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Posted: 12 years ago
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You have a way of reminding me of people past The Truth. When I first saw you, you reminded me of The Ultimate. Now you remind me about – a certain Mr. Demand and Supply. Not accusing you of MIDs, honestly. Just an observation. I think all three of you have similar views in issues, but express it differently. Although you are very close to demand and supply.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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On topic - I think western media, typically dominated by US media, tends to paint Hugo Chavez in a negative light. Venezuelan and left leaning media will paint him in a heroic light. I think Chavez was a extremely eccentric in some aspects, but overall a good leader who did many right things.

In terms of socialist leaders I like Lula Da Silva and Dilma Roussef of Brazil's workers party, because I think they kept core socialist values, but still managed to turn around a recession and bring economic progress to the country.

Looks like we are sliding into ye old capitalism vs. socialism debate. John Maynard Keynes and FDR FTW! For me.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheTruth

Un.Be.Lievable. I have to rest my case. That paragraph right there says clearly how much deep rooted communism/socialism/Marxism is in your thought process.

For fun though, as a business owner, I would love to know logical reasons behind why "workers should unite to gain more power". Who is a worker? Is CEO not a worker? So, how about. VPs? Managers? Laborers? Where is the cut off? Can CEOs create a union because they also feel oppressed by the burden of taxes?
I would also love to know how capitalism is limitless? If it is, why is it bad?
What extremes would one go to for profit? Here, I will give a clue - depends on the customer's demand. If I as a customer would want to get the poorest quality food at the cheapest possible price, everyone would compete for my business. In that case, of course the quality of food would not be of any importance. The reality is different. I do not want crappy food. That is why I am ok with FDA regulating and setting certain standards in the food industry. That still does not mean that I can eat whatever I want whenever I want in unlimited quantity. The business owner is not going to tell me what should I eat or not. Same way government should not either.

Speaking of which.. did anyone know what happened to NY city soda ban?

Personal opinions and emotions based policies would fail every time. Personal responsibility is the key. I agree that there may require education for that.



Dude, I have admitted that I am a marxist. Of course it affects how I think about politics. Just like how your deep commitment to capitalism affects what you think about Chavez. We are all consciously or unconsciously committed to some ideology or another to interpret the world. Of course, Marx said that it's not enough to interpret the world, but that it's also important to change it. It was the only political philosophy that started from the premise that there was an unequal power balance. Just saying.

CEOs and management are not workers, sorry. Working class people are people who do not control the means of production, who depend on a wage to make a living, and who increasingly find themselves in more and more precarious situations.

I already responded to your comment about personal responsibility, so won't repeat myself.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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My reply was fairly comprehensible. I stated that personal responsibility has to do with power, and that it's not fair or equal to expect personal responsibility to win out over massive forces such as advertising and knowledge production. I think it's absurd to expect individual responsibility to stand up to that kind of power.

I've already covered other points with much detail in my previous posts, so I'll stop here.

I won't be replying to further posts from you unless you cover new ground or make any new points worthy of response. Cheers.

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