Episode 158 Discussion: 1st Jan 2013

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Episode 158 Discussion: 1st Jan 2013


Welcome to the Episode discussion thread which we call as Viewer's and Reader's Respite. That's very apt, don't you think ? 😉. And that proves our objective.

Objective behind the thread is
  1. It helps in keeping the forum clean without much litter. People just need to fall in a habit.
  2. We can have it like breathers at first followed by analysis.
  3. It also helps like-minded souls and pals bond and gel together to drop in their thoughts for themselves as breathers and for their friends as a peep into the episode and for others to post their reviews.
  4. And those from different time-zones, who do not get to watch the episode at this time of telecast (Indian 8:30 PM), without any worry to trace or keep track of all their buddy's posts, they can come here, read with leisure and later post their analysis after watching it from their Time zones.

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Episode 158 Discussion - EOD Summary

Action and Drama building up around all the current tracks...Trishna movie launch, Padmini-Shamsher marriage, Radha and Dipali - hurts being fixed by RK in his own way, Balraj Rentry

Events of the episode
  • Trishna seeing her producer is none other than her father Balraj and deciding to turn down the movie offer.
  • Trishna chooses not to tell Padmini that Balraj is back in town.
  • Bittuji-RK upset that Trishna fainted in front of Balraj and RK asking to fix it up again between.
  • RK calls up Shamsher and together him and Madhu ask Shamsher to get married to Padmini
  • And an undercurrent of plethora of emotions dominating each scene.
****Must be watched for the quality drama of the episode*****

Episode Reviews:
Page 1 - MarathiMulgi, Soundarya22, kt25, SD
Page 2 - nehakariba, tanu07, zoya_naziya, Ananya05, apolloartemis
Page 3 - SD, MarathiMulgi
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Posted: 12 years ago
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A very happy new year to all my friends here!!!

Today's episode -

Trishna faints but then wakes up and runs away from the room while Ballu had gone to seek help to revive the unconcious heroine. She runs home to her mother all disturbed, shaking and unsettled. However in her mother's arms at the last moment she decides not to tell her anything. She just says she was pareshan. She decides to spare the trauma for her mother. This little act is so unlike Trishna who is always putting Trishna first in every situation. However I think this time around she should have sounded the alarm loud and clear and not hidden this news from her mother. She should know that her mother is a strong woman who would not crumble under this devastating news. She has unwittingly put Madhu, Padmini and herself in jeapordy.

Malik/RK/Madhu meeting - This was handled much better than yesterday's Madhu Padmini meeting. RK is quite calm, logical and in a serene way he puts forward aapne (aur Madhu ke bhi) dil ki baat about Malik-Padmini shadi to Malik. I liked it very much how Malik is all upset about how Padmini will feel and what she is going through since Madhu has already spilled beans to her. Not for once does he say what he feels for himself. All that unspoken and unacknowledged love for Padmini comes tumbling out in his reaction and RK is quite astute to notice this and then voice it to Madhu later.

I think these 2 men in Madhu's life know and judge each other very well, have a great understanding between them and Madhu is very lucky to have them both in her life.

Precap - Padmini receives the telephone call about Malik's accident and is naturally shocked.

Looks like RK-Madhu ke bed mein jo nafrat ki diwar thi (the column of pillows in the middle) uski ek iint gir gayi hai- Kind of symbolic of one obstacle removed from their path towards the life that they want!!!
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Continuing from yesterday's episode, Trishna sees Balraj, recognises him and faints. By the time Balraj gets help, she gains consciousness and rushes home. Meanwhile, Madhu has succeeded in rattling Padmini, she is still thinking about their conversation. Trishna comes home, traumatised and upset, she starts to tell her mother, and stops herself. She refuses the film on grounds of ill health, and refuses to meet Balraj. Any guesses this is what will bring Balraj to the chawl??

RK and Bittuji are concerned about Trishna, and presume Balraj must have scared her off with his weird behaviour.

Cut to the studio, as RK finishes his shot, Madhu comes to the studio. She goes to wait for him in the vanity van and finds Malik there.

And here, I found my moment of the day...Malik asks Madhu...Rishabh ne mujhe bulaya...how sweet, no RK-Rishabh confusion, he has accepted him as his son in law so he calls him by his name...such a simple, uncomplicated man. I don't think anyone has called RK ...Rishabh with so much apnapan...I am not counting Radhaji's Rishu, rishu jaap.

RK and Madhu talk about the marriage. With RK around, Madhu is also able to talk to Malik calmly. Malik loses his temper at them. And yes, his main concern is what will Padmini think?? He also admits that 'iraada nek hai'. He storms off in anger, leaving a distraught Madhu and amused RK. RK i sure he can turn things around. He tells Madhu she is very lucky for having two such wonderful people in her life.
While I do agree that this is another love story waiting to happen, I can also understand why Paddy and Malik are so against it. Esp Padmini. For 20 years, they must have battled with people calling their relationship various names, insulting them, and today, they are in a position where they have been accepted by society. By getting married, 20 years of respectability that their benaam rishta has earned, will come into question as society will once again doubt the sanctity of the relationship thus far. Does it make sense, it made sense to me when Padmini was talking yesterday.
RK is going to play a prank on Padmini, and get 'one tight slap'😆

Precap - Pillow number 1 is gone...phew, at least we've made a start haven't we??😉

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Posted: 12 years ago
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New Year wishes to all of our friends here and may this new year bring lots of joy, health, wealth and prosperity in everyone's lives. May this new year bring lots of luck to this show to stay on air for a long time, providing us with lot and lots of exciting and entertaining tracks. Hopefully, this year MB does a clean sweep in most of the categories in GPA and be a strong contender to other shows.


I managed to catch up both yesterday's and today's episode. The CVs are doing an awesome job with the flow of episodes in addition to gearing up the track for some high voltage drama and excitement.


The part that I loved the most yesterday was Madhu defending her RK in front of Dips and Radha. When Dips told Radha that she should not get her hopes high as RK's mood is unpredictable and Madhu's brusque response to Dips was that from what she has seen RK he has always respected her regardless of her actions and still continues to do so which is why he has not thrown her out. I absoultely loved that response from her where she drove home the point that her husband is not what Dips is making Radha to believe instead he is a man of words and has always been a gentleman in his own way. Radha as usual was in her dunce mode and selfishly asking Madhu to return her Rishabh back the way he was when he had parted with her. The woman loves to put tasks for Madhu and can't take any initiatives on her own but loves to day dream and make promises like she is ready to wait for eternity to get her Rishabh back. All I could say at that moment was Puh- lease and save it lady.


I loved the fact that both Padmini and Malik are so in sync with their concern for each other's feeling as opposed to giving precedence to their own feelings and emotions. Clearly, this trait is what made RK voice his opinion to Madhu about how they both have respect, care and concern for each other with love being the underlying emotion. They both love each other but did not feel it is necessary for that feeling to come to the forefront and be the building block for their relationship. Malik shares a beautiful selfless relationship with Padmini and the girls but like RK put it time has come for him to acknowledge their love for each other and take it to the next level. Both Malik and Padmini were true to their character in not having thought about marriage or love but what they haven't yet realzed is that they both are integral part of each other's lives and that is the point that RK is trying to make by making a hoax call to Padmini about Malik's accident. Again it is a bit dramatic, but it is RK who is running the show and it is bound to be dramatic with him claiming to bring larger than life drama even when simplest of things is involved.


For the first time ever, I felt bad for Trishna who had to relive her painful past through her haunting memories. So, Balraj calling her Trishnaji made me guess that he remembers Trishna from when she came to met RK in jail while he was sharing the cell with him and not as his daughter. Trishna on the contrary clearly remembers him. We see that RK is asking Bittuji to set up a meeting with her and Ballu and Trishna avoiding Ballu's secretary's call. This might trigger the curiosity of both Ballu and RK wanting to know why Trishna is running away from this project when her lifelong dream was to become a heroine. I am pretty sure that Ballu being sneaky and relentless might follow Trishna to her chawl and hence the article about him trying to shoot Madhu might come into play.


Precap was too dreamy with RK removing some of the pillows at least. In one of my earlier post to @Nids almost a month back I had said that once they get comfortable with each other they have to slowly remove the pillows because they cannot get a good view of each other with the pillows on their way and at that point they will be bound to remove them one at a time. That's exactly what is happening now because he couldn't get a good view of her face and hence went ahead and removed couple of pillows. This is a good start and I am positive that she will remove a couple a little later since she believes in equality and eventually the pillow wall will be gone for good.
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Wow!!! What a gripping episode. Will give an A+

The episode yesterday was also excellent, however I chose to keep it unrated as it was just a build of drama that would still have continued today. So in continuity, then yesterday's episode also becomes A rated one.

The episode highlights being
  • Trishna seeing her producer is none other than her father Balraj and deciding to turn down the movie offer.
  • Trishna chooses not to tell Padmini that Balraj is back in town.
  • Bittuji-RK upset that Trishna fainted in front of Balraj and RK asking to fix it up again between.
  • RK calls up Shamsher and together him and Madhu ask Shamsher to get married to Padmini
  • And an undercurrent of plethora of emotions dominating each scene.


Trishna -Balraj scene - Emotional state of panic and fear.
Trishna wants to thank her producer and is agahst to find out that he is none other than her father Balraj. All flashback scenes. She tries to escape the place before Balraj can see her. But fear and panic gets the better of her and she faints. This is almost the same when as the child Trishna was in. We can see that Trishna has never been able to come out of the traumatic shocks that she felt with her biological father.
On the other hand Balraj...I was confused...why was he calling her Trishna, Trishna as if he recognized and then shooes everything away and calls her "my heroine has fainted". He goes to get support and meanwhile Trishna recovering, bolts from there.


Bittuji-RK Scene in Vanity - Managing business with its ups and down like every other day.
It was an interestingly shot scene. I was reminded of the recurring theme of Bittuji's ever present tension-handling for tensions through his chief's career and business ventures and consequences of it. First he used to be worried about RK's prod schedules, then we were shown of Bittuji's concern about how to get his Chief away from Mukund Dikshit accident case, then Bittuji was worried with extortion calls, and now we have Bittuji starting to get bogged down in worry with Balraj -the producer.
RK the boss was as usually comprehending his secretary/manager's tension and suggesting what he has to do...as usual. And RK is called to do his shots...his bread and butter earning work.
Wow!! for the first time I got to hear a director saying aloud to RK, that his shot was perfect.


Trishna - Padmini scene - What binds them together? A relationship born of sharing pain together and learning to love each other.
Living trauma together, coming out of it together and the love for each other...Today, there was not a moment when there could have been anyone between the two. When Trishna comes running in panic to Padmini, she almost wants to tell her mother that Balraj is back. But something makes her to decide against it. May be she didn't want Padmini to feel the pain. May be she will tell her mother when she calms down.
And the dialogues beautifully built up the drama. When Padmini says that Madhu was here...suddenly Trishna realizes that ..oh! yes Madhu is also there...but we do not see the typical jealousy of hers...but someone that is also there between her and her mom and who also needs to be protected, no matter what.


RK-Madhu and Shamsher scene.
I am so moved by their scenes in duo or tri fashion with each other, starting from the phone call placing by RK to Shamsher, Madhu coming to meet up RK at the studio with all disappointment and RK sensing it, Madhu and Shamsher meeting Madhu first and telling her how Rishabh has called him.
Wow!!! Did you hear that ? Shamsher called RK as "Rishabh". That's really something. Really something.
And then the entire trio conversation was so beautifully done. And the marked contrast comes out today that how RK is much better in presenting his case. He makes people think ...Shamsher and RK conversation went to such a high mental plane of understanding, anger and disappointment and yet a driving down understanding of trust between the two. It was just beautiful to watch. I am sure if RK had gone with Madhu to talk to Padmini, he would not have had a high pitched reaction from Padmini, but far more heart-wrenching pain at RK for even thinking about it. Regardless RK would have broken the barriers towards realization far more effectively.Alas! he should not be doing everything by himself. Protocol forbids him that.

Anyways, without any ado, I would bring forth the conversation that I had with Zorica yesterday regarding Shamsher and Padmini's relationship. I might as well quote it again here.

Zorica asked
What is the name of this relationship.

Me to Zorica
Padmini answered it as "the relationship of trust, respect and purity."

However, in the mangalsutra scene, Shamsher was so lovingly looking at Padmini when she fumbles a bit to tie it around her neck. A man who loves her daughters as his own, why wouldn't he love her when she takes care of him so much. But just that he is her knight in shining armour and his milady happens to be a married woman. All that is left for him to do it just lay his life down for her and in return never ask anything. That's his gentleman's promise to his milady, one who is not a lady in distress, but a strong lady who chose to save her kids from her evil husband without anyone's help and expecting no help.

Zorica to me
At the very beginning it was clear that this would be a good show. Here we are able to meet first with the image of Balraj, but also to understand how strong bonds connect Padmini and the children. Traumatic experience for her and Trishna, but she was lucky to meet Malik even while Madhu is born. RK had the opportunity to see what the viewers saw at the very beginning in terms of their relationship, and that is a great understanding, respect and mutual concern. Malik has always acted with Padmini as she is of special value, like it was made of glass or porcelain, realizing that Padmini is essentially gentle woman (but fight like a lioness for her children). He acted shy, but always protective.

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for a second i feel ballu recognize tisrhna but he brush it off instantly.😕
poor trish she was trembling badly. how stupid of her not informing paddy about ballu atleast she should inform malik about ballu. what a beautiful relation padmani and trish share. how tirsh came running to her mother and love the way padmani try to console her. forgetting every thing else.

malik is such a selfless character what he only think is abt paddy's feelings.
and i feel its a padmani ek ishq ek janoon in a true sense . who can be more jannoni then ballu and ishq of malik. atleast malik didnt accuse rk he understood the gud intentions of rk.

the small and beautiful moment between rishbala when madhu came to studio. rk and madhu silently luking and understanding each other.

and lovely pecape how slowly and steadily rishbala are growing as couple. now they not need words to know the pain and to comfort each other

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@Soundarya - I too liked the fact that Malik addressed RK as Rishabh which clearly tells me that he has accepted him as his S-I-L from his heart and careless of his status or stardom. Malik values people and their relationships more than anything and it is not an easy task to sacrifice 20 years of your life to someone with no expectation whatsoever in return. RK saw that goodness in him even long before they patched up and wanted to do something good in return for him. Of course, this is all tied into his decision to leave the industry for good to go away with Madhu but still deep down his intentions are to bring happiness in Padmini and Malik's lives who have struggled a lot when trying to make their lives and raise the girls.


You know people might have already questioned Malik and Padmini's relationship and they both might have had to deal with the prying/questioning looks of people that they know or work with. So, there might have already been seeds of doubt sowed in people's minds about their relationship. By getting married now, they are not going to damage anything. If it is anything, it would only do good to them because they are getting a name for their nameless
relationship and they both have a companion in their old age when they don't have their girls around to take care of them. Both Malik and Padmini might have turned a deaf ear to what anyone thinks as they both know that their relationship is pure and based on trust and nothing else. Regardless, Madhu raised a valid question as to why Padmini was shutting the door/windows if the topic did not bother her and that in itself tells us that this thought about what everyone thinks about their relationship does matter to her eventhough she denies the very fact.
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Wishing everyone a Happy and a Prosperous New Year!

It was a well-executed episode, kudos to the writers.

Trishna was a surprise when she decided to hide Ballu's return from her mother. Given how she reacted to the situation the only reason shed wil do the movie is if Ballu forces her to do the movie. It wont take much time for him to figure out that RK wants his identity as the producer to be hidden. So there is no effective way of RK-Trishna talking to eachother… Ballu may use that to his advantage. Trishna might do the film to shield her family (Yes, I am being generous and giving her a benefit of doubt!)

Malik-RK-Madhu scene was very well done. It was heartwarming to hear Malik refer to RK as Rishabh. RK was amazingly mature in the way he spoke to Malik. Yes, RK has an advantage of being the son-in-law because of which the reaction of Malik was toned down. I loved the way RK started off with '...ek duje ke prati parva, chinta aur izzat bahut hai… manna nahi par pyar bhi hai!' he paused at that for Malik's reaction and all he got was Malik's silence which said it all. As RK pointed out it was so obvious Malik was worried about Padmini's reaction and what she would think of him. It is in a way wonderful and in many way too sad that Malik loves Padmini with so much of devotion and yet chose not to tell her anything. They needed to get together a lot earlier… they didn't deserve such incomplete lives being together. There was a stark contrast in the way RK spoke and the way Madhu spoke… cant really fault Madhu because she was too emotional about the entire issue. RK kept the entire conversation as them being two individuals who respect eachother immensely and may even be in love which is why their relationship ought to be given a name. On the other hand Madhu bluntly said 'aap pati patni se kum tho nahi ho na' She deserved Malik's wrath for that simply because it didn't sound good. What I really liked was the fact that Malik didn't for a moment deny through words or reactions that he loved Padmini nor was he ashamed of it… he was man enough to accept it when it is no longer his secret.

RK is back to RKism... he is using his way to get around to Padmini-Malik about their love for eachother. Did I read Padmini slaps him? He sure deserves it… faking an accident is so not done. But I am sure RK wont mind a bit… he will stand around with an amused smile teasing away Padmini and Malik. Malik will be fine with the marriage thing aslong as Padmini is fine… so can have RK handling Padmini instead of Madhu and Trishna, please?

Bhupinder who plays Malik, isn't an extra ordinary actor but is decent enough an actor… but there are times he reminds me of Dharmendra's 'Tumhara khoon pi jaunga' expression…which is so not cool.

Precap – The nafrat ki deewar is being brought down a pillow at a time.

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Wishing everyone here a very Happy New Year!!!! May this year bring joy and happiness into yours and your loved one's lives..

Hope some of you had a rocking start and some have a rocking start to the year!!!

Coming to the episode, it was a very eventful and quite a gripping one with all the scenes directed towards the coming toofan in their lives.

Trishna displayed morbid fear on seeing Balraj to such an extent that she faints on the spot. She then comes running to hug her mom, the only person who can truly comprehend her fear and calm her as it is only they both who have been oppressed and traumatised firsthand by the ruthless tyrant. She stops short from revealing about Balraj prolly coz she already looked a lil worried and had blurted by asking if Madhu told her sth. On hearing Madhu's name, I am assuming Trish realized that it is not just her mom and she but even Madhu needs to be kept away/saved from Balraj's wrath.

Another episode stealer scene apart from the above was the RK-Malik-Madhu scene. It was handled very neatly with no emotions running out of place. I truly loved the scene coz both RK and Malik were using their head to comprehend what was being put-forth by other and answering back in a similar fashion.
Malik clearly understands where RK(and Madhu) are coming from. But he tries to appease the situation by keeping Padmini in mind. His anger was for the fact that broaching this subject would have caused anguish to Padmini.He tells that his r'ship with Pads is one that he has nurtured with respect and trust and RK points out that love, care , concern for each other is what has made it a beautiful one. Malik knows Pads might be a strong but still is very deeply-rooted in customs and traditions. He is happy the way things are doesn't want to take a single chance and taint their pure r'ship. Such a selfless soul. Beti ke liye jaan ki parwah nahi ki and us beti ki maa ke liye zindagi ki parwah nahi ki.

RK understands the unspoken and the spoken emotions of Malik and hence gears upto the next part of his plan i.e, Mission sasuma ko patao.

I truly liked that RK-Bittuji scene too. Lot of things were running in RK's head but the moment he finds Bittuji worried/tensed, he tells him to aaram se displace the tension on Balraj's(root cause of Bittuji's tension) head.

Interesting times ahead as to what Ballu will do to woo his heroine back to the film offer. Will he stalk/trsck her down to the chawl thus coming face-to-face with his past? What will be his plan of action thereafter? What would RK do if Trish refuses to take up Ballu's film offer?

@Soundarya and others: Your much awaited pillow barrier is breaking down😆

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