the doorstep who had kidnapped and threatened her daughter and was of homicidal proclivity, and Padmini looked as senselessly courageous as Madhu.

Reckless courage is a default mode for Madhu and RK except if the other is in danger.

But it is *not* Padmini's default mode. So why was she looking not even a whit appalled or worried at her daughter's antagonizing the dangerous fellow?

And in the precap, she sends her daughter to give the windscreen's cost-money and a bonus lecture to RK.

RK is *not* Sultan to look flummoxed by highflown speeches.
Give him a lecture when he is feeling hostile, and the response tends to be reciprocal on the hard-to-take scale.

And is Padmini deliberately being suddenly insensible?
She and RK both were unaware just what was going on with Madhu's overnight outings.
Now she knows, and RK doesn't.
RK is still the man that Padmini and both her daughters are today alive because of.

Could she please stop this CVs-ensured selective amnesia of her own, and remember that if her son-in-law had not interceded and her daughter had *died* because of her other daughter, it would not be betrayal in love but betrayal to death that she would now be dealing with?

And we might have seen an actual effective baddua - as in only from that moment and never before - to Trishna, instead of unknowingly describing a person's already-back-in-effect private life-situation, and saying it *will* happen.😕

Sultan's coming there made no sense except to serve multiple enforced plotdevices.

He got a lecture from Madhu that may send him speeding down cliche lane to reform himself professionally and as a father.

He has heard further from Madhu about RK insulting and *not* that RK did not know that he had threatened a child over Madhu's cellphone.

And he had a crash with RK's car, gave him a lift and got to hear much from RK in that drunk condition that may have made disputable amounts of sense to him until the last few statements.

At which point, cliffhanger with Sultan going for his gun, presumably to deal with what he believes to be the person who threatened to permanently and completely cripple his child. (Thanks, CVs, for having Madhu lecture instead of being pertinently factual in both of her two recent encounters with Sultan while talking about Aryan being threatened by RK.)😕

Interesting that RK told Madhu about wanting to give an appointment to Sultan, Sultan told Madhu and Padmini that destiny ensured appointments regardless of one's volition, and then Sultan commended RK on his destiny's strength.

RK not in his senses - drunk or in the waking throes of a nightmare - understands and openly acknowledges loving Madhu and considering life worthless without her.

Madhu makes it a point to make prevaricating and misleading comments about her feelings for RK to everyone but Bittuji. She may decide to include him in the list too at any point now.

CVs, we get these points about both the leads, and one may expect it all to come home to roost in stages of exponential disaster.

The male lead's redemption vis-a-vis the female lead and the couple's relationship is to happen at its own pace, and just going to settle in for it and hope both characterizations are preserved and not further massacred.

Could there now *not* be gratuitous scenes to repeatedly show us these angles without also adding on some much-awaited further development to repair the damage the 'twist' caused?😊

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ennishet

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Was it a haunted episode? Sorry, I missed parts of the episode so don't know what actually happened. Need to watch the repeat telecast.

Everyone doing puzzling things, right from Madhu & Padmini to Rk & Sultan. I think RK made a blunder when he took Madhu for Karvachauth II to his studio as he invited Kanjama's spirit back home which enters him whenever he's drunk. The spirit makes him speak what's in his heart, the same truth which he fights tooth and nail when he's in his senses.

BTW, RK's 'kya mera pyaar itna kamjor tha' confused me as I don't recall him giving Madhu this good, great news that he loves her. He's instead always played the 'hate' and 'revenge' slogan, so many times that it must have been imprinted on Madhu's psyche. What do you expect Mr. RK?

Umm ... there was another explanation ... maybe he isn't drinking liquor but he's started taking Veritaserum ( truth potion) from Harry Potter and his pals.

RK ringing up Madhu repeatedly reminded me of those pesky Eu**ka For**s service center employees who bug you every few days for a contract. Madhu, next time remember, there is a 'switch off' button on your cell phone, kindly press it and spare us the miya-biwi nautanki.

Did Madhu also sample some of that potion? She was in the mood to share things with her mom. Sultan landing up at Madhu's doorstep was a shock but mother-daughter duo overcame it and had weird expressions on their faces. I was scared as a viewer to see a don at Madhu's door but they seemed unaffected. Madhu asking Sultan whether all would be fine if RK was to pay money for the way he insulted Aryan was bang on target - money doesn't buy everything.

What a way to show the first face off between RK-Sultan? Why the darkness? Seems like there is more than meets the eye. Did RK have to blabber his love story in detail in the presence of Sultan? He gave away the information that Madhu matters to him and the best way to hurt him is by removing her from his life.

What is Sultan up to making multiple visits to the city when he wants to keep a low profile? Why did Madhu's words affect him that he apologized? Sounds odd. Best advice to Sultan: keep away from the miya-biwi pair, they're nuts and they will get you admitted to some mental asylum. Better yet, pack your bags and go back to where you came from if you value your sanity and your child's too.

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