Episode 195 Discussion: 14th Feb 2013

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Episode 195 Discussion: 14th Feb 2013


Welcome to the Episode discussion thread which we call as Viewer's and Reader's Respite. That's very apt, don't you think ? 😉. And that proves our objective.

Objective behind the thread is
  1. It helps in keeping the forum clean without much litter. People just need to fall in a habit.
  2. We can have it like breathers at first followed by analysis.
  3. It also helps like-minded souls and pals bond and gel together to drop in their thoughts for themselves as breathers and for their friends as a peep into the episode and for others to post their reviews.
  4. And those from different time-zones, who do not get to watch the episode at this time of telecast (Indian 8:30 PM), without any worry to trace or keep track of all their buddy's posts, they can come here, read with leisure and later post their analysis after watching it from their Time zones.

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  • There are various other threads all over the forum. Please check out those as well. This is just one choice out of so many.
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Episode 195 Discussion - EOD Summary

Aa Dekhe zara, Kisme Kitna Hai Dum, Jam ke rakhna Kadam - Mommy dares to Son

Events of the Episode
Continuation of the scene from yesterday. There at Chawl as Madhu is coming to terms with her reality, here at RK Mansion, RK is rudely woken up from his sleep in sudden fear. Its of course juxtaposed with Madhu's shouting his name. A jolted RK. greatly disturbed sits in the dark, turns on the light and wants to take water, sees his mother sitting by his bedside. He asks the reason of her waiting. Radhaji asks him casually if he had a night- mare and that she was wondering how could he sleep after what he did. ***********Sorry, I am unable to write, I am feeling too emotional about it now as I am remembering... I am to overwhelmed. Please watch the episode******************Feel is : Emphasis is on RK and Madhu trying to move on with their lives and it is evident, its difficult for both of them. Madhu, we understand her plight and predicament, but even RK's attempt at moving on was also painful to see. His mother mocked at his attempts, he is unable to look at his face even in the mirror and all of it heightens the pain for everyone around him...wanting to rage like Radhaji the way she breaks glasses in spree to douse his son off his arrogance, his noise, his drama. He just leaves the scene scared to see his mother like that, leaving his mother panting and still angry. All of this just heightens our pain for everyone and somehow only looking at Madhu at her place away from RK and his surroundings, gives us the peace. Its like Madhu is the hurt one and yet she has peace and RK, though the one to hurt everyone, is already in hell, and if we are even 5 steps closer to him, his personal hell and his pain touches us and we feel the pain, suffocation, displeasure and we too will become demon like him...so much better if we can get away from the man...far far away ...May be Bittuji is trying to do the same. To be seen tomorrrow...

Episode Reviews
Page 1 - SD, Angeena, vkk2429
Page 2 - MarathiMulgi, Charu, dramacrazy12,
Page 3 - Ananya
Page 4 - Anastasia21, Soundarya
Page 8 - Leela, apolloartemis
Page 9 - Adhyaay_Chapter, sadumaneet, Ananya
Page 10 - Mayu, Anastasia21
Page 11 - undisclosed, SD
Page 12 - SD
Page 13 - supercool3
Page 14 - Soundarya, pnars


TRP Analysis -
Page 1 - SD, Soundarya
Page 2 - SD

Song Dedications -
Soundarya - Page 2
Charu - Page 4


Discussions - Guilt & Shame. Is it felt by the Avenger ? and how much an Intellectual Debate is worth it
Page 7 - dramacrazy12, Charu - A trip to Indian Mythological stories
Page 8 - dramacrazy12, ritzy09, Adhyaay_Chapter, SD
Page 11 - Bhakti
Page 14 - SD

Pictorial Commentary

Originally posted by: zorica

Applause for RADHA! 👏⭐️




Originally posted by: undisclosed

rk was being honest when he accepted his mama again!!!
[SD]: True


[SD]: This was the son who has accepted her. She didn't know her Rishu was actually deep inside like.

[SD]: Yeh Rishta kya kehlaata hai (What is this relationship called)

A relationship there, present, true and yet is so un-enjoyable and dead. There is no chick and hen out in the poultry, but an egg who failed to become the chick when the hen was alive and now the hen is broiled and served on the table and the egg lovingly wants to maintain the remnants of the life he has. Surreal it is for the egg with its wiry legs, but so unreal.

[SD]: Yeh woh RIshta hai Jo Hona chaahiye tha ( A relationship that should have been)


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TRP analysis - Week 6th - 4th Feb to 10th Feb

Source

Which new cities being added and what producers think!

This week results - Analysis
Why same % drop for all 3 Colors soaps

Observation
All the 3 colors shows's TRPs fell drastically for week 6?

Balika Vadhu fell to 3.9 from 4.7 (0.8 drop) ---> 17% drop
SSK fell to 3.1 from 4.0 (0.9 drop) --> app 22 % drop
MEIEJ fell to 3.0 from 3.9 (0.8 drop) --> app 20% drop
relatively the other 2 new shows; NBT fell by 6.25% and Sanskaar fell by 13 %

Why app same drop for all three soaps ? Any coverage area changed in TRP capture?
If all three shows have app same % drop then that is Channels popularity drop at three different times and not show's popularity.

Answer lies in sample size who passed this verdict. We were not informed if any new cities were added.

In GRP (GEC) terms, only ZEE gained.

As for MEIEJ...the only public news was Promo and there was no Spoiler news in SBB, ABP, E24 or National dailies likes TOI. TRP audience do not visit IF-TB news articles...I don't think they knew about Sourabh Tewari's tweet.

Going by MEIEJ TRP break-up, people watched on Monday...promo came out for Saturday...and again TRP is better for saturday. Lack of news and the reason abt Channel not being popular for people is coming out clearly.

These results are BIG UPSET for Colors channel...business wise, because, how all their soaps rating drop in the same manner? BV and SSK going down is a BIG JHATKA for Colors, I think...

Here is the TRP break up for MEIEJ for week 6

Episode NoDateTRPHighlights
1864th Feb 2013

3.4Adventures of Rishbala: Trip to Ajja-Ajji's Village,
Part III- Madhu cooks, RK milks the cow and sing-song Bindiya Chamkegi
Sourabh Tewari Tweet, Colors Feb 9th Rishbala Marriage Promo
1875th Feb 20133.0Adventures of Rishbala: Trip to Ajja-Ajji's Village, Part IV- Madhu takes blessings from Ajji for successful married life and RK and Madhu return home amidst Mass hysteria of the Shocking and insensible Marriage Promo shown by Colors for MEIEJ and ST's Tweet about Big Twist.
1886th Feb 20132.9Filler or Thriller Episode?? Suraag doondho Mission by Dips and Viewers against RK, Rishbala getting ready to leave
1897th Feb 20132.7Madhu bids Good Bye to all - in her token appreciation of her relationship with Radhaji, memories within RK Mansion and polite alvida to Dipali and by informing her Mother
1908th Feb 20132.9Dips ki Khinchayi. Madhu ki Bidaayi, Rishbala ki Varmaala - Sampann
1919th Feb 20133.1Rishabh unweds Madhubala


Inference :Look at the GRP ratings.

GECs

GRPs (This week)

GRPs (Last week)

Star Plus

264

281

Zee TV

243

214

Colors

206

210

Sony TV

160

159

SAB TV

132

134

Life Ok

124

121

ZCN

120

117

Set Max

115

106

Gold

94

94

Movies Ok

61

49

Star Utsav

51

52

Sahara One

24

2


This week
The channels which gained this week are ZEE, SET MAX , Movies Ok and Sahara One and biggest loss is for Star Plus this week, where as it had steep rise in previous week 5

Overall 2 week analysis since new 4 new cities got added.
The channels which gained over the two weeks are STAR Plus, ZEE, SET MAX , Movies Ok and Sahara One.

That Zee moved ahead and Star fell back, means more cities were added or Zee investigated last week's drop and may be calculation was corrected in its favour.

So Colors did not lose a lot from last week, but the gain in other two channels Star Plus and Zee has made it look as if Colors top three shows fell. Interestingly all Colors top shows fell in the range of 17 to 22 % for prime time. Its two new shows also had a fall. There is no rating yet available for their weekend show Nautanki.

Clearly Colors should know the skewed results and its vision was to be Number one this year. They need to plan more.

As for the Fiction content, IMO, all three Top shows of Colors are dramatically poised at major upheaval tracks and actually positioned with interesting stories...their stories at this time grip the audience because, one single action from a member of the drama, finishes the tug of war...they are very closely tied at this moment. So the shows are not failing. All three of them still have their loyal audience which is in the range of 3 to 4 TRP, which is still good at this time. As the base increases, more cities are added, then Colors may actually find, it is not at all popular in rest of India 😆

So don't worry for MEIEJ Story...worry for Colors itself 😆

Originally posted by Azmatazz

I've probably posted this on every TRP thread today... So posting it here too Shri 😊
Slowly they are taking into consideration all the small towns and cities in India and according to the news they were to have entire India covered by the end of March. That i suppose was a deadline. Now you cannot deny the fact that Zee being the oldest channel has reach to the remotest of the cities in India. So its natural for Zee to gain... Besides SP too is an older channel with good reach.

Until last week i guess the TRP's were from Major metros and cities in India and colors does have a good hold there but not in the small towns as far as i know... So i guess it was kind of expected.

MEIEJ New Track - Popularity Analysis

Originally posted by DevilClan

It can't b new track. I went to my relatives house and they r intrestd in new track more than ever.

Originally posted by 0-SD-0
Agree. I too rule out. Infact all Colors Fiction Content at this time is doing fine. This is just the sample size and capturing of the data issues...

May be the shocks were expected...and all of them were waiting for full-scale shocks, so that they know what to be added.

If we think hard, because Colors is not popular, the channel tried to SAVE THEIR SATURDAYS through BV, SSK and MEIEJ airing and NOT ADDING NEW CONTENT of WHICH they are NOT SO SURE ABOUT.

Major OVERHAULING Needed for the CHANNEL and NOT the SHOWS.

<MEIEJ ROCKS !!!!!>

I am happy with current Madhubala track and I am still MEIEJ Zindabad 🥳

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Denouement continues ...Radhaji-RK and a hint or Bittuji-RK for tomorrow

Very beautiful episode with all right blend of colors. A very progressive feeling of things falling into place...was coming up. The two mothers in Pink, Bittuji in White, Dipali in red in the precap scene, RK in black for home clothes and brown for work clothes and Madhu in resplendent yellow and blue... Each character there in each of that color was symbolic of his or her reaction to the tsunami that had gone by, their emotions, their decisions and positioning of themselves to the persons in question.

Of course the entire episode was top class. But it like on Tuesday, when Padmini cursed him. Today, it was Radhaji....a sense of completion for me. I was expecting such emotional vent out between mother and son to happen...only that it was beyond my expectation and I was pleasantly surprised.

Although it hurt me to no end that RK conned Madhu and I cried last Tuesday (5th Feb) and since then more or less going by what they show, was deeply disgusted about the Monday episode...I was like wish I could have avoided seeing it, but then the stoic me was ,.,,,if I enjoyed good times and all times of the story, why not this ignominy, why leave Padmini and Madhu alone...let me as well see how ego and rage just takes over someone so mindlessly and senselessly and how it feels...all over again...I did not cry even on that day. I was being stoic and proud myself...holding my head high in honour and not crying. And today when Radhaji took RKs class in his bedroom and asked him and he answered and she smiled a little mockingly, to be soon angered, I had wet eyes. I was overwhelmed, because, now it was nothing about my self-esteem...now what can I lose...nothing...and when RK was not even threatening in any sense...the tears were not even sympathy for him...the tears just came out because I saw the hapless woman, who still has to continue being his mother..she cannot deny that it is her blood who did all this...where is she to go? even if she leaves, still how it not going be her blood who did this. The woman lost everything...and all she was doing was speaking up like never before...because she waited for 17 years for this...for this to see...to lose it all...and yet her mocking smile, released my emotion, because the woman decided to be there and be his tormenter and help Madhu get avenged...it was like I need to see him punished. Padmini cursed him, Madhu is choosing to forget and get indifferent (the correct reaction and decision) and Radhaji deciding to be the goad for RK on behalf of Madhu. She was like, now I want to see what happens to you. And so those tears that slipped out today were for Radhaji's conviction...the stance she took for her son and the girl whom he slighted.

Tomorrow, we are going to see Bittuji-RK and another denouement there...Not sure how it will go...but the white shirt that Bittuji put on...just as the color,...it was all about clarity.. of what matters to him now. He let his tears fall and with that tear, my heart swelled with pride. Seems he handed his resignation letter to his boss.

Madhu...in that different attire...that yellow and blue dress...was ultimate imagery of new journey, Hope, Activity, enlightenment...Personally I see it as Color of Jupiter. And yellow is visually always expansive...and that blue color,,,,,to me its staid majestic color of Saturn, who keeps showing us our limits...so a hope and yet so protected with knowledge of boundaries and limits...together the two colors are reservoirs of knowledge, a meaningful journey ahead. Madhu did not speak much, but her make-up, hair style and that dress of hers spoke so much to me. It communicated to me all her resolve...her grit and what is most important to her now...Her sruvival...and how...she wants to move on by first forgetting about it...

RK in that black T represented what black hole he was falling into with regards to his personal life...and in that brown shirt signified order, stability, normalcy and no nonsense as far as his work meant to him. I had no emotion for him today. I was just seeing him. He had his usual dialogues and they neither hurt me nor affected me...but I was all normal attention as usual. Ab woh jo hai so hai...

Best Scene of the Day
When Radhaji in competition broke 6 glasses and showed her helplessness and yet answered in full at her son's stupidity and how it was hurting her. She was just getting too impatient with his tantrums and she was like...now its my time...and when she threw that...she was upset that none of it was going to reap what she wanted and yet she had to do it. She wanted Madhu there, she cannot get it, she wanted God to do something and she has to wait, Her son was speaking in all truth to her and in such total respect and that allowed her to become like that and it was making her more angry and angry that he is truthful to her now. All of it was so irritating to her.

Best Moment of the Day
The tear that fell from Bittuji's eye and the moist eyes of him, how lovingly and yet suppliantly looking at his chief. It seemed he had no gile Shikwe (complaints, hurts) with his boss now that he decided something.

Precap...I am not even going there, Tomorrow is another day. But the colors are Red, Yellow and Blue again.

ETA:
I wrote Bittuji in White. In the repeat watch, realized the shirt's hue is pale blue. Sorry about that confusion caused. Not much difference does it make. Anyways, we will have that tomorrow again.
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So tje revenge revelation and betrayal happenx at night and the very next day madhu joins parlour? isnt that very very fast and unrealistic?? they cud have atleast said a week had passed.
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When Madhu first moved into RK's room, and woke up to find his arm on her
"Kya hua biwi? Koi bura sapna dekha kya tumne? Main aaya tha kya tumhare sapno mein?"

And today, now that she is not there, Radhaji told her son the exact same thing.

Madhu's cry of pain reached RK, in his mansion, disrupting his sleep. I couldn't believe that he could sleep after what he has done. But kudos to Radhaji. 👏 She showed the right balance of rage, disgust, and sarcasm when dealing with RK. She asked the questions to which I desperately want answers. Was the mother-son reunion a lie? No, says RK. And how can anyone trust him after his revenge? No answer.

I found the moment when RK looked at his reflection, in the mirror, to be particularly telling. He couldn't look himself in the eye.

Madhu got up and prepared tea.. I don't understand how she managed to do it. The girl who was so broken yesterday .. I underestimated her strength. I'm impressed. She is really trying to move on. And now she goes to get herself a job, lead life as it was, forgetting all that happened. I don't think that forgetting is going to help, though.. She seems to be burying her emotions. Not healthy. Best to get it all out .. have a good rant, break a couple of glasses a la Radhaji and RK.

Btw, am I the only one who things she is moving too fast, going to work (and managing to get one) the very next day?

And that talk between Mother and son was so necessary. It should have happened a long time ago. Better late than never, I guess. RK needed to told that he was not God. That he could not play God with someone. He needed to be told that his power and his shouting and his violence does not change the truth. And yet, what is the truth? Part of me refuses to believe that RK is after revenge and a part of me has begun accepting that, yes, it is revenge. So confused.

Either way RK has destroyed both his own and Madhu's life. Just the way, his presence will be around her through his posters and songs, Madhu's will be around him in the little things she did, which he took for granted, like the right amount of sugar in his tea.

Bittuji .. finally. So much is pegged on his reaction. I think he is there to resign. Good for him. But this also means that, should this revenge be fake, RK is the only one who knows the reason. That he is flying solo.

Dipaliii ... 😡😡 This woman .. I give up. She'll keep sinking to lower levels and now I don't give a damn about it. You will just never learn. But, I'm going to teach myself to not be surprised by the new lows you touch.
Edited by Angeena - 12 years ago
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The episode started with where it left off yesterday..
RK being awakened by Madhu's screaming of his name..Not being able to sleep..
Radha waiting in his room to talk to him.
Liked RK-Radha scene...There are very few people who can talk / scream / be mad at his
actions...Radha being ONE of them.
Back to Radha and RK -- Very true what she s aid -- Making a lot of noise will not make the
truth go away👍🏼...
Although not sure how much of an effect she will have on him
She asked very valid questions for which he never gave a proper answer and still kept trying
to convince her that HE does not love her and HAD to do what he did.😕
Also when she asked him if their reconciliation was also a lie..he explicitly said that both things
were things were different..
In a way CV's have answered all of our questions of whether that was a lie or not...kind of
LOOP CLOSURE

Madhu telling Padmini that she wanted to move on👍🏼 and go back to the person she was.
It is never easy to do that but the intention to move on and wanting to be the person she was
is a good thing👍🏼 The intention will give her the strength to actually make it happen👏
Liked those scenes...

Finally Bittuji arrives😊... I expected him to not side with RK on this one.
Am happy about it..👏
Whether RK is faking or actually taking a revenge 😕 can be a suspense
But Bittuji bonding with Madhu WAS real and WAS not a fake..
So happy that he is not siding with RK on this one👍🏼

This definitely shows CV's have something solid to show us.. because they cannot keep
changing everything after gauging people's opinions.. ATLEAST that is what I think.

Precap : Don't even want to go there. As I have always said Deepali's character brings a
big distaste in my mouth. Not too shocked by anything that she does.
Sometimes i feel she is like a dog whose bark is WORSE than her bite... As she is
always brought down to earth by someone😊 Wish it could be done forever..
WAIT 😆then there will be no spice to the story...

Actually at this point I don't even want to know WHY he did WHAT he did...
Just liking the WAY they are unfolding it...





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SD- The revenge article did come out in the local papers, acc to my mom, even the' mangalsutra snatching at the chawl' news. My mom saw that and was really upset. This was on last saturday, when the wedding or rather 'unwedding' took place. It is difficult to source the local news snippets online.

Also, Colors used to be a paid channel, ie: cable operators had to pay to get it...it was not part of any package deal. I don't know if that is still the case, it may have changed in the cities, but it may well be applicable in the Tier 2 cities. With digitization, that will change, Colors will be made be available all over.

Lots of changes taking place in the television industry. ...
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Originally posted by: Angeena

When Madhu first moved into RK's room, and woke up to find his arm on her

"Kya hua biwi? Koi bura sapna dikha kya tumne? Main aaya tha kya tumhare sapno mein?"

And today, now that she is not there, Radhaji told her son the exact same thing.

Madhu's cry of pain reached RK, in his mansion, disrupting his sleep. I couldn't believe that he could sleep after what he has done. But kudos to Radhaji. 👏 She showed the right balance of rage, disgust, and sarcasm when dealing with RK. She asked the questions to which I desperately want answers. Was the mother-son reunion a lie? No, says RK. And how can anyone trust him after his revenge? No answer.

I found the moment when RK looked at his reflection, in the mirror, to be particularly telling. He couldn't look himself in the eye.

Madhu got up and prepared tea.. I don't understand how she managed to do it. The girl who was so broken yesterday .. I underestimated her strength. I'm impressed. She is really trying to move on. And now she goes to get herself a job, lead life as it was, forgetting all that happened. I don't think that forgetting is going to help, though.. She seems to be burying her emotions. Not healthy. Best to get it all out .. have a good rant, break a couple of glasses a la Radhaji and RK.

And that talk between Mother and son was so necessary. It should have happened a long time ago. Better late than never, I guess. RK needed to told that he was not God. That he could not play God with someone. He needed to be told that his power and his shouting and his violence does not change the truth. And yet, what is the truth? Part of me refuses to believe that RK is after revenge and a part of me has begun accepting that, yes, it is revenge. So confused.

Either way RK has destroyed both his own and Madhu's life. Just the way, his presence will be around her through his posters and songs, Madhu's will be around him in the little things she did, which he took for granted, even it the right amount of tea.

Bittuji .. finally. So much is pegged on his reaction. I think he is there to resign. Good for him. But this also means that, should this revenge be fake, then RK is the only one who knows the reason. That he is flying solo.

Dipaliii ... 😡😡 This woman .. I give up. She'll keep sinking to lower levels and now I don't give a damn about it. You will just never learn. But, I'm going to teach myself to not be surprised by the new lows you touch.



Superb review, Angeena.👏⭐️

Especially agreed with the last two paras.⭐️

What a damn headache this track is. I never wanted to see Dipali gloating again.

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Originally posted by: minu_8

So tje revenge revelation and betrayal happenx at night and the very next day madhu joins parlour? isnt that very very fast and unrealistic?? they cud have atleast said a week had passed.


And people were crying so much about everything as if they had personal loss. Last night was like...can this night be done with...please...now it is done. Period...So what's next.

I think guys, you need to get back into fun mode. Be sarcastic. You have cried enough and the CVs are now goading you to put on your compassionate humour pack on. Since u were not going to get out from depression...a fast track injected so that atleast you react like this and get ready for new surprises.

Cheer up and get funny, mocking and sarcastic. But not in bitter, disappointed sense...in hopeful way that brings cheer on everyone's face. Happiness is not just about enjoying what u see on screen,,.it is also about participation and extension of it...how you carry forward the emotion of what you have seen..

All,
Having said that...I want all of you again to be CONTEXTUAL to Episode seen and not go about PREDICTING. Be reactive but not deflective...Thanks in advance.

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