Episode 159 Discussion: 2nd Jan 2013

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Episode 159 Discussion: 2nd Jan 2013


Welcome to the Episode discussion thread which we call as Viewer's and Reader's Respite. That's very apt, don't you think ? 😉. And that proves our objective.

Objective behind the thread is
  1. It helps in keeping the forum clean without much litter. People just need to fall in a habit.
  2. We can have it like breathers at first followed by analysis.
  3. It also helps like-minded souls and pals bond and gel together to drop in their thoughts for themselves as breathers and for their friends as a peep into the episode and for others to post their reviews.
  4. And those from different time-zones, who do not get to watch the episode at this time of telecast (Indian 8:30 PM), without any worry to trace or keep track of all their buddy's posts, they can come here, read with leisure and later post their analysis after watching it from their Time zones.

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Episode 159 Discussion - EOD Summary

When Slap grows heavier than the Prank.
Daamad ne Saasuma se mazaak kiya to Saasuma ne Daamaad ko thappad mara!

Events of the Episode
  1. Padmini and Shamsher's love for each other comes out in the open as each of them reveal their true states of overwhelming emotion felt for each other when they hear that the other is extremely hurt.
  2. The prank had been played by RK on Padmini and Shamsher as a hoax accident call placed to either. Both the daughters are witness to this drama. Padmini slaps RK at the prank played on them.
  3. RK does not mind it, apologizes to the entire family for the prank played by him, and especially to Padmini. Then he goes on to explain that it was necessary for him to play it otherwise, his sasurjee and saasuma would never have accepted their feelings and regard for each other. He asks them to think over it and give a meaning to their relationship.
  4. Trishna is upset that her her mother has been distressed. She asks RK to stop interfering in her parents lives. RK asks her to keep herself away as well as she need not interfere or influence her parents lives and it is their decision to marry or not.
  5. Padmini and Shamsher do a lot of soul searching in the night as they think over the incident and how it brought forth all their hidden emotions for each other.
  6. At night Madhu and RK, equally disturbed and happy at days events, agree that they caused distress to Madhu's parents, but also see the hope that they will come around in due time. They seek solace in each other's company to get the draught of happiness being supportive to each other. In the process RK takes down two of the pillows from their Deewar.

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Page 2 - SD, zorica, zoya_naziya, Ananya05,
Page 3 - SD, Savz_uniqueblis
Page 4 - MarathiMulgi, kt25, Soundarya

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anyone else feel RK actually enjoyed the thappad Padddy gave him? I means his own mother never had the guts to show her rights over him. Most of the time she was mute. Maybe had she been more assertive of her role as a mother he would have come into it. There is a saying mothers only slap those they consider their own and feel they have a right over. So Padmini must have thought the same as before RK has done many things like taken her daughter away from her in front of her eyes and she stood quiet. I think today he got the homely and nurturing feeling he might have been craving for sometime. When he uttered the dialogue "both dino baad makeup ka nayi thapad ka nishan hai" I thought he was going to say thank you afterwards. He has the feeling of a genuine gesture and not something made up.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Padmini, Malik and RK - Take a bow for today's episode. 👏

You guys executed this drama clearly,concisely. RK, you answered our questions about tumhari yeh bachkana harkat and you deserved the slap that Padmini bestowed on you. Padmini your eyes should have been blazing fire all the time and you should have followed Madhu's example and given 3 more (remember magic of 4? ) 😊

Both Madhu and Trishna should have been shocked but for different reasons. Madhu should have been appalled at the way RK handled this and Trishna too stunned to speak anything since she had no background about this drama. Both failed miserably to come across such (methinks).

I have a rant for Trishna's underdeveloped character in this story but I will save it for a different post nahi toh yeh bada nibandh hi ho jayega.

Even though Trishna finds this later than everyone else, she still fails to grasp the gist of it. She who has lived with them practically all her life, has no sense at all to realize ki are why did I not see this before? She falls back to her selfish ways and blames Madhu and RK for yet another unhappy incident in their life.
Think about it - Who will be most directly affected by Malik-Padmini shadi? Trisha that's who. RK and Madhu will go back to their mansion but when Malik comes in the house, Trishna may have to move out and bunk with Roma. She may have realized this on a subconcious level and hence maybe her first reaction is a denial and blaming RK-Madhu as usual.

I fail to understand the scene between Radha and Madhu. Arghhh!!!! 😡 Totally unnecessary. I wonder why is she keeping tabs on comings and goings of RK and madhu. Bhai dono adults hein, can keep whatever timings they want. Is Madhu getting dumber by the day and she just cannot keep her mouth shut the moment she sees her MIL? Either explain the entire scene or keep quiet. Yeh kya bat hui just bolna ki maa ne RK ko thappad mara? It's like she just came back from school and is complaining to her mother about a fight she saw.

Liked RK's dialogues about Padmini and Malik being superstars in their life and how their love story superhit honi hi hai. As everyone says, removing pillows is totally dreamy scene. Liked RK's attempt to get their own love story get going forward. 😊

Precap - Ballu is back and has met Trishna. Obviously he wants to know, why she ran away and Trishna is sort of whining. I don't want to comment on her at all.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Today was a rather good ep.😃

The acting of 'Trishna' was not upto the mark of 'Shamsher', 'Padmini', 'RK' and 'Madhu'. But that's quite standard.😛

But the scenes were very well-etched.😳

I found especially interesting the reaction from Madhu, Shamsher and Trishna to Padmini slapping RK.😊

One could almost visualize a crashslide down memorylane to every time a Mallick - Shamsher, Madhu - had attacked him physically.😕

But the reaction to a slap depends on the context.

The person slapping may *think* they are right. But if the person being slapped doesn't agree or at least care enough to understand, the reaction is going to be bad.

Madhu had also slapped RK, and had been naive enough to think she was ending things.

His reaction had been extreme because he felt every provocation - every starting attack - had been from her.

He did not care about her then that he would make allowances for her being emotionally distraught.

RK respects and cares about Padmini *now*. So he accepted the slap from her.

He went to touch Shamsher's and Padmini's feet of his own volition.

But at the celebration party, he touched Radha's feet only at Madhu's urging.

Radha - even with RK being cold and distant to her - goes around introducing Kukku to people as Rishabh's *father*, not his stepfather or her husband.

One can well figure out just how often she must have forced her wrong POV and easily manipulated understanding of who is actually right or wrong onto Rishabh *until* he grew up out of childhood and her and Kukku's authority.

Radha had authority on her son, and misused it for wretches like Kukku and Sikki.

Even now, if they say RK is wrong, she believes it but feels constrained by his coldness against reacting extremely except rarely.

But as long as he accepted her maternal authority, she must have not felt any constraint in forcing his new 'father' and 'elder brother' down his throat.

Even now, she doesn't just want her son loving her again.

She wants him the way he used to be - adoring her, accepting her authority and respecting her opinions trustingly.

But she doesn't understand that his respect for her was shredded by her own behaviour.

Madhu does so much for her, but Radha doesn't even acknowledge it.

Radha - and everyone else - had *seen* that RK had first extended the piece of cake to Madhu.

RK fed Radha the first piece of cake because of Madhu, but Radha talked of it as if it was his first choice.

Let alone thanking Madhu, Radha didn't even acknowledge to Madhu that RK had given her that public honour at Madhu's request.

Even the specialist RK arranged for Radha, Radha told Dipali. She only told Madhu when Madhu asked.

Radha tells Madhu what Radha wants - for Radha's happiness, Radha's expectations.

But thanks?

The woman has never shown even an inkling of hesitation or gratitude towards her son for financing for years - for Radha's sake - not necessities or comforts but outright extravagant *luxury* for three people he doesn't consider his family.

Whenever Radha takes the trouble of softly, lovingly, tearfully thanking Madhu, it's always a prelude to another 'request'.

If she ever gets everything she wants from Madhu's efforts, Madhu will never even be acknowledged for it.

Right now, Madhu is special to Radha because she is the person Radha looks to for accomplishing Radha's union with once-again-respectful-and-obedient-son Rishabh.

Once utility is done, Madhu will be completely demoted to being merely juniormost member of Radha's family, ranking *after* Kukku, Sikki, Rishabh and Dipali.

Madhu will remain fondly cared for, of course - as much as the other three Bhatias - but with nothing special that she can accomplish further *for* Radha, and therefore no longer more important.

Radha wants to be respected, loved and looked up to. She does not want to have to work at deserving any of it.

I can't compare Radha to Padmini. I can't place her within horizon-fathoms of the same league.

RK has a good understanding of who deserves respect because he does not just see the surface tale.😊

Madhu is still naive and innocent enough that if the person talking to her is nice and truly believes something is the truth, she'll believe that POV without thinking or verifying unless other facts are presented.😳

Her husband's silence is working to her mother-in-law's advantage.

It's only the Lord's sterling record at somehow twisting every disadvantage and misfortune to the couple's benefit that weighs heavily and overwhelmingly - and quite adequately - against the sweetly lovingly selfish Radha, as well as against the ever-expanding roster of the villains carnival.😳😃

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He He!!!!

The man is back with his dead cats!!! 🤣 🤣

For anyone who doesn't know what are dead cats ...it is the name given by Peach and followed by us to speak of his idiotic scarves !!! Chalo at least this time around it is Dec and January in Mumbai !!!
😆 😆

And two dogs were sent to the kennel !!!! 🤣

And for the new inductees, dog is name given by Peach for the Pillows in the bed.
I guess it will be called to bed again tomorrow. 😆


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It was a moment of reckoning for two important people of this story and the screenplay was effective.

The anguish in Padmini's cry was heart wrenching. Pallavi was brilliant in that scene. Though dramatic, the scene panned out pretty well.

RK has been wonderful in this track. Yes, he completely deserved the slap today… but Malik and Padmini had to find answers for their own selves today. May be the fear of having to lose a loved one makes you leave everything behind and get you act on your emotions. It was the same thing that happened with Madhu and RK. It was only when Madhu almost lost him… she left their painful history behind and RK fought his death to come back for her. It was realisation that RK was banking on. He has understood his inlaws well. He knew though both of them were spoken to, neither of them would talk about it to the other fearing the turbulence that would enter their lives. Another thing that worked out fine for Malik family (RK included) was that all the 5 of them were present and faced the issue on hand. I liked the way he spoke to Malik in the end not to let go of this opportunity and make this work. Good job RK, that family will love you for what you do for them… he handled Madhu and Malik, seems like his act has put Padmini on the path of realisation. Will he bother with Trishna or will Ballu be a catalyst there? Only time will tell.

My moment of the day was non verbal communication between Malik-Padmini after they returned. The way Padmini wanted to be left alone and siad the same to Trishna and looked at Malik for understanding/approval and Malik gave her that with faint smile before taking Trishna away. We speak about selfless love… but this man has lived his life not wanting anything from this woman… her happiness is all that mattered for him. If she wanted to be Padmini Chaudary, he will stand by her. If I have to think practically, I will never approve of it… if not for himself, he should atleast spoken to her about letting rid of her past in full. Anyways back to the present, the window scene was beautiful. Malik looked so lost sitting under the tree. The moment he saw her hurt, he stepped forward and retraced… that is so painful. And I am sure, this is not the only moment in his life he would have felt this helpless. I said it yday and I say it today… the purity of his love is in the fact that he didn't deny his emotions when RK was proclaimed that they are in love, he wanted to stop the discussion because Padmini was getting disturbed. Even in front of Padmini he didn't shy away… though he maintained his distance. I want to see who walks the distance. Will it be Malik? RK seems to egg him on not to let go of the only opportunity he might get. If Malik lets this one go by, the family will be shattered… things will never be normal… the only way this family can be one again is if they admit to their feelings and get married. This is aar ya par moment, will he be the hero again fight for both of them or he be a tragic hero and suffer in silence? Will Padmini break free from her past and allow herself to accept her love for Malik and give him her love and devotion that only he deserves? I love both scenarios… and I am glad this came up without Ballu's influence.

Coming to RK-Madhu… I simply loved RK hugging Madhu, it was assuring a lost kid that everything was fine.

What seemed absurd was Madhu crying over Radha's shoulders… she cried so bitterly because her husband got slapped?!?!? And not for the turmoil her parents are going through??? I have a problem with the way CVs are shaping Madhu's character. They have done a fantastic job with RK. The process of unveiling him, his growth as a character has been brilliant and captivating not to forget, entertaining. In comparison, Madhu's character graph has been on a plane and sometimes it dips. They have such a wonderful actor in Dhrasti, why not use her properly. This track has been a classic example of how Madhu's character has been botched up. There were so many moments where you felt that is the not the way to put things across...while the one who is know to be brash displayed remarkable maturity. I have no problem if she cried over her husband being slapped… but it should have been more for the reason that he didn't mind, infact he was ready to be slapped more for the agony he put them through. She should have cried for a man who cares not only for her but her family, a man who saw fought her and her parents to make her parent's relationship more meaningful. She should have cried for being in love with such a wonderful man... put they made her cry for her husband being slapped!!! They are turning (if they already haven't) Madhu into a run off the mill indian daily soap heroine… Disappointing!

The last scene was beautiful yet again. 'Koshish na karne ki maafi nahi hoti' was one of the most sensible lines I have heard from RK. He really wants this relationship to work… the way he talks about the beauty of Malik-Padmini's relationship, it is almost as if he idolises it… and by giving it a name of marriage, he wants to complete it. The success of this relationship will restore his confidence in relationship.

Coming to the most anticipated moment…the nafrat ki dewar is brought down. He put it up between the two… so he had to bring it down. Loved the way he stretched his hand to offer comfort to his wife and who willingly took it.

Precap – No surprises from Ballu… He wasn't going to let Trishna walk away and Trishna had to agree to keep her mom away. I guess now Trishna will be fine with Malik-Padmini's marriage because of the impending danger... but i wish she also sees what Madhu and RK see in Malik-Padmini now.

All in all a good episode. Kudos to the team of Madhubala... Just work on Madhubala, the character.

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Today's episode was totally in sync with where they are headed and I presume it would culminate in Malik/Padmini wedding. I like the fact that the supporting cast is also coming into play with CVs focusing on their characters as opposed to just making the leads shoulder the entire responsibility of keeping the viewers entertained without resulting in boredom. I don't know about others but I for one am all up for this track where I see a tremendous growth happening in the characters of Malik and Padmini with more room for enhancements/future growth.


Wow! Poor RK he has received slaps from both mother and daughter and I was hoping that he would say something on the lines of like mother like daughter and now he knows where Madhu gets her anger and attitude to slap. I am against slapping people whether it is Madhu slapping RK or Padmini slapping RK. I think words can do much damage than physically hurting or slapping someone. I guess in the heat of the moment, Padmini had an emotional outburst leading her to slap him to get her point across and the point being that you don't play a prank involving someone's life. I am pretty sure that she will be remorseful at a later time for what she had done when she realizes what RK did was for her family's own good. I personally thought that RK was actually expecting a harsh treatment like this from Padmini knowing fully well that she is a righteous person and would not tolerate a silly act like this. It seemed that he was prepared and hence his statement about asking her to slap him few more times to get it all out of her system and then think rationally. He seemed to have connected to Madhu's family at a level that he will never be when it comes to his own mother. We can sense his feeling of being proud to be a part of her family and wanting to see that family experience their share of happiness and peace which is in stark contrast to what he thinks or wants for his family.


Malik has already admitted that RK's intentions are good but to him RK's good intentions don't mean anything when it turns out to be detrimental to their delciate and sensitive relationship. I loved the questions that RK posed to Malik knowing fully well that the answers to his questions would be in his favor and all he wanted was for Padmini to hear that. There is no denying the fact that there is more to their relationship than respect and care. I don't think Malik is fighting back his feelings of love for Padmini as opposed to her who is having a hard time coming to terms with what she feels for him. All Malik is doing at the moment is giving Padmini some space to think about it and make the decision on her own. He is more concerned for her because he does not want her to get hurt or feel pressured/cornered during the process of realizing her feelings for him. He is truly a great guy and I don't think it would take longer for Padmini to realize that and that's exactly what RK was banking on when he told that he wants to finish this conversation during their wedding ceremony. You know I was amazed to hear RK say that he knows the value and and understands the sanctity of marriage. This coming from a guy who made a total mockery out of his marriage to Madhu with 4 pheras and publicly humiliating her in front of the entire world. I was expecting that Trishna would say something on the lines of how would he know about marriage and its sacredness when he had made a total mockery out of it. It would have been nice if she had questioned him and if he had explained it to her as to how even a haphazard marriage of his had brought changes in his life and reformed him to be the man he is standing in front of them.


Trishna asking him to back away from her parents' lives was understandable. RK's response to that was perfect when he said that she is not the right person to talk about hurting people or breaking people's hearts. He said that the decision is to be made by Malik and Padmini only and not anyone else. I am not a big fan of this girl but did anyone even consider involving her in this huge life changing event? Just like Madhu, she is also Malik and Padmini's daughter so why wasn't she involved? I know that Madhu and Trishna are not in talking terms and even if RK approached her she would not heed him. Malik could have contacted her but I guess she turned her phone off and Padmini was too embarrassed to talk about this to anyone. Chalo! now everything is out in the open and my only hope is that Trishna looks at the bigger picture which is the happiness of her parents as opposed to making this into a Madhu versus her fight and accusing them of having Madhu as their favorite daughter who gets to make all the decisions in their lives.


When is Madhu ever going to learn that she does not have to say everything that goes on between them to Radha. If she does decide to tell her then she should atleast clearly explain the turn of events as opposed to just saying that her mom slapped RK. No one can make heads or tails out of that statement of hers. Radha is already a dunce and how can we expect her to act smart after hearing a statement like above? I would be confused too without knowing what let Padmini to slap him and most importantly what did he do to make her go that extent.


It was adorable to see how far along RK and Madhu have come and how their relationship has taken a sweet turn from being bitter and filled with hatred while he removed a couple of pillows to get a good view of her face sensing her restlessness and was extending his hand to offer comfort by saying that her parents are perfect for each other and they know how to make it work. His statements about her parents being superstars and their love story will be a super hit was of course filmy but it was spot on and true to his character.


Precap is where we got to see the relentless Ballu pursuing Trishna and forcing her to say yes to his movie project. I guess just to keep him away from Padmini she would agree to the proposal. We already saw yesterday the mother/daughter bonding between Padmini and Trishna and Padmini has done her part so far by protecting Trishna from Ballu by taking her away from him and now Trishna would become that daughter who puts her life in danger to guard her mother. There is no doubt she would do anything for her mother just like Padmini had done for her twenty years ago without any second thoughts.
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@Shri - Regarding scarves, there were posts in main forum that people were missing his scarves😆. I for one am not a big fan of scarves just like you. But he wore a white T and denim pants, I would have preferred a full sleeve white button down shirt instead of a full sleeve T with no scarf. I guess it would look plain and simple for a superstar with a T and a denim pant without the scarf and hence they had to accessorize it with a scarf 😕. I liked his outfit of white shirt/blue denim pants that he wore on the day he had to go to the police station to rescue Malik 😃
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Wow ! I had a hearty laughter at the drama today. I know @real; other viewers sitting with me would have been irritated at my laughing at the Malik ... Padmini ...Malik ...Padmini yells...the closeness and then the thappad...It was supposed to be a serious drama and I was laughing.

Anyways, they tried to make the episode a masaaledaar one. And the dramatics used that entertained me were:
  1. the wild cat aka the scarf around the neck is back
  2. Trishna got spat at. Forgive my language! but ek bigda hua doosri bigdi hui ki acchi class le li. Didn't you all enjoy ?
  3. They gave a Rishbala hug for viewers...I did not care much for this one
  4. Radha the Gate-keeper :) She was doing her honest duty there. Feeling sleepy and yet keeping her watch.
  5. the two dogs being sent to the kennel.
Will give a B+

Now serious analysis
The Prank
Loved the drama. Needed drama. The whole family got played upon by RK. Each of teh two daughters accompanying the parent to witness the drama of love coming out in the open. RK was lucky to have Trishna sitting at home when he played the prank. The prank was answered by a slap by Padmini. Very normal reaction there. And RK apologizes profusely to Padmini for his prank. What was more interesting is RK then finishing his part of the drama to make his saasuma and sasurjee realize that he did what they should have done long time back. He unabashedly tells them that "had not I played the prank you would never have told each other what conspired today, what we spoke to you about today." He makes Shamsher answer his close looped questions which is pretty much like...oh! so why do you then crucify me for speaking out the truth. Both Padmini and Shamsher could not say anything.

The other dramas interesting to watch around the scene were
  • how both the daughters were surprised to see so much of overwhelming concern and love between their mother and father. They were taken aback at Padmini holding Shamsher quite closely and saying...I would have died had something happened to you...haha!!! the girls were like two kids...where did it come from ?
  • How RK was being pleaded by his Biwi and Sasurjee to keep quiet and he vehemently saying no...that today, the moment is not to stop it. All ganged up there. Loved it.
  • And how Trishna got verbal slap from RK. Oh! I loved it for the fact that ek bigda hua doosri bigdi hui ki acchi class le li. Didn't you all enjoy ? Loha hi loha ko kaata hai types. Do badtameez asking each other to stay away from their parents.
"Dil todna aur dil dukhane ki baaten tumhaare moonh se acchi nahin lagti. Tum in sab cheezon se doo raho to hi accha hai"

If this is going to be the jeeja-saali relationship between RK and Trishna, I am gonna enjoy it. 🤣 🤣

Roma's apt and interiors and the scenes
And finally they showed us how Roma's apt looks like. We got to see the interiors. Not bad!! Right ?? Nowadays the clunk from CVs is paying up...Used the flat to have Shamsher sit there on the chabootra (I could not see of which tree it was) right in front of Roma's chawl apt. So that a little more of Padmini and Shamsher is seen by us.

I won't blame Trishna's behaviour back in chawl. She is just being a possessive child, who doesn't want anything to happen to her mother, as she cannot lose her. So anything that makes her happy is fine by her, if that means bad mouthing her prank playing daamad or her muted second daughter. Whatever I am enjoying Trishna and her tantrums against RK and Madhu.
CVs please show some entertaining drama between Trishna and RK in the upcoming marriage ceremony sequences. If the two bigde hue take each other's class, it would look to me as at least some barriers being closed between the two and she too becomes part of RK's family. Trishna is being unnecessarily kept away from the family drama.


Faisle ki ghadi aa gayi (The moment has come to decide)
Padmini and Shamsher now neither seem to be embarrassed nor hesitant. They know. But for both of them its the time...the time is pressing upon them to decide. And more so on Padmini as Shamsher is going to be with her no matter what she decides. This was the Aww moment for me when it suddenly dawns on Padmini looking at Shamsher outside the window, him getting upto to come after her when the window pane hits her and how he stops himself.


The precap scene
Radha the Gate-keeper :) She was doing her honest duty there. Feeling sleepy and yet keeping her watch. Madhu blurted out that RK got slapped. From the precap scene, I could see that Padmini and Radhaji both were coming out of the temple together. So this means...Radhaji has a part to play in concvincing Padmini... have to wait and watch.

And finally the couple in Love
This was not at all forced to me. Each of them were seriously thinking of the day's events. And RK wanted to share his feelings with his wife. Starts chatting and she too responds. He is happy for the efforts made and believes that they will have success. And the talk just leads them on to empathize again about their relationship. The way they forget the rest of the drama and are again lost in each other, is what made it special for me...its like the goner moment. Its like now you cannot stop the two love birds. And gone are two dogs in between the two. 😆 The dogs might be wailing aloud!!! 😆
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