Episode 194 Discussion: 13th Feb 2013

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Episode 194 Discussion: 13th Feb 2013


Welcome to the Episode discussion thread which we call as Viewer's and Reader's Respite. That's very apt, don't you think ? 😉. And that proves our objective.

Objective behind the thread is
  1. It helps in keeping the forum clean without much litter. People just need to fall in a habit.
  2. We can have it like breathers at first followed by analysis.
  3. It also helps like-minded souls and pals bond and gel together to drop in their thoughts for themselves as breathers and for their friends as a peep into the episode and for others to post their reviews.
  4. And those from different time-zones, who do not get to watch the episode at this time of telecast (Indian 8:30 PM), without any worry to trace or keep track of all their buddy's posts, they can come here, read with leisure and later post their analysis after watching it from their Time zones.

For those who cannot watch can have the Live/Written Updates.
Today's LU from : Armu4eva
  • There are various other threads all over the forum. Please check out those as well. This is just one choice out of so many.
  • Readers are encouraged to post links of other members posts which had been "delightful read" towards analysis of episodic event/s or character analysis. It becomes an easy navigation in the myriad of posts and pages and can easily be overlooked.
  • The link to present day ED thread is always provided in the previous one discussed.Those who participated in previous thread can go to my posts and check the previous thread to get access to new link.
  • The link to Previous Episode thread if anyone wants to trace and post thoughts there. https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3434010/episode-193-discussion-12th-feb-2013

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Episode 194 Discussion - EOD Summary

To Lut Gaye Hum Teri Mohabbat Mein

Events of the episode
Tadap Tadap ke is Dil se aah nikalti hai...song is played. Shocked Madhu led by Padmini, taken to Chawl. Trishna comes there and together she and Padmini, try jolting Madhu out of her stupor. Padmini, unwillingly but very stoically starts taking the green bangles from Madhu's hands. When she goes for Madhu's Mangalsutra, Madhu instinctively grabs hold of it and after a minute herself pulls it hard and walks to the closet and keeps it safely there...looks as if she needs to preserve it. Then she listless falls down on the bed corpse like. As she tries to close her eyes and sleep away or forget away everything, she starts remembering all that RK said to her. She jolts herself up in pain, in derison and runs out. Padmini wants to follow her, Trishna stops her and asks let Madhu be alone. They however follow Madhu behind keeping an eye on her. As Madhu walks over the corrider, she sees a movie poster fof RK with title being Ahankaar. Madhu feels very closely about the larger than life size poster of RK and as she keeps looking at RK's face, her eyes rest on the word Ahankaar (Ego). Suddenly reality starts dawning on her that how that ego has destroyed her love and how now she stands there betrayed in love. A very surreal experience Madhu goes through looking at the poster, RK and Ahankaar looming bigger and bigger for her and she breaks out of her stupor. She starts letting go of her pain...Trishna and Padmini support her.


Episode Reviews
Page 1 -Gurtiluv, reenap, Angeena, dramacrazy12, Soundarya
Page 2 - Leela, Anastasia21, vkk2429, Ananya, Sub_Ram, pnars
Page 3 - supercool3, Charu
Page 4 - MarathiMulgi
Page 5 - AreYaar, zoya_naziya
Page 6 - SD, sadumaneet
Page 12 - supercool3
Page 13 - Kt25


*****Source of Revenge understood vis-a-vis Superstar RK. Ordinary Girl Madhu, their respective characters, upbringing, their mothers and through occupational requirement*****.
As initiated by dramacrazy12, anastasia21 and later joined by Leela. Please go through the thread to find the notes interspersed thoughout the thread.


Page 7 - Song translation for Tadap Tadap ke is Dil se aah nikalti hai by Ananya


Pictorial Commentary - Episodic

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Originally posted by: zorica

Excellent episode. Drama!
I'm going to read analysis.




Funny Commentary

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evil rk needs a mustache to twirl...which one should he go for?


Originally posted by: PreetD


@ bold...

What about a top hat and a monocle?? What's a good villian without a top hat and a monocle. I think it would just complete the picture!


Edited by 0-SD-0 - 12 years ago
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I want the curses to come true even if RK was not taking revenge because he humiliated Madhu to such an extent. But there is still some part of me that wants thinks that there is more to the story. Becasue pure revenge will be too harsh to except and believe someone is this inhumane. But if I were in Madhu shoes I wouldn't want anything to do with him either way. I'm sure Madhu will feel the same way once she comes out of shock.

The start of the episode was very nicely done I though. Tadap from Hum Dil is still one of the most heart wrenching songs. The best way to accept something terrible for me has always been listening to emotional music that evokes the right emotion so they can come out. Afterwards you can move on. The way the showed flashbacks of everything in reverse order are like RK has undone everything they shared from emotions to fond memories. Everything is fake nothing was there at least in the eyes of Madhu now. Madhu is still having coming out of shock. Everyone in the chawl stares at her like not knowing whether to have sympathy or just shocked with the same questions and dilemma she has going on in her mind to a much more intense extent. I have felt like slapping Trishna today along with RK. Whenever she feels like cursing her sister she does and now all the sudden this sympathy comes from where??

Look at the irony here? Madhu use to be the girl who use to ask her mother why she still keeps the nishani of animal. Why she doesn't move on with life and still fulfills relationships that are not worthy of her mother. I never have thought of Madhu as a week girl NEVER but everyone has week moments in our lives. We cannot always be strong as we would like to because the heart stops us it is a very sentimental things that melts very easily. Look how quickly Madhu recovered from shock though emotional scarring is still there. But being able to break her manglsutar and accept that RK has taken revenge when we here still have some light of hope is very good thing. She has long passed the phase of denial. Madhu is now my idol. If I do continue with the show it will only be to route for her. If only she could have gone and threw it in RK's face but I guess she is saving it for some very secret purpose. That she too will have her opportunity to show RK the mirror and that is what will be the reminder. She was to save it as a nishani of her foolish mistake of falling in love perhaps so she never goes down the same path again. Is she turning into another RK?

Meanwhile back at the circus house Dipali still thinks she has a chance with RK. What the hell she will be stuck in some kind of huge chaotic hurdle like a fire or tsunami and still thinking the same thing. Sikki would still be hilariously clueless. Sikki showed sympathy for Madhu today im getting more and more convinced that he in fact has a heart. I loved him for innocently showing Dipali the mirror. Trishna finally feels the impact of her words. Thank you does it mean she will think before talking from now on? I don't know? But Padmini is right the only one to blame here is RK! Madhu may be able to move on with her life but the emotional scarring will always be there. RK the one who shares the scars himself, what else could have caused him to do the same to the one person that loves him? Madhu realizes that this is what RK wants a defeated Madhu will she realize that the only way to make his revenge unfruitfull is to become the same vibrant girl again? Let's hope so!!!

Maybe it would have been better had Madhu had gone into an environment where everyone at first is trying to divert her attention at first because Paddy and Trishna only reminded of her how deep her wounds were. But it can also be very healthy since she will need to get over them at some time so might as well deal with the pain now instead of staying emotionally numb and not dealing with them. Finally all the emotion emotions come out that would be the conclusion and point to this episode.

PS. DD deserves some applaud today the pain of Madhu reached out to the viewers. Last scene particulary well done.👏👏👏
Edited by Gurtiluv - 12 years ago
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Tadap Tadapke Is Dil Se Aah Nikalti Rahi Hai
Mujhko Saza Di Pyaar Ki Aisa Kya Gunaah Kiya
To Lut Gaye Haan Lut Gaye
To Lut Gaye Hum Teri Mohabbat Mein



Heart wrenching episode and DD mindblowing performance...
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Rewind back to the ole days.. The days when life was simple, where RK hated Madhu, Madhu hated RK and there was no pretense about it.

You are different from Madhu, Dipali, because Madhu knows who she is and has no doubts about it. Dipali, on the other hand, has to constantly remind herself of her worth.
Sikky felt sorry for Madhu, couldn't believe what RK has done to her. However, being the weak-willed character that he is, he fell inline with his wife, but not before reminding her that she, herself, is a chawlwali. But at least, there is some conscience. Wonder where it vanished to when he was plotting to blackmail RK?

Madhu, Padmini, Trishna .. While Padmini took of the green bangles, sughag ki nishani, Madhu took off the mangalsutra herself, finally some movement. I could only feel relief, now she will react. Seeing her in that silent state was sapping me of my energy. Was I the only one who thought of Trishna as a hypocrite in this scene?

Trishna's curse .. Ananya, Charu, et al. had already discussed this at length in yesterday's episode thread. She regretted it, and I can only wait to find out if Padmini will ever regret her own. After all, these curses always manage to come into fruition, usually in the way you wouldn't want them to.
When Madhu walked away and stopped to look at the movie poster .. Did the name of the movie have to be Ahankaar? Ego? Seriously?

When Madhu finally came out of shock, it was distressing to watch. No one should have to suffer like that, for any reason. And all the while RK was looming in the background, through the poster. All it does is remind me of Madhu's mini-breakdown in a rickshaw when rumors of her supposed affair with RK started doing the rounds. Everywhere you turn, RK will be there in some form or the other, reminding you constantly of his betrayal.

The precap, honestly, I felt it was rather similar to the way Padmini was shaking Madhu to force a reaction out of her. RK was silent not looking at his mother at all, before finally shouting out.

While the acting was good, it was, without a doubt, a draining episode..
Edited by Angeena - 12 years ago
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Another Emotional Episode which brought tears😭 in my eyes. DD hats off!
Edited by bcbs_srk - 12 years ago
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Nothing much happenned in today's episode. We see a glimpse of aftermath

1)Maliks are shattered...Madhu is hysterical as reality begans to sink in.
2)Dips, smart as she is notices that even though RK claims to have never loved Madhu yet she has managed to make place in RK's life in some perverse way...something that no one else ever succeeded in doing before
3)Radha questions If RK ever felt anything ever for Madhu ...RK still denies it and is deadbent on making sure it never happens.
On a side note ...regardless of the content and how we feel about it , every single episode has been superlative in terms of execution, acting and sound. Kudos for the team👏👏👏
There are a few questions that came up in my mind-
1) Who is responsible for all that has happened to Madhu? Is it fate, Is it truly RK or was it Madhu? Is it fair to cry foul when you provoke a sleeping lion, try to tame him and then get eaten by it just because you thought he was a cuddly cat? Padmini blamed it all on RK...what about her role in this entire fiasco and I did mean when she did not rein in her daughter who went after RK with a vengeance after Mukund accident.
2)Power is as much about perception as it is about wielding it. How do you think RK would have been perceived in the industry if he had let Madhu go scotfree or had gone soft? How do we perceive guys who have gone soft after falling in love or getting married in our day to day life?
3)Power corrupts..RK had power over the world and Madhu seemed to have power over RK. We have seen RK's corruption but did we see instances of Madhu's corruption too?
4)Mother is the first teacher of a child...we see Radha as a weak woman, Dips as ammoral and probably his costars are ambitious sort ...what perception does RK have of a female based on the people he is surrounded with?
5)What role do you think the assistants play in the ego play of a superstar?
@ Shri: You made a very interesting comment about Raavan in last thread...I have a lot to say about that...will update later
Edited by dramacrazy12 - 12 years ago
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Episode summary:
Padmini walks back home with Madhu, she has to pull her along because Madhu is in a deep state of shock. They reach home, trishna also comes home, they both try to shake madhu into crying, paddy removes the green bangles, reaches out for the mangalsutra, when Madhu pulls it off herself. She walks in a zombie state, places it in the cupboard and lies down flat on the bed, with her eyes unblinking. As the night moves on, Paddy and Trishna are unable to sleep, keep watch over madhu. Trishna blames herself for this, she says she cursed her with marital unhappiness.
Madhu wakes up and rushes out, stops near a poster of RK's movie, the title being Ahankaar. She keeps thinking of her lovely, moments with RK, and smiles. Suddenly she realises where she is and starts screaming for RK. SHe asks Paddy and trishna if RK really cheated her, she cries to trishna saying, what do i do, how will i live!! .

Prec-cap: Radha questions RK

A huge huge round of applause to DD👏
  • Scene where she falls flat on the bed...i actually thought something had happened to her, her eyes staring unblinking at the ceiling
  • When she starts screaming for RK, I literally had goosebumps
  • When she cries to Trishna, I felt like crying
Don't know where the track is going but every episode has been fabulous so far ever since friday. Maybe I cannot watch them again because they are gut wrenching, but each episode is worth a watch!

Kudos to the MB team! Am still waiting patiently for the plot to unravel😕.

PS: Am purposely ignoring Dips-Sikky scene. Same old thing.



Edited by Soundarya22 - 12 years ago
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DD was fabulous. Absolutely flawlessly perfect. Every moment, every nuance, every reaction, every emotional range - outstanding.👏⭐️

One could not notice anything else besides her - neither the other actors in the frame nor their interactions - except as background.⭐️

Was glad to see that the CVs are balancing things out in ep-content of the leads.😊

In yesterday's ep, VD had all the dialogues, and DD was a powerful presence throughout but with not a word to say, and I was worried that they would let that situation remain for a couple more eps.

But in this ep, it was the other way around.😊

The physical presence, the dialogues, the emotional command in this ep was DD's entirely, and she gave a fabulous performance through every moment of the ep.⭐️

VD's actual presence in the ep was at the start of the ep and in the precap at the end, but the flashbacks and the huge billboard poster of RK's movie marked his place throughout this ep as much as DD's physical presence had marked hers in yesterday's ep even despite Madhu's silence and Padmini's dialogues.⭐️

Had not wanted the mangalsutra and green glass bangles removed or broken because they would specify future track aspect in focus on RK.

But with the damn suspense🤢 (courtesy the MEIEJ CVs) not even remotely easing its stranglehold, I'm just relieved that we now know - unless the CVs are truly bent on outraging TRP audiences reassuringly programmed expectations - that RK is in peril of his life.

Also glad - on account of serials symbolism - that the bangles were removed unbroken, and that Madhu managed to break off the mangalsutra at the clasp-point without scattering the beads, and then stored it away.

Previous several such serial instances indicate that there are two possible outcomes.

Madhu will put it on again when she finds out what the real situation is, or RK will adorn her with it with full respect and adoration later.

This ep was not studded with the usual gem-level of dialogues, but the dialogues held a different level - neither better nor less - with poignancy and a delicate interweaving of past, present and foreshadowing threads, without even a hint of overt clumsiness. Superb.⭐️

And Trishna's reaction today to her curse's effect (Does this mean the CVs are done with her curse's utility in the storyline? MEIEJ does tend to compress points and tracks with stunningly powerful effect. Apparently the current suspense is their exception that proves the rule.) may be a very mild prelude compared to Padmini's reaction the day *she* thinks her own illwishing had effect.😭

Perhaps the most powerful scene today - and I'm having a hard time picking just one because DD held attention riveted magnificently through every damn heartbreaking instance of this ep - was when Madhu comes out of catatonia and hysterically pleads with her mother and sister, her every line contradicting the one before, the emotion seeming to permeate the very screen.😭👏 Awesome.⭐️

Dialoguewise too, the scene was heartwrenchingly well-etched, and the best of the ep.👏

Regarding the precap, nothing was likely to come out of Radha's effort except hopefully in RK's reaction that at least the viewers may get to see.

Whatever the reason that he was willing to devastate Madhu for, his mother holds not a fraction as much hold over his heart.

With Madhu's life in peril at Balraj's hands, RK's focus and terror for Madhu had precluded his mother and all others.

So if his purpose this time held him unyielding to *Madhu*, then his mother is not perhaps the person he would break silence and lay all his effort or purpose bare in front of.

So if Radha tries to get through to him, she may succeed (probably unknowingly) in anguishing him, but she is unlikely (though not absolutely so) to be at all effective in shaking his performance if he has determined that he cannot afford to fail his act.

RK may adore his deceased father, but he was willing to make him part of his claims of pretence in order to convince Madhu of the depth of the 'love-deception'.

So there is nothing Radha or anyone can say or use against him that he has not already prepared to bear or lose.

He cannot rely on his mother to do anything too horrendously unpleasant for necessity, especially not if it will make Radha look bad.

Which makes it almost certain that Bittuji is the one he would place reliance on to accomplish whatever end. Wonder if Bittuji will be seen at least tomorrow.😕

I have previously described this as - for me and many others - the most wretched week of MEIEJ-viewing.

Today, have to give credit where it's most definitely due, and admit that every one of these eps (none of which I may perhaps rewatch until the end of this emotionally jarring track) are - in acting, dialogue and every cast's and crew's efforts - superb.👏⭐️

That said, would appreciate it beyond words if the CVs would please be so gracious as to at least clear the most stressful of the suspense this week - whichever way the MEIEJ wind blows - rather than wait into next week. Please?

Edited by leelaa9 - 12 years ago
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Meh episode. Had to happen.

Yash Thakur presents "Ahankaar" - very tacky but apt. I would like to know RK's rest of the filmography.

Loved that they used "Tadap Tadap Ke". Didn't listen to that in a long time.

So Trishna drops in today. And realizes that her curses did come true. Whats with the show and all the cursing and closing of loops. I didn't expect her to gloat because that would have been a dumb move. But too much crying on their part. Through out the scene where they begged, scolded and finally threatened Madhu to cry, I could only see how many rings Padmini was wearing and Trishna's neon pink nail polish. What was her logic for not going after Madhu again? Couldn't make head or tails of it. God what will happen when Shamsher comes home! Hell breaks loose!

She put the mangalsutra in the cupboard. Maybe it'll be significant later. Or maybe I am just so used to seeing "people throw stuff around that they can't stand" on TV, I was expecting some bigger gesture. But the way she slumped down on the bed summed up what life has become for her. For now. Drashti was good. Goodish. Actually after 3 back to back powerful episode I think them and us. all are tired. And I have toughened up too.

Sikky gets a shout out today for reminding us again that Dipali is a chawl-girl herself. 👏 Sikky, man up and get rid of her already.

No RK today. At least he didn't speak. His throat needs to rest.
As to the fact that his melancholic expression may have implied he was missing Madhu, I will say there's only so much a man can gloat.

The more excruciating question for now is, subah kab hogi?😡 It has been the same day since last Thursday. I am ready to move on to the next day.


Edited by anastasia21 - 12 years ago

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