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TBDRESS

@TBDRESS

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Posted: 13 years ago

Mahatma Gandhi would seriously roll over in his grave (if he had a grave) after watching HD 🤣Why is this show so obesessed with violence? It doesen't even spare a 8 year old. Since when is using violence to make your point a mark of strength? There is a lot of talk on the forum today about Rishi's slap. I absoultely hated it and it seems like most people on the forum agree. But there are a few more instances of violence that have happened in the past on HD and I didn't see the forum objecting. The 3 that I'd like to mention:

1) I can't remember exactly when this happened but I remember the scene clearly. Inder sharma beating Jhumpa with a stick while Indira and Kutumb stood around as spectators (for some reason I found this scene espeically objectionable and was appalled to see the two women standing around watching another woman being abused)

2) Indira engaging in a slapping session with Mandira after the test cheating fiasco

3) Inder Sharma slapping Kutumb after Indira-Rishi's marriage secret is revealed

So the question I'd like to ask is: Is there ever justification for violence in our personal lives?

I'm not talking about violence in general (wars, death penalty, punishment for criminals like rapists etc so please keep the discussion limited to violence in personal relationships only- just using violence to express our anger/frustration in our personal lives. And I'd like to restrict the discussion to just adults (I'll give Indu a free pass this time😆 )

For me, the answer is a big no. It doesen't matter how angry you are, it doesen't matter how much the other person has wronged you or disappointed you- to me physical violence is never acceptable. Can I understand why someone may engage in it in a fit of anger- absolutely! But it is never justifiable in my eyes- not even when the person at the receiving end is Jhumpa. So if I object to Rishi slapping Zara today, I am also strongly opposed to all the previous instances in the show when various characters have engaged in physical violence to express their anger.

Would love to hear everyones thoughts on this. And this is my way to spread a message of non-violence- a tribute to MG.

Edit: I'm not talking about violence in general (wars, death penalty, punishment for criminals like rapists etc so please keep the discussion limited to violence in personal relationships only. If a person commits a crime, I'm going to assume that they should be handled by the justice system.

Edited by Walden - 13 years ago

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Posted: 13 years ago

i want to comment on two scenes more you have highlighted here:

about this scene jhumpa has destroyed innocent childhood of Indira and life of kutumb so donot you think she deserves to be beaten 😲 - ya tho vahi baat huyenaaa like in India when someone commits crime(big or small) and before he/she got some punishment,, politicians or some community starts andolan to give forgiveness to the person saying humanity (rape hi kyuna kiya ho or due to him/her some family may get destroyed koi baat nahin send him to some center as he needs some preach and we should make him good citizen instead of punishing him right😭) -

so you want Indira and kutumb to go and stop Inder preaching humanity 🤔 so what their lifes are destroyed by the same woman... i donot think so 😕

2) Indira engaging in a slapping session with Mandira after the test cheating fiasco

if a child does wrong and if parents punish him/her from when it became a wrong 😲 mandira is like daughter to Indira and she spoiled her whole live by doing that fiasco...

i accept as this is a show they add little masala type to highlight the scenes 😆

about 3rd scene i wonot support Inder as he has no right to slap kutumb or any of his family as he left them 😡 - during this slap i remember topics are made bashing Inder .. no one liked Inder slapping kutumb

Edited by preethimadhavg - 13 years ago

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Saumya

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Posted: 13 years ago

👏 a very very nice post. I love your posts, precise and to the point.

People justified Rishi on the forum when he was not right. I too did not like that but then are right when they say that no one said this when Indira slapped Rishi and others.

Also, I can't get over how Rishi was going to justify Zara's act to Indu when he thought she heard them. I just can't hate him because of all these small gestures. But obviously what he did was not the right thing to do.

Preeti di , I would just want to make a point about the first incident. Inder had no rights to beat Jhumpa and yes Indira should not have been a silent spectator at that instance. Because it was not Jhumpa alone who destroyed the innocent childhood of Indira, Inder himself was at fault. Instead Inder was more at fault than Jhumpa because his family was his responsibility and not Jhumpa's.

Edited by _saumya_ - 13 years ago

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innocent.aman

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Posted: 13 years ago

cvc we know as trp are 2.4 you will continue to drag this track😭

but cvc ila mata please redeem rishi show us that rishi who is now interested to slove this mystry or zara is a cop but i dont think cvc will slove this mytry till trp drops😆

please show us loving caring rishi again who listen to his rooh ki awaz

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AllThingsNice

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Posted: 13 years ago

One of Kabir's dohas talks about how the mind, which is like a free bird, is at liberty to go wherever it likes. But the pitfall is that it becomes very much like the company it keeps.

In the context of Rishi, this could be considered as true. Maybe the extended stay in the SN zoo has made him like its inhabitants. That's sad because Rishi is not like them at all. But it still does not justify anything.

Having said that, though, its really tough to find a justification for Indira's slapping habit or Inder's beating up of Jhumpa. There could be a thousand reasons for anger, but to find even one reason for that anger to translate into violence is not going to be easy. If anything, it shows extreme lack of control.

Point is, no one has had a perfect childhood. And Life will throw every possible challenge at you. Its natural to think that Life has been particularly gruesome to you when compared to others. But the choice of what you want to be rests solely with you.

Do you want to be the kind of person that is controlled and overwhelmed by the situation? Or do you want to be the kind of person that faces a situation and is in control of yourself under any given circumstance? Change, as a phenomenon, is inevitable. But just as situations have to be managed, so do emotions. And change ought to be in favour of personal growth.

I think that's the thing that I disliked most about Rishi's slap. That he has become something that he is not.

Through my conversation with Heema yesterday, I could understand Rishi's frustration. I can also understand Indira's bitterness. Coping with a family like that can drain anyone emotionally. But no, the tendency towards using violence to grapple with a situation (or a disquieting emotion) cannot be explained in any way.

In real life and in general, I think slapping someone takes a lot of courage (at least for normal people). HD makes it look really simple 😆

Gandhiji, Walden?? A tribute to Gandhiji? Are you a fan/follower? Have you read his writings closely? I am essentially in disagreement with some of his ideas and am looking for someone who can educate me about him. Basically, a lot of discussion surrounds Gandhiji, but none of it is undistorted. Would not want to impose this on you, but would you mind an offline discussion on him? Maybe you could direct me to some reading material about him (I tried reading some of his writings, but did not make it through till the end) that could help me look at him more impartially. Do let me know.

Edited by AllThingsNice - 13 years ago

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Heema22

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Posted: 13 years ago

Great post !!! Lovely read !!

Personally I do not approve of any physical violence ! I will not tolerate it or let it happen in my presence ,!!! Domestic violence is not acceptable either !!!

But we live in real world !!!! People react the way they do for many reason!! Once,I had horrible experience . lady was ding and very loving husband slapped her in front of me!! I was shocked .I was in the hospital so I had to be perfect, but took him on side and question him about his action. I did not pass any judgement because I saw him at his wife's bed side every single day. Holding her hand and crying. Not eating !! This was 35 yr old couple !!! He told me I never touch her like that before , I only hugs her smothered her with my love but she deserves this for leaving me alone in this world alone to suffer and cry. I question him about his hard slap and he told me. That slap is for her to think about me when she is missing me in heaven . I want her to miss me and reach to her face and remember my kisses also !!! It thought me great lesson of my life .

I never approved of Inder beating Jumpa and Kutumb and Indira watched with out interfering at humanity level .I could not believe no one seems to have objection. I thought I was in minority !! Thanks for company.

Indira's slapp to Mandira was not just either , she never ask her the whole strory an how it happened ? And why she did it .

Many times we saw Indira slapping Rishi , many people had no objection for it . surprisingly ,I read few post about "deseving it" posts and I even saw some write that they really enjoyed the that slap. . How do you enjoy pain inflicted on other?? It's beyond me !!! This was not to my surprise that yesterday every one was in bandwagon to criticized Rishi . Does this validate your last post about double standers for male and female? Is it OK for woman who is consider weak to slap strong man and its not OK for Man to slap woman ? VERY INTERSTING TO ME!!

of course Rishi was wrong but I understood his anger just the way I understood Indira few times!! It was not just but he was very upset about LW and look at the timing of his slap . It came right after Zara spoke about LW where about ! So just put yourself in his condition. I think he slapped himself !!!!

Anger, and control issues are very complexed some of us have control and some of us do not. Depends of kind of hurt which was the source of that rage! So who an I to approve or disapprove? I am not that person !!!!!!!!!

Seriously . MG?

Edited by Heema22 - 13 years ago

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Heema22

@Heema22

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Posted: 13 years ago

QUOTE from Kanans post

Exacts same reaction . I have lots of mixed feeling . No offense to any one !!! my POV after reading lots of History books, my favorite subject!!

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Saumya

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Posted: 13 years ago

that is exactly my point Heema di!

Nothing can justify that slap but he is of course going through a lot and over reacted.

Sometimes when I am irritated I shout on my friends and they accept it and so do I when my friends are in those phases. I am wrong when I shout on that person when it is actually my frustration that I am venting out on them but then almost all of us do it.

But that is how certain things are I guess. That slap was of course a wrong move but its again his subconscious and not really him. If there is anything to blame then it is his temper and situations. He has tried to maintain cool for quite sometime and he just lost it. Wrong but no one is to blame.

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Heema22

@Heema22

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: _saumya_
that is exactly my point Heema di!

Nothing can justify that slap but he is of course going through a lot and over reacted.
Sometimes when I am irritated I shout on my friends and they accept it and so do I when my friends are in those phases. I am wrong when I shout on that person when it is actually my frustration that I am venting out on them but then almost all of us do it.
But that is how certain things are I guess. That slap was of course a wrong move but its again his subconscious and not really him. If there is anything to blame then it is his temper and situations. He has tried to maintain cool for quite sometime and he just lost it. Wrong but no one is to blame.

@ bold

I have seen this at my work place too . I work for trauma unit, and surgeons come out of OR and Start Yelling and getting outraged because of what happen inside. Are they wrong? Or just humans? How can I tell, them to control them selves when they are in pain? So it depends on situation !!

@ underline

This is not about right or wrong this is about Rishis inner conflicts , years of depression and no solution in sight situation. This man just had it with his life !!!! Frustrating indeed!!

No one likes cry baby Rishi . No one likes out of control Rishi either he never will be perfect and we need to accept this !!!i know I have!!

Edited by Heema22 - 13 years ago

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TBDRESS

@TBDRESS

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: preethimadhavg
i want to comment on two scenes more you have highlighted here:

1) I can't remember exactly when this happened but I remember the scene clearly. Inder sharma beating Jhumpa with a stick while Indira and Kutumb stood around as spectators (for some reason I found this scene espeically objectionable and was appalled to see the two women standing around watching another woman being abused)

about this scene jhumpa has destroyed innocent childhood of Indira and life of kutumb so donot you think she deserves to be beaten 😲 - ya tho vahi baat huyenaaa like in India when someone commits crime(big or small) and before he/she got some punishment,, politicians or some community starts andolan to give forgiveness to the person saying humanity (rape hi kyuna kiya ho or due to him/her some family may get destroyed koi baat nahin send him to some center as he needs some preach and we should make him good citizen instead of punishing him right😭) -
so you want Indira and kutumb to go and stop Inder preaching humanity 🤔 so what their lifes are destroyed by the same woman... i donot think so 😕

2) Indira engaging in a slapping session with Mandira after the test cheating fiasco
if a child does wrong and if parents punish him/her from when it became a wrong 😲 mandira is like daughter to Indira and she spoiled her whole live by doing that fiasco...

i accept as this is a show they add little masala type to highlight the scenes 😆

about 3rd scene i wonot support Inder as he has no right to slap kutumb or any of his family as he left them 😡 - during this slap i remember topics are made bashing Inder .. no one liked Inder slapping kutumb

Regarding the Mandira issue, I would say that Mandira was definitely a adult when this happened (yes I consider everyone 16 or above an adult because their rational faculties are well developed at this point). So by your reasoning, a parent can hit his/her child at any age as long as they feel that teh child (who is now an adult) has done something wrong.

I don't understand why you don't support Inder slapping Kutumb- going by your reasoning, physical violence is okay as long as the person who you're assaulting has done something really bad. So if I follow your reasoning, Kutumb did a lot of terrible things to Indira (I don't think I need to give examples). So why can't Inder slap her for all these wrongs. Or is it that the person slapping also needs to have a clean perosnal track record (no moral failings) in order to engage in assaultng others.

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